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Must you believe in Jesus to avoid hell?

David1967

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This present world is discouraging, steeped in chaos, and full of hatred. Thinking a bit...If I can see that outside me, am I not the same?

Perhaps my best reaction to what I see is to do my best to make sure that my own life is pleasing to God, and seasoned with gentleness and love toward others? Is not God admonishing me to strive to please him while not allowing myself to be caught up in all the things that displease God?

Well said Ellen.
 

Remté

Active Member
Whether Jesus said it (although as someone quoted he sort of did say so) is not relevant as I see it.

In Islam also it is essential to believe in Jesus. But whether a person will go to hell if they do not or if they for some reason never heard of Jesus, is decided by God.
 

Shantanu

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Why are there a few people in the Christian religions that claim one must believe in Jesus to be saved?

I will assume this belief also includes the fact that those who do not believe will go to hell?

Both of these beliefs absolutely MUST be false, since Jesus never said any such thing.

What say ye?
By 'saved', Christians mean that Jesus saves our souls from turning nasty with sins which God disapproves of. So Jesus must have known God as the Son of God. The Bible tells us more about how to be a good Christian: love thy enemies it says to give you one example. So belief in Bible (New Testament) and Jesus are synonymous.

Why should anyone believe that this is true. I do not think there is any 'hell' except for what exists on Earth and loving ones enemies is the certain way to becoming downtrodden and being dominated by evil perpetrators. So the question arises in my mind is whether Jesus was a creation of Satan-evil humans in order to make humans tow the line and surrender to human authority.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Why are there a few people in the Christian religions that claim one must believe in Jesus to be saved?

I will assume this belief also includes the fact that those who do not believe will go to hell?

Both of these beliefs absolutely MUST be false, since Jesus never said any such thing.

What say ye?

I say anyone who threatens innocent children with their personal nightmares needs their bumps feeling
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Here's the problematic scripture: Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. -- John 14:6
Basically, no Jesus, no salvation.

Does one have to believe in Hell in order to go there?

The Hindu Scripture "Yoga Vasistha" says the same "Through this Scripture alone you can reach ....."
But then the Yoga Vasistha continues saying "but if you don't like this Scripture then any other Scripture will be as good"
The Bible was written by men. Those men were a bit more narcissistic/arrogant than those of the Yoga Vasistha

To go to Hell, Hell should exist first. I have not seen any proof of that thus far
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
Why are there a few people in the Christian religions that claim one must believe in Jesus to be saved?

I will assume this belief also includes the fact that those who do not believe will go to hell?

Both of these beliefs absolutely MUST be false, since Jesus never said any such thing.

What say ye?

This rules has so many counter examples (agreed by Christians) that it becomes de facto useless.

Example: it appears all people born without knowing the Bible, are judged differently, since they cannot possibly know who Jesus was. A bit of logic shows that it is actually a bad idea to let them know.

Aborted Blastocysts go to heaven, allegedly. Lucky them.
However, it is difficult to imagine a born again blastocyst, since the word “again” is logically not applicable.

Ciao

- viole
 

Maximilian

Energetic proclaimer of Jehovah God's Kingdom.
Why are there a few people in the Christian religions that claim one must believe in Jesus to be saved?

I will assume this belief also includes the fact that those who do not believe will go to hell?

Both of these beliefs absolutely MUST be false, since Jesus never said any such thing.

What say ye?





The RCC's doctrine that God demoniacally tortures billions of immortal spirits for all eternity in a blazing sea of perpetual fire is a Satanic Antichrist mendacity that defames God.

As a God of justice and love, he would never create such a vicious and barbaric realm much less prescribe infinite punishment for a finite crime no matter how wicked.
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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Premium Member
The Hindu Scripture "Yoga Vasistha" says the same "Through this Scripture alone you can reach ....."
But then the Yoga Vasistha continues saying "but if you don't like this Scripture then any other Scripture will be as good"
The Bible was written by men. Those men were a bit more narcissistic/arrogant than those of the Yoga Vasistha

To go to Hell, Hell should exist first. I have not seen any proof of that thus far

I take the Jesus verse as meaning that at the time, he alone knew how to reach God, having found it. The people of his time lost their way and lost their connection to God. He's saying "here, I got the knowledge for you to reconnect to God". I don't take it as anything deeper than that. Most of his teachings were through metaphor, parables and even hyperbole because his audience was just simple people, and pretty dense. It was hard enough getting them to follow a simple way, much less giving them too many options.
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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Premium Member

Maximilian

Energetic proclaimer of Jehovah God's Kingdom.
The Bible was written by men. Those men were a bit more narcissistic/arrogant than those of the Yoga Vasistha

What if the Bible truly was what it claimed to be, the very Word of God? What would that mean for you?
 

Maximilian

Energetic proclaimer of Jehovah God's Kingdom.
Medieval church control mechanism.

"The hegemony of one caste over all kinds of social spheres — from media, legislature, bureaucracy, judiciary to academia and civil societies — is the reality of India and one cannot deny it. And so is the fact that caste violence is directly proportional to gender violence." -https://www.news18.com/news/buzz/outrage-over-jack-dorsey-holding-smash-brahmanical-patriarchy-poster-shows-casteist-souls-cant-face-reality-1945061.html

How can you support such an evil system?
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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"The hegemony of one caste over all kinds of social spheres — from media, legislature, bureaucracy, judiciary to academia and civil societies — is the reality of India and one cannot deny it. And so is the fact that caste violence is directly proportional to gender violence." -https://www.news18.com/news/buzz/outrage-over-jack-dorsey-holding-smash-brahmanical-patriarchy-poster-shows-casteist-souls-cant-face-reality-1945061.html

How can you support such an evil system?

Ohhhh, is this a tit-for-tat? Well, the caste system is not based in any theology. It is a corruption of occupational classes called varna. It's based on concept that a society has and needs different groups of people to keep it running. The corruption begun after the fall of the Mughal Empire and the British occupation. As was their wont, the British mucked things up for the "savages". They took a dump on Bhārat Mātā (Mother India) and left without even wiping up. So again, European Christians. Modern Indians do not support it.
 

Maximilian

Energetic proclaimer of Jehovah God's Kingdom.
Ohhhh, is this a tit-for-tat? Well, the caste system is not based in any theology. It is a corruption of occupational classes called varna. It's based on concept that a society has and needs different groups of people to keep it running. The corruption begun after the fall of the Mughal Empire and the British occupation. As was their wont, the British mucked things up for the "savages". They took a dump on Bhārat Mātā (Mother India) and left without even wiping up. So again, European Christians. Modern Indians do not support it.

Well, if you're going to hold yourself up as some kind of moral authority shouldn't your own house be in order first?
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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Premium Member
Well, if you're going to hold yourself up as some kind of moral authority shouldn't your own house be in order first?

If you're going to try to punk someone maybe you should learn something about them... I'm not Indian, I'm an Italian-American Hindu. Not that my background matters, because most modern Hindus of any nationality abhor caste-based discrimination.

Moreover, read what I wrote.

The British Raj furthered this development, making rigid caste organisation a central mechanism of administration.[7] Between 1860 and 1920, the British segregated Indians by caste, granting administrative jobs and senior appointments only to the upper castes. Social unrest during the 1920s led to a change in this policy.[9] From then on, the colonial administration began a policy of positive discrimination by reserving a certain percentage of government jobs for the lower castes. Caste system in India - Wikipedia
 

Maximilian

Energetic proclaimer of Jehovah God's Kingdom.
If you're going to try to punk someone maybe you should learn something about them... I'm not Indian, I'm an Italian-American Hindu. Not that my background matters, because most modern Hindus of any nationality abhor caste-based discrimination.

That's like Catholics crying foul when confronted with the reality that Hitler and the Nazis were Catholic . . .

Also, "Wikipedia is not a reliable source." -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Academic_use
 

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Why are there a few people in the Christian religions that claim one must believe in Jesus to be saved?

I will assume this belief also includes the fact that those who do not believe will go to hell?

Both of these beliefs absolutely MUST be false, since Jesus never said any such thing.

What say ye?

Well, he said so in Mark 9 and Matthew 13
 

stvdv

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What if the Bible truly was what it claimed to be, the very Word of God? What would that mean for you?

The OP is about "must you believe in Jesus to avoid hell"
If the Bible teaches this, then I do not believe that part

I lived with a Master for 10 years and I am very happy with His Teachings
So your question is not for me ... I have found "the very Word of God" so to speak

And I am not searching anymore, and not trying to convince others

I do believe that the Bible can guide you to whatever you want
And so can my Master with His Teachings guide me also
 

Maximilian

Energetic proclaimer of Jehovah God's Kingdom.
The OP is about "must you believe in Jesus to avoid hell"
If the Bible teaches this, then I do not believe that part

I lived with a Master for 10 years and I am very happy with His Teachings
So your question is not for me ... I have found "the very Word of God" so to speak

And I am not searching anymore, and not trying to convince others

I do believe that the Bible can guide you to whatever you want
And so can my Master with His Teachings guide me also

A Master of what?
 
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