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Our Father

TransmutingSoul

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to understand something you have to know it for yourself.



Psalm 24:7
Lift up your heads, O ye gates; and be ye lift up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in.

doors are gateways and gateways are doors.

Revelation 3:20
Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.


he's implying somthing about all and not something exclusive to a jesus.

Each Manifestation of God has a 'Gate' who is the Elijah that always comes first.

In this age it was the Bab (Gate) for Baha'u'llah. (Glory of the Lord). The Bab also had a Gate, his first Disciple Mullá Husayn.

Báb - Wikipedia

The Bab was the Gate that was to usher in the end of the age of prophecy, to which Muhammad was the seal of the prophets.

Baha'ullah is the 'Father'. God is above all names and titles.

Regards Tony
 
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TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
If Jesus IS the gate for Christians, this would explain all the laws from the OT that are determined to be unnessessary by people when they pray in Jesus' name.

John was the Gate the Elijah that always comes first.

Regards Tony
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
knowledge, chokmah, is like the seed that a sower sows
A very gentle clarification. When i was speaking about my perception of knowledge, i was speaking about Da'at not Chokmah. A little lower in your reply, you have Wisdom connected to Chokmah. Maybe there was a mistype or something when you put together Knowledge and the word Chokmah?

But if you use the Da'at for knowledge, the idea of open and closed pronounciation makes more sense. If you use Chokmah for knowledge, we are basically speaking different languages and that would explain a lot about why we perceive knowledge and understanding so differently.
many people knew jesus but not everyone who knew him, understood what he was
I propose those who did not understand, maybe didn't know him very well. Maybe they only knew of him. Or maybe what they knew was incomplete. The difference would be between being familiar with someone and really knowing them. Again i perceive knowledge as deep, intimate, and static.

Heres the strong's index links for Chokmah, Binah, and Daath, ( Wisdom, Understanding, Knowledge) in case it's helpful for people who are less familiar with these words.

Strong's Hebrew: 2451. חָכְמָה (chokmah) -- wisdom
Strong's Hebrew: 999. בִּינָה (binah) -- an understanding
Strong's Hebrew: 1847. דָּ֫עַת (daath) -- knowledge
Why are you so fearful of staring Father straight in the eyes: I have been doing that for the better part of 20 years and He sure does not bite.
I think the simplest answer is you are you and you are special. Different is not always deficient.
 
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Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
A very gentle clarification. When i was speaking about my perception of knowledge, i was speaking about Da'at not Chokmah. A little lower in your reply, you have Wisdom connected to Chokmah. Maybe there was a mistype or something when you put together Knowledge and the word Chokmah?

But if you use the Da'at for knowledge, the idea of open and closed pronounciation makes more sense. If you use Chokmah for knowledge, we are basically speaking different languages and that would explain a lot about why we perceive knowledge and understanding so differently.

I propose those who did not understand, maybe didn't know him very well. Maybe they only knew of him. Or maybe what they knew was incomplete. The difference would be between being familiar with someone and really knowing them. Again i perceive knowledge as deep, intimate, and static.

Heres the strong's index links for Chokmah, Binah, and Daath, ( Wisdom, Understanding, Knowledge) in case it's helpful for people who are less familiar with these words.

Strong's Hebrew: 2451. חָכְמָה (chokmah) -- wisdom
Strong's Hebrew: 999. בִּינָה (binah) -- an understanding
Strong's Hebrew: 1847. דָּ֫עַת (daath) -- knowledge

I think the simplest answer is you are you and you are special. Different is not always deficient.



Bindu (symbol) - Wikipedia


Bindu: Pinnacle of the Three Streams of Yoga Meditation, Vedanta, and Tantra


Edgar Cayce on the Book of Revelation
 
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Neuropteron

Active Member
Why do the majority of christians worship Jesus; if they are told to pray our Father by Jesus?



if jesus came forth from the Father and returns to the Father,

“I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.”

isn't that the same as

Ecclesiastes 12:7
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.



so why worship something that comes and goes, versus god which/who is eternal?

The question is valid.
One possible answer is something the apostle Peter wrote:

There are false prophets among the people, as there will also be false teachers among you. These will quietly bring in destructive sects, and they will even disown the owner who bought them...they will exploit you with counterfeit words, because of them the way of the truth will be spoken of abusively, but their destructin is not sleeping. (2 Pet 2)
 

InvestigateTruth

Well-Known Member
Why do the majority of christians worship Jesus; if they are told to pray our Father by Jesus?



if jesus came forth from the Father and returns to the Father,

“I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.”

isn't that the same as

Ecclesiastes 12:7
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.



so why worship something that comes and goes, versus god which/who is eternal?

Because no one has direct access to the Father who sent Jesus. But the Father dwelled in the Son. We worship the Father who dwelled in Christ.
 

ManSinha

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Because of John 14:6?
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me"
 

MJFlores

Well-Known Member
Why do the majority of christians worship Jesus; if they are told to pray our Father by Jesus?



if jesus came forth from the Father and returns to the Father,

“I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.”

isn't that the same as

Ecclesiastes 12:7
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.



so why worship something that comes and goes, versus god which/who is eternal?

Because:

Philippians 2:9-11 Contemporary English Version (CEV)

9 Then God gave Christ
the highest place
and honored his name
above all others.

10 So at the name of Jesus
everyone will bow down
,
those in heaven, on earth,
and under the earth.

11 And to the glory
of God the Father
everyone will openly agree,
“Jesus Christ is Lord!”

Not withstanding that the Lord Jesus Christ is a man and not God.
It is the order of God that the Lord Jesus Christ should be worshiped.
 

Shantanu

Well-Known Member
How, on earth, do you talk directly to Father???
I used a digital clock where sightings of the Number 7 (2.41, 3.31, 4.03, 5.20, 6.01, 7.00, 8.08, 9.07, 10.42, 11.23, etc) were messages from God - real ones!
 

Shantanu

Well-Known Member
that's a medium :)
He just would not come to me with concrete assistance to withstand persecution any more than I could muster for myself. I have therefore asked my guruji @Aupmanyav to guide me on the eternal question of whether I should take the step of starting to call myself an atheist because it is quite possible that I did not deserve His help or He had other ideas on how to manage the States that persecuted me. I am interested in not making excuses for Him because I sincerely approached Him for guidance and it proved futile as far as my personal life was concerned: I still have a life to lead. So this morning I inserted my signature as a Born Again Human Being, because I genuinely want to get on with my fellow human beings by putting this chapter of God-search behind me for what remains of my life. I want to be a good person.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
In this age it was the Bab (Gate) for Baha'u'llah. (Glory of the Lord). The Bab also had a Gate, his first Disciple Mullá Husayn.
Yes, Bab was the gate, Bahaullah entered and ex-communicated all the Babis. ;)
1 Corinthians 13:12
For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
Right, like we see the eclipse through a special glass. Jacob did what Moses could not (he only saw the hind part). Did Jacob describe what he saw? Did God have a white flowing beard as generally believed?
Bindu (symbol) -Wikipedia
A lot of hocus-pocus there and elsewhere.
These will quietly bring in destructive sects, ..
Historically we know which are the most destructive sects.
Because no one has direct access to the Father who sent Jesus.
Who was the father?
So at the name of Jesus everyone will bow down, those in heaven, on earth, and under the earth.
No, I have no need to bow down to anyone.

What all silly things you people write!
 
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Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Because:

Philippians 2:9-11 Contemporary English Version (CEV)

9 Then God gave Christ
the highest place
and honored his name
above all others.

10 So at the name of Jesus
everyone will bow down
,
those in heaven, on earth,
and under the earth.

11 And to the glory
of God the Father
everyone will openly agree,
“Jesus Christ is Lord!”

Not withstanding that the Lord Jesus Christ is a man and not God.
It is the order of God that the Lord Jesus Christ should be worshiped.


the name of christ? is god's name at exodus 3:14 and 3:15

it says everyone bows to the name, this wouldn't exclude jesus. you forget that jesus had to humble himself and become a servant to obtain. this is why god chooses pious men.


you failed to post philippians 2:13
For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

The lord is with you for a reason because he is within you. this is the reason that to serve all is to serve christ in all, or god in all.

reverence, or respect, is not idolatry
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Yes, Bab was the gate, Bahaullah entered and ex-communicated all the Babis. ;)

Many did not heed the warnings given by the Bab, they had personal agendas. luckily the majority did not and accepted Baha'u'llah as the "One who God made Manifest".

It is now all recorded history, what a time it was, the Father as promised by Christ, the 'Day of God' at the end of ages had come and the power was siezed from kings, rulers and priests. The old world order now crumbles, as a new world order rolls out in its stead.

Hope you are well and happy, regards Tony
 

MJFlores

Well-Known Member
the name of christ? is god's name at exodus 3:14 and 3:15

it says everyone bows to the name, this wouldn't exclude jesus. you forget that jesus had to humble himself and become a servant to obtain. this is why god chooses pious men.


you failed to post philippians 2:13
For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

The lord is with you for a reason because he is within you. this is the reason that to serve all is to serve christ in all, or god in all.

reverence, or respect, is not idolatry

You were asking why the Lord Jesus Christ should be worshiped, am I correct?

I gave you the reason and based from the Bible Philippians 2:

1. God gave the Lord Jesus a name which is above every name
2. God's order / command that the Lord Jesus is to be worshiped

Are these sufficient?
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
You were asking why the Lord Jesus Christ should be worshiped, am I correct?

I gave you the reason and based from the Bible Philippians 2:

1. God gave the Lord Jesus a name which is above every name
2. God's order / command that the Lord Jesus is to be worshiped

Are these sufficient?
the lord god gave 144,000 that name, to what created thing should a christian prostate itself.


the children take the father's name because the Spirit of God is their Father and they are to call no other by flesh, because the flesh counts for not.


Revelation 14:1
And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.


the children of god know their father.
 
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