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Did Christ Die For Nothing?

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I find the Bible to be true, reliable, authentic...
Contrary to your opinion, I find it is consistent, harmonious, historically inaccurate, testable.
All you have to do is Google for biblical errors, inaccuracies or contradictions and you'll get extensive lists.
I don't understand what you mean by it is not predictable.
Sorry :oops:. Mistyped. Read: "predictive."
The Bible is not a science, medical, school... textbook, but that doesn't make it any less important. In fact, it has practical guidelines, valuable information that helps millions live a meaningful, successful, and happy life.
I agree completely.
I'm not arguing it's not important or useful. Scriptures of all religions, as well as popular self help and philosophical books, help people live meaningful, happy lives.
What I'm arguing is that it's folklore, not fact.
I can tell you, not I alone, but millions of people testify to the fact that they are alive and well today, because of the Bible.
If that is not evidence that the Bible is testable with regard to it's power to have a positive effect on people's life, I don't know what is.
That's hearsay, plus millions of Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists, Mayans, &al can make the same claim for their religious scriptures.
What I'm questioning are the specific facts asserted in the book. Evidence of positive social results is not evidence of veracity.
You seem to want to get rid of the Bible. Is that the case? Why do you hate it so much? What do you have to say about the positive effects observed by people who are not Christian?
WHAT! :eek: Where are you getting this? Did you read anything I wrote?
The Bible is a Historical Treasure -- as are the Vedas or the Quran. Getting rid of it would be worse than the Taliban blowing up the Buddhas of Bamyan.
I acknowledge the positive effects, but what do they have to do with the tome's veracity? Lots of writings, sacred and secular, have positive effects.
Do you not welcome the use of a book that teaches person's how to live peaceably with their neighbor...
Of course I do -- and there are many such books.
Again, I'm not judging the Bible's utility, just its veracity.
I don't mean to blow a trumpet here, but you are asking for evidence,
However, it seems to me some people have created a worldview where they have closed their minds tight, so as to live in that world free from the one thing they hate most - and not realizing how damaging their worldview is to them.
But I'm not talking about worldviews. I'm talking about empirical truth. We're obviously arguing apples and air conditioners, here.

Again, I'm not arguing whether JW doctrine is pleasant, useful or therapeutic. I'm questioning its objective truthfulness.
The truth may be pleasant or unpleasant. comforting or frightening, but it's the reality we have to deal with. Believing a falling boulder is a ball of cotton won't change its effect when it lands on your head.
Not only that, I think the whole opposition to the Bible undermines positive effects on society, and is more a contribution to a corrupt society.
This is why they used to kill heretics; why Isabella drove the Jews and Muslims out of Spain; why the Saudis won't allow Christianity in Arabia.
I understand that religion - including "Christianity" which is probably the majority has played a role in the breakdown in society, but I blame this on their failure to live by what they claim to believe - which I don't believe they do. They neither live by the Bible, nor teach it, as far as I see.
Don't get me wrong. I've always admired JW's virtue and behavior; and their steadfastness -- especially in the face of adversity, is awesome. All I question is the objective veracity of the book on which you base your doctrines.


There is in my view, much evidence that the Bible is reliable, and actually more truthful than anything on this earth - including what men will tell you is true, and can't even show you it is true.
Respectfully, I maintain there is not.
I created a thread on here with much evidence for it's truthfulness.
Feel free to go through it, knock it, challenge it... I'd be happy for the challenge.
At a quick glance, it appears to be poorly reasoned, but I'll get back to it later.
Thread's too long. I'm going to take a break for a while.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
I've seen, on these forums, some say Christ died for nothing, because humankind still sin, suffer and die. Some have argued that if Christ really died for sins, then there should be no unforgivable sin.
I think these views are shortsighted, and clouded.
I suggest understanding what sin is, and how it is dealt with, is clearly explained by the apostle Paul in just a few Chapters containing his letters to the Christians in Rome.
The following points are mostly taken from Romans 5-8.

Sin is imperfection - missing the mark of God's righteous standards.
God's only begotten son was perfect, as he always sought to please his father. Not so with the angels that sinned. (1 Peter 2:22)

Adam and Eve sinned - they missed the mark of God's righteous standards, became imperfect (perfection is relative from the vantage point of the perfecter).
Sin involves wrong thinking, desires, and inclinations.
All persons born to Adam, inherited these - they were passed on from Adam's genes, including the defects acquired due to disobedience - that is, alienation from the life that belongs to God. (Ephesians 4:18) The body deteriorates until death.

Those who accept Christ, and live by his Law - by spirit, benefit from his ransom sacrifice, which allow them to have God's undeserved kindness, and forgiveness, and thus be acquitted of their sins, which are covered by Christ's blood. This does not undo the damage done by the sin of Adam, which we all inherit. That will occur during the millennial reign of Christ, when the resurrected are given new bodies, and those alive who survive the great tribulation, are repaired, healed completely of the damage caused by sin. From then on the process will proceed to reaching perfection - the point where Adam and Eve began, but beyond.

Sin and Imperfection would have been eradicated
. Any seed of imperfection that starts to grow, will immediately in a blink of an eye, be rooted out, and dissolved.
As the fairy tales go, "They lived happily perfectly ever after." ...but this is no fairy tale.
Christ did die for something - something of greater value than anything else.
This is what I find the scriptures say.
[GALLERY=media, 8859]In My Humble View (IMHV) by nPeace posted Feb 28, 2019 at 8:18 PM[/GALLERY]

Here's what you stated above
( and thus be acquitted of their sins, which are covered by Christ's blood. This does not undo the damage done by the sin of Adam, which we all inherit. That will occur during the millennial reign of Christ, when the resurrected are given new bodies

Can you show where in the book of Revelation where exactly is this stated in what Chapter and Verses?

You did say " That will occur during the millennial reign of Christ"

So where exactly is this stated at in what Chapter and Verses in Revelation.
That the resurrected are given new bodies.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
I've seen, on these forums, some say Christ died for nothing, because humankind still sin, suffer and die. Some have argued that if Christ really died for sins, then there should be no unforgivable sin.
I think these views are shortsighted, and clouded.
I suggest understanding what sin is, and how it is dealt with, is clearly explained by the apostle Paul in just a few Chapters containing his letters to the Christians in Rome.
The following points are mostly taken from Romans 5-8.

Sin is imperfection - missing the mark of God's righteous standards.
God's only begotten son was perfect, as he always sought to please his father. Not so with the angels that sinned. (1 Peter 2:22)

Adam and Eve sinned - they missed the mark of God's righteous standards, became imperfect (perfection is relative from the vantage point of the perfecter).
Sin involves wrong thinking, desires, and inclinations.
All persons born to Adam, inherited these - they were passed on from Adam's genes, including the defects acquired due to disobedience - that is, alienation from the life that belongs to God. (Ephesians 4:18) The body deteriorates until death.

Those who accept Christ, and live by his Law - by spirit, benefit from his ransom sacrifice, which allow them to have God's undeserved kindness, and forgiveness, and thus be acquitted of their sins, which are covered by Christ's blood. This does not undo the damage done by the sin of Adam, which we all inherit. That will occur during the millennial reign of Christ, when the resurrected are given new bodies, and those alive who survive the great tribulation, are repaired, healed completely of the damage caused by sin. From then on the process will proceed to reaching perfection - the point where Adam and Eve began, but beyond.

Sin and Imperfection would have been eradicated
. Any seed of imperfection that starts to grow, will immediately in a blink of an eye, be rooted out, and dissolved.
As the fairy tales go, "They lived happily perfectly ever after." ...but this is no fairy tale.
Christ did die for something - something of greater value than anything else.
This is what I find the scriptures say.
[GALLERY=media, 8859]In My Humble View (IMHV) by nPeace posted Feb 28, 2019 at 8:18 PM[/GALLERY]

Here's what you stated above
( and thus be acquitted of their sins, which are covered by Christ's blood. This does not undo the damage done by the sin of Adam, which we all inherit. That will occur during the millennial reign of Christ, when the resurrected are given new bodies

Can you show where in the book of Revelation where exactly is this stated in what Chapter and Verses?

You did say " That will occur during the millennial reign of Christ"

So where exactly is this stated at in what Chapter and Verses in Revelation.
That the resurrected are given new bodies.
during the millennial reign of Christ.
 

whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
I've seen, on these forums, some say Christ died for nothing, because humankind still sin, suffer and die. Some have argued that if Christ really died for sins, then there should be no unforgivable sin.
I think these views are shortsighted, and clouded.
I suggest understanding what sin is, and how it is dealt with, is clearly explained by the apostle Paul in just a few Chapters containing his letters to the Christians in Rome.
The following points are mostly taken from Romans 5-8.

Sin is imperfection - missing the mark of God's righteous standards.
God's only begotten son was perfect, as he always sought to please his father. Not so with the angels that sinned. (1 Peter 2:22)

Adam and Eve sinned - they missed the mark of God's righteous standards, became imperfect (perfection is relative from the vantage point of the perfecter).
Sin involves wrong thinking, desires, and inclinations.
All persons born to Adam, inherited these - they were passed on from Adam's genes, including the defects acquired due to disobedience - that is, alienation from the life that belongs to God. (Ephesians 4:18) The body deteriorates until death.

Those who accept Christ, and live by his Law - by spirit, benefit from his ransom sacrifice, which allow them to have God's undeserved kindness, and forgiveness, and thus be acquitted of their sins, which are covered by Christ's blood. This does not undo the damage done by the sin of Adam, which we all inherit. That will occur during the millennial reign of Christ, when the resurrected are given new bodies, and those alive who survive the great tribulation, are repaired, healed completely of the damage caused by sin. From then on the process will proceed to reaching perfection - the point where Adam and Eve began, but beyond.

Sin and Imperfection would have been eradicated
. Any seed of imperfection that starts to grow, will immediately in a blink of an eye, be rooted out, and dissolved.
As the fairy tales go, "They lived happily perfectly ever after." ...but this is no fairy tale.
Christ did die for something - something of greater value than anything else.
This is what I find the scriptures say.
[GALLERY=media, 8859]In My Humble View (IMHV) by nPeace posted Feb 28, 2019 at 8:18 PM[/GALLERY]

Since is not 'eradicated' until the resurrection but those who are redeemed are works in progress

The Super Epic Psalms: How the Longest Psalms Point to Jesus
 

lukethethird

unknown member
Did Christ Die For Nothing?

Not according to Matthew 27:51 At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split 52 and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53 They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and went into the holy city and appeared to many people.

That in itself was worth the price of admission.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
All you have to do is Google for biblical errors, inaccuracies or contradictions and you'll get extensive lists.
Why would I want to look at the confusion of poor confused souls? Do you think I am reading the Bible for the first time? Do you know how often I read and study the Bible throughout? It's not full of inaccuracies and contradictions. It is harmonious and accurate. I think I explained why there is confusion among the masses.

Sorry :oops:. Mistyped. Read: "predictive."
I agree completely.
I'm not arguing it's not important or useful. Scriptures of all religions, as well as popular self help and philosophical books, help people live meaningful, happy lives.
What? I'm shocked? :dizzy: Pleasantly so. :)

What I'm arguing is that it's folklore, not fact.
You can't prove that it is. In fact, there are ways to know if it is a fable or not, and based on what I have found, it does not seem to be the work of any bogus person(s).

That's hearsay, plus millions of Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists, Mayans, &al can make the same claim for their religious scriptures.
How is it hearsay? Please explain.
What a person claims, and what is evident are two different things. To deny clear evidence is to be closed minded. However, i have discovered that what me be evidence to one person, is not evidence to another. We all have our own sense or reason, and they differ.

What I'm questioning are the specific facts asserted in the book. Evidence of positive social results is not evidence of veracity.
WHAT! :eek: Where are you getting this? Did you read anything I wrote?
The Bible is a Historical Treasure -- as are the Vedas or the Quran. Getting rid of it would be worse than the Taliban blowing up the Buddhas of Bamyan.
I acknowledge the positive effects, but what do they have to do with the tome's veracity? Lots of writings, sacred and secular, have positive effects.
Glad to hear. I wanted to know your position, since it seemed to me you were against the Bible.
I did assume the worst though. Sorry. :blush:

Of course I do -- and there are many such books.
Again, I'm not judging the Bible's utility, just its veracity.

But I'm not talking about worldviews. I'm talking about empirical truth. We're obviously arguing apples and air conditioners, here.

Again, I'm not arguing whether JW doctrine is pleasant, useful or therapeutic. I'm questioning its objective truthfulness.

The truth may be pleasant or unpleasant. comforting or frightening, but it's the reality we have to deal with. Believing a falling boulder is a ball of cotton won't change its effect when it lands on your head.

This is why they used to kill heretics; why Isabella drove the Jews and Muslims out of Spain; why the Saudis won't allow Christianity in Arabia.

Don't get me wrong. I've always admired JW's virtue and behavior; and their steadfastness -- especially in the face of adversity, is awesome. All I question is the objective veracity of the book on which you base your doctrines.
Well now I am hearing something I didn't know before. It's surprising, but sounds good. :angry:
Only one thing is confusing me... Please tell me, what kind of facts are you looking for?

Respectfully, I maintain there is not.
For many, there is not. For many there is. How do we get the facts?

At a quick glance, it appears to be poorly reasoned, but I'll get back to it later.
Thread's too long. I'm going to take a break for a while.
I'll help you, so that you don't have to go through the entire post.
1, 2, 3, 4
If those are too long, here is just one page.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
Here's what you stated above
( and thus be acquitted of their sins, which are covered by Christ's blood. This does not undo the damage done by the sin of Adam, which we all inherit. That will occur during the millennial reign of Christ, when the resurrected are given new bodies

Can you show where in the book of Revelation where exactly is this stated in what Chapter and Verses?

You did say " That will occur during the millennial reign of Christ"

So where exactly is this stated at in what Chapter and Verses in Revelation.
That the resurrected are given new bodies.
One has to use a combination of scriptures, because while the scriptures details the heavenly resurrection in 1 Corinthians 15, it does not detail the earthly resurrected, which is different to the heavenly one - Revelation 20:6
However, it tells us... (1 Corinthians 15:35-40)
35 Nevertheless, someone will say: “How are the dead to be raised up? Yes, with what sort of body are they coming?” 36 You unreasonable person! What you sow is not made alive unless first it dies. 37 And as for what you sow, you sow, not the body that will develop, but just a bare grain, whether of wheat or of some other kind of seed; 38 but God gives it a body just as it has pleased him, and gives to each of the seeds its own body. 39Not all flesh is the same flesh, but there is one of mankind, there is another flesh of cattle, another flesh of birds, and another of fish. 40And there are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies; but the glory of the heavenly bodies is one sort, and that of the earthly bodies is a different sort.

The earthly resurrection separate from the heavenly, apparently is mentioned at Revelation 20:13, 14
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
One has to use a combination of scriptures, because while the scriptures details the heavenly resurrection in 1 Corinthians 15, it does not detail the earthly resurrected, which is different to the heavenly one - Revelation 20:6
However, it tells us... (1 Corinthians 15:35-40)
35 Nevertheless, someone will say: “How are the dead to be raised up? Yes, with what sort of body are they coming?” 36 You unreasonable person! What you sow is not made alive unless first it dies. 37 And as for what you sow, you sow, not the body that will develop, but just a bare grain, whether of wheat or of some other kind of seed; 38 but God gives it a body just as it has pleased him, and gives to each of the seeds its own body. 39Not all flesh is the same flesh, but there is one of mankind, there is another flesh of cattle, another flesh of birds, and another of fish. 40And there are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies; but the glory of the heavenly bodies is one sort, and that of the earthly bodies is a different sort.

The earthly resurrection separate from the heavenly, apparently is mentioned at Revelation 20:13, 14

In Revelation 20:13-14
13--"And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works"

Have you any idea what sea represents in Revelation. And Who is death according to the bible/scriptures. What is the name of death.
And who does the dead represents in the bible/ scriptures. So who's the Dead represents?

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Have you any idea what the second death represents in Revelation.
And who is death and what is the name of death according to the bible/scriptures
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
Did Christ Die For Nothing?

Not according to Matthew 27:51 At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split 52 and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53 They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and went into the holy city and appeared to many people.

That in itself was worth the price of admission.
I think verse 52 is mistranslated in many versions of the Bible.
However, that will lead perhaps to an unresolved debate.

I believe this though...
The text at Matthew 27:52, 53 concerning “the memorial tombs [that] were opened” as the result of an earthquake occurring at the time of Jesus’ death has caused considerable discussion, some holding that a resurrection occurred. However, a comparison with the texts concerning the resurrection makes clear that these verses do not describe a resurrection but merely a throwing of bodies out of their tombs, similar to incidents that have taken place in more recent times, as in Ecuador in 1949 and again in Sonsón, Colombia, in 1962, when 200 corpses in the cemetery were thrown out of their tombs by a violent earth tremor. - El Tiempo, Bogotá, Colombia, July 31, 1962.

You can read further explanation on this here.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
In Revelation 20:13-14
13--"And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works"

Have you any idea what sea represents in Revelation. And Who is death according to the bible/scriptures. What is the name of death.
And who does the dead represents in the bible/ scriptures. So who's the Dead represents?

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Have you any idea what the second death represents in Revelation.
And who is death and what is the name of death according to the bible/scriptures
I'm sure we have vastly different views on these scriptures.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
I've seen, on these forums, some say Christ died for nothing, because humankind still sin, suffer and die. Some have argued that if Christ really died for sins, then there should be no unforgivable sin.
I think these views are shortsighted, and clouded.
I suggest understanding what sin is, and how it is dealt with, is clearly explained by the apostle Paul in just a few Chapters containing his letters to the Christians in Rome.
The following points are mostly taken from Romans 5-8.

Sin is imperfection - missing the mark of God's righteous standards.
God's only begotten son was perfect, as he always sought to please his father. Not so with the angels that sinned. (1 Peter 2:22)

Adam and Eve sinned - they missed the mark of God's righteous standards, became imperfect (perfection is relative from the vantage point of the perfecter).
Sin involves wrong thinking, desires, and inclinations.
All persons born to Adam, inherited these - they were passed on from Adam's genes, including the defects acquired due to disobedience - that is, alienation from the life that belongs to God. (Ephesians 4:18) The body deteriorates until death.

Those who accept Christ, and live by his Law - by spirit, benefit from his ransom sacrifice, which allow them to have God's undeserved kindness, and forgiveness, and thus be acquitted of their sins, which are covered by Christ's blood. This does not undo the damage done by the sin of Adam, which we all inherit. That will occur during the millennial reign of Christ, when the resurrected are given new bodies, and those alive who survive the great tribulation, are repaired, healed completely of the damage caused by sin. From then on the process will proceed to reaching perfection - the point where Adam and Eve began, but beyond.

Sin and Imperfection would have been eradicated
. Any seed of imperfection that starts to grow, will immediately in a blink of an eye, be rooted out, and dissolved.
As the fairy tales go, "They lived happily perfectly ever after." ...but this is no fairy tale.
Christ did die for something - something of greater value than anything else.
This is what I find the scriptures say.
[GALLERY=media, 8859]In My Humble View (IMHV) by nPeace posted Feb 28, 2019 at 8:18 PM[/GALLERY]

My understanding is that we have been created to know and to worship God and that the main purpose of Jesus or any other Heavenly Messenger is to bring us closer to God. Those who believe in Them and follow their teachings draw closer to God while those who do not miss out on the joy of knowing God.

So to sacrifice His Life to bring the knowledge of God to us in my view, is the greatest gift we can ever be given. Christ lived and was crucified in order to bring God into our hearts and lives once again as the Jews had forgotten God and were thus opposed to His Son although outwardly professing belief.

So to recapitulate. Christ sacrificed His Life to bring the knowledge and love of God back into our hearts and for such a sacrifice to thank Him a hundred thousand times with each breath can never suffice. We were spiritually dead He revived us. He sacrificed His life that we may live in God.
 
Which is it? Are you using the Bible, or are you speaking your mind?
Who planted the tree? Was it not the creator?
Shouldn't you understand something before you can call it a fable?
How can one refer to something as a fable, and not know anything about it, much less understand anything it says?
I don't understand that.
So did God create sin, or did mankind sin? Sorry, you have me a bit confused about what you are saying.

Nice word salad there.
God Created the tree. Man ate of its fruit and sin. If God never created the tree there would be no sin.
I refer to it as a fable because it didn't happen.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
I'm sure we have vastly different views on these scriptures.

Nope, As your vastly views of those scriptures don't even come close to what Christ Jesus has given and said. In those scriptures.
So maybe you should take it up with Christ Jesus and let him know that you know more than he does of those scriptures.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
I think verse 52 is mistranslated in many versions of the Bible.
However, that will lead perhaps to an unresolved debate.

I believe this though...
The text at Matthew 27:52, 53 concerning “the memorial tombs [that] were opened” as the result of an earthquake occurring at the time of Jesus’ death has caused considerable discussion, some holding that a resurrection occurred. However, a comparison with the texts concerning the resurrection makes clear that these verses do not describe a resurrection but merely a throwing of bodies out of their tombs, similar to incidents that have taken place in more recent times, as in Ecuador in 1949 and again in Sonsón, Colombia, in 1962, when 200 corpses in the cemetery were thrown out of their tombs by a violent earth tremor. - El Tiempo, Bogotá, Colombia, July 31, 1962.

You can read further explanation on this here.

Will you got that one all wrong, Those Saints that came up out of the tomb's, was a one time event that occurred at the death of Christ Jesus, To signify the power of Christ Jesus has over the grave.

"O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 1st Corinthians 15:55

Therefore Christ Jesus defeated death and the grave at his death and Resurrection

And the proof of this, is when many of the Saints came up out of the graves, showing Christ Jesus power over death and the grave.
But you wouldn't know this, seeing how you think that you know more than Christ Jesus does.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
It is harmonious and accurate.
You may believe that but you cannot possibly know that. It is virtually impossible for you or anyone else to go back nearly 2000+ years and check out the literally thousands of narratives that are in the Bible.

Instead, my view is to take what the Bible teaches that may be applicable today even thought there are some "variations", as theologians call them. The JW's do this, btw, that sometimes includes ignoring some Biblical teachings as just being "ritualistic".

IOW, pretty much like all denominations, the JW's pick & choose.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
Nice word salad there.
God Created the tree. Man ate of its fruit and sin. If God never created the tree there would be no sin.
I refer to it as a fable because it didn't happen.
You don't know any of that, do you.
It's okay, to have our own beliefs though. I have mine. You have yours.
Your saying you know something, you must be able to prove it, so I will wait for it.
 
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nPeace

Veteran Member
Nope, As your vastly views of those scriptures don't even come close to what Christ Jesus has given and said. In those scriptures.
So maybe you should take it up with Christ Jesus and let him know that you know more than he does of those scriptures.
Where did I say I know more than Christ? Can you show me the post, paragraph and sentence?

Notice, that I gave my views. Nowhere did I say "I know".
I normally say, I believe.
Are you saying I am wrong to give my views, or say what "I believe"?
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
Will you got that one all wrong, Those Saints that came up out of the tomb's, was a one time event that occurred at the death of Christ Jesus, To signify the power of Christ Jesus has over the grave.

"O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 1st Corinthians 15:55

Therefore Christ Jesus defeated death and the grave at his death and Resurrection

And the proof of this, is when many of the Saints came up out of the graves, showing Christ Jesus power over death and the grave.
But you wouldn't know this, seeing how you think that you know more than Christ Jesus does.
Thank for sharing your view... or is this more than a view? Are you saying, you know? I'm not sure. You tell me.

Again where did I say, I know more than Christ?
Would I be correct if I suggested that you think that no one should say what they believe, unless it lines up with what you believe, because then to you that means they think they know more than Christ?
I really would like to know, so please tell me.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
In Revelation 20:13-14
13--"And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works"

Have you any idea what sea represents in Revelation. And Who is death according to the bible/scriptures. What is the name of death.
And who does the dead represents in the bible/ scriptures. So who's the Dead represents?

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Have you any idea what the second death represents in Revelation.
And who is death and what is the name of death according to the bible/scriptures
I think you raised some good questions, so I would be interested in your views on Revelation 20:13, 14
You apparently see the sea, death, and Hell / Hades as symbolizing something, so I am interested in hearing your interpretation. Also the second death.
How do you view these, and what does the verse mean to you?
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Where did I say I know more than Christ? Can you show me the post, paragraph and sentence?

Notice, that I gave my views. Nowhere did I say "I know".
I normally say, I believe.
Are you saying I am wrong to give my views, or say what "I believe"?

Well your views do not line up to what Christ Jesus reveals in Revelation.

Don't you think if your going to give your views should line up what Christ Jesus is saying in Revelation.
Seeing how Christ Jesus gave the book of Revelation.
 
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