I see no conflict, thus who makes the conflicts?
I only see only Love in our One God.
Regards Tony
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Baha'i Vs Christ
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I see no conflict, thus who makes the conflicts?
I only see only Love in our One God.
Regards Tony
I understood that one as 'we' just meaning you and I. But the vagueness of your ongoing use of 'we' still persists. Do you know what an antecedent is in grammar?
Shantanu
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What is the name of your God?
Atheists would like that 'our'. Surely you can only mean all theists (and only monotheists) this time? Sorry to break it to you, but not everyone is a monotheist.
I posted in that thread and did not see that "Buddhists all accepted Baha'u'llah" was said.
I see this is what you wanted to see.
I also see the person you quoted from, also clarified that point.
Regards Tony
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Hi Tony.......
How can a life of mammon be spiritual?
What is spiritual about Bahai when it does not believe in spirits?
I most certainly did not want to see that. I was hoping Baha'is weren't that delusional. But Lover apologised and withdrew his statement this AM.
Shantanu
Well-Known Member
What is this God you speak of: where does He live and how does He manifest His presence?
InvestigateTruth
Well-Known Member
Like lets take this to pieces exegetically, how many points the Baha'i overwrite of prophecies, and theologies...
So some basics:
Please list anymore points missed.
- Christ brings the Tribulation, and Judgement on mankind. Vs The Tribulation is metaphoric, and Judgement is miles away, because Baha'i brought world peace.
- We're down nearer to Hell, and some people can be evil. Vs There is no Hell, and people need to learn to be saints.
- Christ came to set a Snare & a Curse to test mankind; not to be a martyr. Vs Christ came to die to fulfill a plan of salvation, and martyrism.
- Heaven and Hell exist, and people will be removed into the Lake of Fire/Gehenna. Vs There is no Heaven and Hell, and since we have world peace, the fire comes much later.
- Christ told us he was the Lord, and that his father God was the Source of reality. Vs Baha'u'llah was Christ's father here on earth, and Christ is made into the son of the Lord.
- Christ fulfilled & taught reincarnation. Vs Reincarnation doesn't exist, and prophecy isn't properly examined to make things fit.
- etc...?
In my opinion.
Baha'is and the mainstream Christians both believe in the Bible, but they have different interpretations of the Holy Book. Namely, Bahais believe when Prophets spoke of Resurrection of Dead, They have always been speaking figuratively.
In this case, By the term 'Dead', They meant a misguided person, who spiritually is dead. By the term 'alive' they meant, a person who is guided through the Revelations of God. Thus, Resurrection of the Dead, is just a spiritual transformation of a person who was misguided and blind, to a person who is guided and his spiritual sight is open.
Accepting a new Revelation with a new Manifestation of God has been always a secret of God. For that reason, He never explicitly says, after Jesus, another revelation comes which replaces Christ Revelation. Instead the new guidance and Revelation is expressed as Resurrection of the Dead. In Bahai view, Resurrection has come to pass, and that was an allusion to Bahaullah's Revelation. The Hell and Heaven are likewise figurative. They denote 'disbelief', and 'belief' respectively. Whoever then on the Day of Resurrection recognizes the Manifestation of God and be guided by His teachings, is spiritually in 'Heaven'. Thus in Bahai view, Heaven is not somewhere physically, but it only denoted 'Spiritual state'. I hope that clarifies the difference in interpretations.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
And you did!
Bloomin' heck........
I cut my thumb on a sardine can today. It hurts like a paper cut. Any chance for a bit of help with that?
I do not ask them to see it how I do. As I also do not ask you.
Then I would would humbly suggest that you desist using 'we' to describe your personal beliefs.
You were able to desist the excessive quoting. For that, I thank you.
There is 5 levels of Spirit. All of creation exists and operates because of the animating force of this spirit.
In the Human, I see the human spirit is the power that fires the brain.
Regards Tony
Stop eating sardines.
Sorry there is no I, even if we do tend to use it in this limited world.
Regards Tony
Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
Like lets take this to pieces exegetically, how many points the Baha'i overwrite of prophecies, and theologies...
So some basics:
Please list anymore points missed.
- Christ brings the Tribulation, and Judgement on mankind. Vs The Tribulation is metaphoric, and Judgement is miles away, because Baha'i brought world peace.
- We're down nearer to Hell, and some people can be evil. Vs There is no Hell, and people need to learn to be saints.
- Christ came to set a Snare & a Curse to test mankind; not to be a martyr. Vs Christ came to die to fulfill a plan of salvation, and martyrism.
- Heaven and Hell exist, and people will be removed into the Lake of Fire/Gehenna. Vs There is no Heaven and Hell, and since we have world peace, the fire comes much later.
- Christ told us he was the Lord, and that his father God was the Source of reality. Vs Baha'u'llah was Christ's father here on earth, and Christ is made into the son of the Lord.
- Christ fulfilled & taught reincarnation. Vs Reincarnation doesn't exist, and prophecy isn't properly examined to make things fit.
- etc...?
In my opinion.
If to what your saying to be true, that Christ brings the Tribulation.
Then why is Christ shorten the days of the Tribulation to bring the Tribulation to it's end.
How is this to work
Which doesn't make any sense at all.
It's the AntiChrist that brings the Tribulation.
AntiChrist means, one who stands in the place of Christ.
The AntiChrist comes to deceive people into believing he is Christ Jesus, but he's the false Christ impersonating the real Christ Jesus.
The AntiChrist brings about the Tribulation
Like lets take this to pieces exegetically, how many points the Baha'i overwrite of prophecies, and theologies...
So some basics:
Please list anymore points missed.
- Christ brings the Tribulation, and Judgement on mankind. Vs The Tribulation is metaphoric, and Judgement is miles away, because Baha'i brought world peace.
- We're down nearer to Hell, and some people can be evil. Vs There is no Hell, and people need to learn to be saints.
- Christ came to set a Snare & a Curse to test mankind; not to be a martyr. Vs Christ came to die to fulfill a plan of salvation, and martyrism.
- Heaven and Hell exist, and people will be removed into the Lake of Fire/Gehenna. Vs There is no Heaven and Hell, and since we have world peace, the fire comes much later.
- Christ told us he was the Lord, and that his father God was the Source of reality. Vs Baha'u'llah was Christ's father here on earth, and Christ is made into the son of the Lord.
- Christ fulfilled & taught reincarnation. Vs Reincarnation doesn't exist, and prophecy isn't properly examined to make things fit.
- etc...?
In my opinion.
We believe in Jesus and the Holy Bible so I see no ‘us vs them’ or conflict at all. Everyone has their own interpretation even Christians differ widely on many passages. But I think some clarification would be helpful.
1. We believe in world peace but that God will chastise man for his perversity and there will be a universal catastrophe or common disaster so in principle we’re agree in a tribulation but thatbit will lead to peace.so I see us agreed here.
2. Anyone can manifest satanic qualities. To us to disobey God iand be far away from Him is equivalent to being in hell. The hell of disbelief. The heaven of beliefs. We all can choose to become closer to God by developing our spiritual souls or choose to ignore God and allow our egos and selfish desires to control us. I think we agree here too.
3. Christ sacrificed Himseled to save us from our waywardness. I fully agree with this. I see no discrepancy at all.
4. We agree there is heaven and hell but not a physical one. That heaven is to be near to God and hell to be far from Him. Didn’t Jesus say He was in heaven at a time He walked upon the earth. So His body was on the earth but His Spirit with God. Another agreement I believe.
5. Christ is the Lord and God is the Father. True. Where do you get that Baha’u’llah was Christ’s father? Baha’u’llah is not God. I think you have misunderstood thisnbut I’m happy to discuss it further.
6. I am aware Christ said we must be born again, so too did Baha’u’llah. I am unaware Christ taught reincarnation as my understanding is to be reborn spiritually not into another physical body is what He meant but I don’t think most Christians would agree with your view of reincarnation, but I’m happy to discuss this.
The main thing is we both believe in Jesus and the Bible.
Jedster
Well-Known Member
Yes , and lets not forget apatheists
This puts it into focus(as Joe Cocker said)
apatheist
Someone who just doesn't care whether God exists or not and realizes that such a fact won't effect their life anyway, comes from the word 'apathy' meaning "absence of emotion" and 'theism' meaning "belief in God"
Susan: "Are you an Atheist? Agnostic? Theist? What???"
Ryan: "None of the above, I really just don't give a sh*t"
Susan: "So what are you then?"
Ryan: "An apatheist because, like I said, I just don't give a sh*t and wonder why anyone else does too"
Urban Dictionary: apatheist
Never heard this before, and I like it. So apt for so many folks. Indifferent agnostic is too long.