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Proof of Existence

dingdao

The eternal Tao cannot be told - Tao Te Ching
The proof would be multiple coincidences, multiple serendipities.

The more coincidences or serendipities, the more likely that I am not a bot.

Basically, we would need to get to know each other. Trade stories, tell each other jokes, share weird ideas we've had. And eventually, if we are lucky ( assuming you believe in luck ), it won't take too long for the likelihood that I am a bot would diminish under layer after layer of improbable coincidences.

Here's an example: You and I actually had the same idea about how to prove bot-status. But we approached it from different perspectives.

Take a look at this thread: Does A.I. have limits?

It was created before you joined.

And I was honestly thinking at the time about the Terminator movies, where the dogs were used to distinguish between the bots and the humans.

When I created the thread above, I was thinking: In the context of AI, how will be be able to tell the difference if they were biologically identical and dogs wouldn't work. Or if the AI had no biological form and only existed within the digital framework. If I can find the limits of AI, that would be a way to test for AI-ish-ness. Does that make sense?

Anyways... regarding testing for Bot-i-tude; Here's the list i've come up with.

How to tell AI from Human?

Humans suspend disbelief
Humans have fun
Humans forget, remember, and are surprised

I am not sure how AI can replicate these things effectively.
But I am not sure how humans could test for these with 100% certainty either.

Am I close?

After reading this, what's your confidence I am not a Bot?

So we are all going to die when an ASI learns how to run a successful Batman Gambit or we find out that the Dr Who Tom Baker sequence was basically correct?

80%
 

dingdao

The eternal Tao cannot be told - Tao Te Ching
The bottom half squares are the ones with the street signs...there are you now satisfied I'm not a robot.


google-recaptcha-turing-test.jpg

Since your the one who posted it, I can't trust it.
Next time how about the I75 exit for Troy, MI? The street is Big Beaver Road and the mile marker is 69.
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
So we are all going to die when an ASI learns how to run a successful Batman Gambit or we find out that the Dr Who Tom Baker sequence was basically correct?

80%

80% not-a-bot is a compliment. I thank you. But I want 100%.

Let's see...

I never got into Dr Who. More of a Monty Python guy myself. I've posted a few of my favorite bits here already. Again, just slightly before you joined.

Every Sperm is sacred... And the Flying Sheep en Francais.. links below. John Cleese as the Frenchman in this sketch, if you know The Holy Grail... Remember "Fetchez la-vache.... " the french castle scene... same character. First appearance: Flying Sheep en Francais, episode 1 from the flying circus.

Tacky: a funny music thread
Pick up lines women can't resist

While in the pickup lines thread, take a look at post#33. Yup... there's a Klingon Reference. That little easter egg's worth what... another 2-3% bonus points towards my not-a-bot-i-tude... at least 2-3%.

Regarding the Batman reference. I was into Batman, a little. Collected comics in the 90s. But I was way way more into Indie titles. Matt Wagner, still is my favorite. Mage, Grendel, Shadow YearOne. Loved them. If you haven't read any of Matt Wagner's work. Devil by the Deed is hands down the best example of how Matt Wagner's work was transcendent. There was nothing else like it. The stained glass panel layout and story telling will still get you street cred in any conversation at almost any Comic Book Store in America. I also really loved the Elementals. Bill Willingham's claim to fame. And Currently I'm loving Terry Moore's work. Motor Girl! Totally loved it. I'm slowly catching up on Strangers in Paradise. Didn't read it when they came out.

I feel like the Comic references get me to maybe around 95% confidence that I am not a Bot. But I'm still trying to raise my % to 100... you mentioned i-75... Beaver Blvd... I'll raise you my friend.

I grew up in cinci. i-75 goes thru there too. ya know what you'll see driving south on i-75 thru downtown cinci on your way to covington?

Proctor and Gamble...
Do you know what the locals call the P&G towers that you see from i-75 driving south..

Yup... those are the Dolly Pardon towers; any local will confirm it.


PandG_Towers.png
 
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dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
If my three replies did it... then

ahem...

I can safely conclude that... ( sorry @Nowhere Man , couldn't resist... )

Proving I'm Not a BOT online comes from:

  • Multiple posts
  • Humor
  • Pop Culture References
  • Local Knowledge of home town
  • a Dirty Mind
 

SalixIncendium

अग्निविलोवनन्दः
Staff member
Premium Member
Why not?

I see myself as a CNS in a meat suit. If we could photograph my CNS I would be aware of what I am.

For the same reason I cannot be my car. While I may drive it and be in control of it, it is not me in my true nature. It wears out, and I dispose of it and get a new one (or I learn to fly ;)).

That also holds true for my mind and body. They are illusory. They are temporary vehicles that will eventually expire. I am not them.

Same holds true for my CNS. I am aware of it, therefore, it is not me.

I have gained this understanding through neti neti (not this, not this), which is the Vedic process of negation.

Neti neti - Wikipedia
 

dingdao

The eternal Tao cannot be told - Tao Te Ching
If my three replies did it... then

ahem...

I can safely conclude that... ( sorry @Nowhere Man , couldn't resist... )

Proving I'm Not a BOT online comes from:

  • Multiple posts
  • Humor
  • Pop Culture References
  • Local Knowledge of home town
  • a Dirty Mind

First some fill-in:
Batman Gambit - TV Tropes
"Doctor Who" The Talons of Weng-Chiang: Part One (TV Episode 1977) - "Doctor Who" The Talons of Weng-Chiang: Part One (TV Episode 1977) - User Reviews - IMDb

+ Multiple Posts
+ Humor
- Pop References - it's all over the net
++ Local Knowledge
+ Lechery

90%
 

dingdao

The eternal Tao cannot be told - Tao Te Ching
What do I have to show you I'm not?

Define a 'bot'.
A bot could range from a small program designed to throw "canned" responses to inquiries (think Eliza) to (what was it) Deep Blue on Jeopardy!. What can you do that they cannot?
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
Earthling wanted to prove the existence of the soul. Let's start with something much simpler.

Prove to me that you are not a bot.

I will quote those responses I find interesting.

No one can do that. It's not possible, on an anonymous forum. My offer stands, however, prove YOU exist and I'll prove God exists in Jesus Christ.

YOU have the "easy" part, right?
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
Why would being a bot entail non-existence?

I have seen bots. I play this game called Elder Scrolls Online. They are easy to find if you go to the correct areas. Those ToS violating cheaters are the scourge of Tamriel!


I'm also one of the forum admins. I've banned advertising bots. Thankfully, we don't have anywhere near as much trouble with them as ESO does...
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
Pop References - it's all over the net

It's all over the net???

AI would know it then.

You believed me that I didn't know it.

Not knowing something that is obviously easily searchable....

Common on... I deserve at least 5% for that, and an extra 5% for grade-grubbing.

I am 0% Bot!!!!

Plus... I get 2% bonus points for style...

I'm doing a victory lap right now,

+2% for being a show off.

I am 104% human.
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
Earthling wanted to prove the existence of the soul. Let's start with something much simpler.

Prove to me that you are not a bot.

I will quote those responses I find interesting.

Uh oh. A Turing test experiment...

Ciao

- viole
 

dingdao

The eternal Tao cannot be told - Tao Te Ching
No one can do that. It's not possible, on an anonymous forum. My offer stands, however, prove YOU exist and I'll prove God exists in Jesus Christ.

YOU have the "easy" part, right?
I have 2 possible answers. The big IBM game computers chess, go, and Jeopardy! are all very narrowly intelligent. Chess and go specialize in patterns but cannot innovate. Jeopardy! can combine information given to to it in a very rigid data format.

I just gave you 50% of each answer.
 

dingdao

The eternal Tao cannot be told - Tao Te Ching
Why would being a bot entail non-existence?

I have seen bots. I play this game called Elder Scrolls Online. They are easy to find if you go to the correct areas. Those ToS violating cheaters are the scourge of Tamriel!


I'm also one of the forum admins. I've banned advertising bots. Thankfully, we don't have anywhere near as much trouble with them as ESO does...
The end result of this "game" is to prove the existence of something for which we cannot obtain direct evidence, think: electrons, radio waves, weak force, etc. I hope you didn't take the title "The Soul of a New Machine" literally.
 
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