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Baha'i Vs Christ

TransmutingSoul

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Premium Member
By all means show where that list is wrong.

Baha'u'llah has already done that over and over and over again.

Where you have gone wrong, Baha'u'llah has also given advice, He wanted to make it clear and give humanity a break from all the messages supposedly from God made by false claimants

Thus Baha'u'llah said No one can claim they have had inspiration direct from God for a full 1000 years, if they do they are surly a lying imposter.

Thus my advice to you in another post was to consider where your experiences have come from. It is possible that some have been inspired by Baha'u'llah.

Regards Tony
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I don't know man there is this guy in Mexico name Lord Ryael whose claimed to do the same thing.

Thus it is Mathimatically testable.

"...Professor of mathematics Peter Stoner gave 600 students a math probability problem that would determine the odds for one person fulfilling eight specific prophecies. (This is not the same as flipping a coin eight times in a row and getting heads each time.) First the students calculated the odds of one person fulfilling all the conditions of one specific prophecy, such as being betrayed by a friend for 30 pieces of silver. Then the students did their best to estimate the odds for all of the eight prophecies combined.

The students calculated that the odds against one person fulfilling all eight prophecies are astronomical-one in ten to the 21st power (1021). To illustrate that number, Stoner gave the following example: “First, blanket the entire Earth land mass with silver dollars 120 feet high. Second, specially mark one of those dollars and randomly bury it. Third, ask a person to travel the Earth and select the marked dollar, while blindfolded, from the trillions of other dollars.”

Now what if a person fulfills 60 prophecies, that number jumps to 1060 and above. As stated more than the Atoms in the known universe.

Want to give it a go?

Regards Tony
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
It quite easy to write over prophecies if you start your religion after another one.

Yesterday I predicted that I would come here today.

But in somce cases one has to admire the creative writing (editing) skills. I'm particularly impressed with numbers and dates being interpreted to mean something. 'Some day' works too.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
This is the mistake the Christains made and Baha'u'llah explains this in detail.

To show how clear it is and what he thinks about those that say this about Him, please read this passage so you can know;

"...Certain ones among you have said: “He it is Who hath laid claim to be God.” By God! This is a gross calumny. I am but a servant of God Who hath believed in Him and in His signs, and in His Prophets and in His angels. My tongue, and My heart, and My inner and My outer being testify that there is no God but Him, that all others have been created by His behest, and been fashioned through the operation of His Will. There is none other God but Him, the Creator, the Raiser from the dead, the Quickener, the Slayer. I am He that telleth abroad the favors with which God hath, through His bounty, favored Me. If this be My transgression, then I am truly the first of the transgressors. I and My kindred are at your mercy. Do ye as ye please, and be not of them that hesitate, that I might return to God My Lord, and reach the place where I can no longer behold your faces....."

Now you have to agree that is clear as day.

Christ also made it clear, so instead of trying to understand what is the relationship, people made Christ God as well.

Muhammad then Baha'ullah have cleared it up for all time.

The Messenger is a perfect unblemished mirror, in that way what we see in them is an unblemished reflection of Gods Attributes, as a reflection is not the unknowable Essence of the all mighty God.

That is also as clear as the noon day sun and is also sound biblical reasoning.

Regards Tony
So, in other words, they contradict themselves a lot. That isn't anything new. 'I'm God. No I'm not." Moody guys, these 'messengers'.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Now what if a person fulfills 60 prophecies, that number jumps to 1060 and above. As stated more than the Atoms in the known universe.

But what if they fulfilled zero prophecies, and it's all work of someone else's hopeful imagination? That is what most same people think, after all.
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
But what if they fulfilled zero prophecies, and it's all work of someone else's hopeful imagination? That is what most same people think, after all.

Then it would be obvious, the claim would soon be proven false by the most.

If they can not prove it false, then eventually the most would embrace what they once thought was false.

That is the age we have the bounty to live in. From Baha'u'llah the most important choices now faces us all.

Are we one human race?
As a race, do we have One God?

Thus we answer for or against each question, which are also found to be in the Bible and Quran.

Regards Tony
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
That is the age we have the bounty to live in. From Baha'u'llah the most important choices now faces us all.

As a race, do we have One God?

We? You're speaking on behalf of humanity again. Baha'u'llah has nothing for the non-Baha'i. Many folks have no God or gods at all, and are happy with that. Others have many Gods. We? Just what is it that makes you think you have the right to dictate or state the views of all of humanity? Did Baha'u'llah appoint you his personal successor? Better let the UHJ know, if that is indeed the case.
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Yesterday I predicted that I would come here today.

But in somce cases one has to admire the creative writing (editing) skills. I'm particularly impressed with numbers and dates being interpreted to mean something. 'Some day' works too.

Try doing that 3000 years apart.

Say it is written that the Glory of God comes from the East via a Gate from a place called Assyria. Comes from prision to prison across mountain to mountain, across rivers and oceans and ends up that Mt Carmel, in Israel, is to see the Glory of God.

Then a person whos title/name is the Glory of God, comes by the way of a person called the Gate and through no effort of their own is banished from Assyria, from prision to prison, over mountains, rivers and seas, (some of which have also been named) to end up standing on Mt Carmel.

That gives us a starting point of probability. How many people in the world could probably fulfill those requirements?

Then there are dozens just as specific and clear prophecies that can come from the Bible and many other sources we can put into the sum.

Regards Tony
 

TransmutingSoul

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Premium Member
We? You're speaking on behalf of humanity again. Baha'u'llah has nothing for the non-Baha'i. Many folks have no God or gods at all, and are happy with that. Others have many Gods. We? Just what is it that makes you think you have the right to dictate or state the views of all of humanity? Did Baha'u'llah appoint you his personal successor? Better let the UHJ know, if that is indeed the case.

That is your choice.

I see humanity as We, Us, One. Thus do unto others as you would have them do unto you. That is Biblical and across all scriptures.

Are you trying to convince me to not see life this way?

Consider that when I choose to see life this way, I see myself as no better than any other part of the whole body. if one part suffers, I suffer with it.

If I choose not look at it this way, I may think that I am superior to the other parts. of the body, God forbid.

Regards Tony
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Try doing that 3000 years apart.

Say it is written that the Glory of God comes from the East via a Gate from a place called Assyria. Comes from prision to prison across mountain to mountain, across rivers and oceans and ends up that Mt Carmel, in Israel, is to see the Glory of God.

Then a person whos title/name is the Glory of God, comes by the way of a person called the Gate and through no effort of their own is banished from Assyria, from prision to prison, over mountains, rivers and seas, (some of which have also been named) to end up standing on Mt Carmel.

That gives us a starting point of probability. How many people in the world could probably fulfill those requirements?

Then there are dozens just as specific and clear prophecies that can come from the Bible and many other sources we can put into the sum.

Regards Tony

You are free to believe creative writing. The religion of Scientolgy is totally based on the works of a science fiction writer. There is nothing stopping you, or scientologists. The vast majority of sane people on this planet don't believe this. But fortunately for you, we do have freedom of religion. As you know, I've been through all this stuff before, and considered it hogwash. Surely you wouldn't expect me to do it again, and get to some different conclusion?
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
That is your choice.

I see humanity as We, Us, One. Thus do unto others as you would have them do unto you. That is Biblical and across all scriptures.

Are you trying to convince me to not see life this way?

Consider that when I choose to see life this way, I see myself as no better than any other part of the whole body. if one part suffers, I suffer with it.

If I choose not look at it this way, I may think that I am superior to the other parts. of the body, God forbid.

Go ahead, speak for me. There is no stopping you.
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
We have billions of gods (Jesus, Allah, Shiva, etc) and one Supreme God (Sri Krishna/Durga) above these.

Man may choose to see it that way. Or we can say that It is the same Sun that shines from all of Gods Names.

I see that is also Biblical as Christ says I have many sheep that are not of this fold, but when he was ro return, there will be one fold and One Shepherd.

Regards Tony
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
You are free to believe creative writing. The religion of Scientolgy is totally based on the works of a science fiction writer. There is nothing stopping you, or scientologists. The vast majority of sane people on this planet don't believe this. But fortunately for you, we do have freedom of religion. As you know, I've been through all this stuff before, and considered it hogwash. Surely you wouldn't expect me to do it again, and get to some different conclusion?

We can come and go in these discussions as we see fit. We give and take from them as per our choice.

As a Baha'i, I will answer the questions or intent of the OP from a Baha'i view point.

Regards Tony
 

Shantanu

Well-Known Member
Man.may choose to see it that way. Or we can say that It is the same Sun that shines from all of Gods Names.

I see that is also Biblical as Christ says I have many sheep that are not of this fold, but when he was ro return, there will be one fold and One Shepherd.

Regards Tony
Each human being is inspired by his own god from the billions of possible gods that there are in ones consciousness. These gods have nothing to do with the Supreme God Sri Krishna who sattvic people can approach and receive guidance from. You can give different names to the Supreme God but you cannot erase the billions of deities who generate conflict in human societies by getting their followers to follow different life styles. There can accordingly never be universal peace as the Supreme God will not do anything to destroy His creation of billions of gods and goddesses that make societies thrive and causes different States to exist on this planet to support these different lifestyles generated by these dieties.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
We can come and go in these discussions as we see fit. We give and take from them as per our choice.

As a Baha'i, I will answer the questions or intent of the OP from a Baha'i view point.

Then perhaps you should say 'We the Baha'i' rather than 'We'. It would be far clearer. Yesterday another Baha'i made the bold claim that Buddhists all accepted Baha'u'llah. Are you now making that same claim about Christians? Shall I ask them as well if it's true, as I felt obliged to with the Buddhists? You want to lay a little wager what the Christians will say?
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Like lets take this to pieces exegetically, how many points the Baha'i overwrite of prophecies, and theologies...

So some basics:
  • Christ brings the Tribulation, and Judgement on mankind. Vs The Tribulation is metaphoric, and Judgement is miles away, because Baha'i brought world peace.

  • We're down nearer to Hell, and some people can be evil. Vs There is no Hell, and people need to learn to be saints.

  • Christ came to set a Snare & a Curse to test mankind; not to be a martyr. Vs Christ came to die to fulfill a plan of salvation, and martyrism.

  • Heaven and Hell exist, and people will be removed into the Lake of Fire/Gehenna. Vs There is no Heaven and Hell, and since we have world peace, the fire comes much later.

  • Christ told us he was the Lord, and that his father God was the Source of reality. Vs Baha'u'llah was Christ's father here on earth, and Christ is made into the son of the Lord.

  • Christ fulfilled & taught reincarnation. Vs Reincarnation doesn't exist, and prophecy isn't properly examined to make things fit.

  • etc...?
Please list anymore points missed.

In my opinion. :innocent:

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