Nothing from nothing, Can this really happen from a Christian Perspective

[Faithofchristian]

Thanks for that.

I don't see what 'the commandments of men' has to do with science, though.

After all, the Christian view is that God wrote two books, one of them the bible and the other the universe. Why would you say that the intelligent study of the universe is inferior to the intelligent study of the bible, if they have the same author? Especially since the bible had to be mediated by fallible men but the universe is in its author's own handwriting?

Because science is the teaching of man's, who else teaches science other than man.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Thanks for that.

I don't see what 'the commandments of men' has to do with science, though.

After all, the Christian view is that God wrote two books, one of them the bible and the other the universe. Why would you say that the intelligent study of the universe is inferior to the intelligent study of the bible, if they have the same author? Especially since the bible had to be mediated by fallible men but the universe is in its author's own handwriting?

There's no two books only one book which is called the bible.
Bible which only means, books within a book, Bible
God was before the Universe ever existed. Only until God spoke to have the Universe come into existence.
But before this, there was no Universe, that's hard to comprehend isn't it.
To think there was never a Universe until God spoke the universe into coming into existence.

 

[blü 2]

Because science is the teaching of man's, who else teaches science other man.

Psalm 19:

1. The heavens are telling the glory of God; and the firmament proclaims his handiwork.
2. Day to day pours forth speech, and night to night declares knowledge. 3. There is no speech, nor are there words; their voice is not heard; 4. yet their voice goes out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world.
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If God wrote both the books, then God teaches both religion and science. Why would you ignore half of the message? You don't open a book and just gawp at it ─ you set out to understand what you're being told.

 

[blü 2]

To think there was never a Universe until God spoke the universe into coming into existence.

Then surely it's high time you got to understand what God actually did.

Then perhaps you could at last tell me the process by which you can word a real thing into being.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Psalm 19:

1. The heavens are telling the glory of God; and the firmament proclaims his handiwork.
2. Day to day pours forth speech, and night to night declares knowledge. 3. There is no speech, nor are there words; their voice is not heard; 4. yet their voice goes out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world.
​

If God wrote both the books, then God teaches both religion and science. Why would you ignore half of the message? You don't open a book and just gawp at it ─ you set out to understand what you're being told.

Only if that science teaches what God teaches in his word. Otherwise if science does not teach the things of God.

Then that science becomes man's teachings and not God's teachings.

All science has to line up to God's teachings and not God's teachings to science.

Psalm 33:9--"For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast"

Therefore God spoke, and the Universe appeared and it was done.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Then surely it's high time you got to understand what God actually did.

Then perhaps you could at last tell me the process by which you can word a real thing into being.

God spoke and it was done.

Genesis 1:3--"And God said, Let there be light: and there was light,"

Genesis 1:6--*And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters"

Genesis 1:24---"And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so"

Psalm 33:9--"For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast"

Therefore God spoke and it was done accordingly.

 

[sooda]

There's no two books only one book which is called the bible.
Bible which only means, books within a book, Bible
God was before the Universe ever existed. Only until God spoke to have the Universe come into existence.
But before this, there was no Universe, that's hard to comprehend isn't it.
To think there was never a Universe until God spoke the universe into coming into existence.

Ugarit was an active seaport long before Adam and Eve and it never suffered Noah's flood.

Ugarit

 

[blü 2]

Only if that science teaches what God teaches in his word. Otherwise if science does teach the things of God.

On the Christian view, the things you say God worded into existence are exactly that, God's words.

Yet you appear to be afraid to go near them, and to prefer stories to reality.

Then that science becomes man's teachings and not God's teachings.

Religion becomes man's teachings and not God's teaching. The history of civilization shows this plainly. Otherwise, why are there literally thousands of Christian sects?

All science has to line up to God's teachings and not God's teachings to science.

Why? Do you say that God's creation tells lies? Is deceitful? Does not, through Christian eyes, proclaim the glory of God as the psalm says?

Therefore God spoke, and the Universe appeared and it was done.

Yet you not only can't be bothered to understand it, you oppose others understanding it.

 

[blü 2]

God spoke and it was done.

Yes, we agree that this is what Genesis says.

But I asked you to tell me how it was done, the process by which words cause real things to come into being.

And I look forward to your answer, so I can try it out.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

The best evidence ─ and there's nothing like a few checkable facts to sort out questions like this ─ says the universe is about 14 billion years old and that the sun and planets, including ours, are about 4.5 billion years old.
Why not go with that, and if more accurate information comes along, make necessary changes then?

To me the accuracy of CMBR ( cosmic microwave background radiation ) is a fact to date the universe and earth.
So, we can ' go with that ' and as Scripture tells us that God by His "GREAT" Power and Strength supplied the necessary abundantly needed dynamic energy to created the material realm of existence for us. - Isaiah 40:26; Jeremiah 32:17.
When God sends forth His spirit things are created according to Psalms 104:30.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Ugarit was an active seaport long before Adam and Eve and it never suffered Noah's flood.

Ugarit

Just so you know, there were Gentiles that never suffered Noah's flood either.

Genesis 10:1-5
1--"Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood.

2 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.

3 And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.

4 And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.

5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations"

Many Christians are taught that Noah's flood covered the whole earth.

For that to be true, Then where did the Gentiles come from in Verse 5.

If you notice back in Verse 1 this is after the flood of Noah's.

 

[Faithofchristian]

On the Christian view, the things you say God worded into existence are exactly that, God's words.

Yet you appear to be afraid to go near them, and to prefer stories to reality.
Religion becomes man's teachings and not God's teaching. The history of civilization shows this plainly. Otherwise, why are there literally thousands of Christian sects?
Why? Do you say that God's creation tells lies? Is deceitful? Does not, through Christian eyes, proclaim the glory of God as the psalm says?
Yet you not only can't be bothered to understand it, you oppose others understanding it.

Nope not at all, God spoke and it happened

 

[Faithofchristian]

On the Christian view, the things you say God worded into existence are exactly that, God's words.

Yet you appear to be afraid to go near them, and to prefer stories to reality.
Religion becomes man's teachings and not God's teaching. The history of civilization shows this plainly. Otherwise, why are there literally thousands of Christian sects?
Why? Do you say that God's creation tells lies? Is deceitful? Does not, through Christian eyes, proclaim the glory of God as the psalm says?
Yet you not only can't be bothered to understand it, you oppose others understanding it.

That's right they are God teachings, God spoke and it happened.

Man's teachings makes the word of God Void.
That's why I do not belong to any church or any Religious organizations.
They are all full of man's teachings.

 

[blü 2]

That's right they are God teachings, God spoke and it happened.

Man's teachings makes the word of God Void.

If God's word can be blown away by man, that indicates that God is neither very strong nor very bright, no?

Whatever happened to omnipotent and omniscient, not to mention perfect?

Or is the real problem that you're afraid of science?

 

[Dell]

In my back tracking, going thru all my notes, which I should haved done. In my thinking on this nothing coming from nothing, I soon realized my mistake in over speaking myself.

So if I step on anyone's toes over nothing coming from nothing, I apologise.

But anyway, what I found is, That God himself spoke and the earth, sun, moon, stars and animals and fish, all came into existence from nothing.
Even the Universe it's self, God spoke and the Universe came from nothing into existence.
People can find this in the book of
Genesis 1:3-19

In the book of Psalm 33:9--"For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast"

Therefore God spoke and all things and the Universe came into Existence from Nothing.

Assuming there is a God creator that exists in some multiverse prior, She obviously began our universe from the "big bang" and let laws of physics run its course to build the galaxies today. The speaking part.. sorry it's not reality that matter suddenly appears in complexity. The exception being we all live a virtual reality or simulation and nothing is what it is observed to be.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Assuming there is a God creator that exists in some multiverse prior, She obviously began our universe from the "big bang" and let laws of physics run its course to build the galaxies today. The speaking part.. sorry it's not reality that matter suddenly appears in complexity. The exception being we all live a virtual reality or simulation and nothing is what it is observed to be.

So where did this big bang theory of yours originate from
In other words from where did it get it's start

 

[stvdv]

Only if that science teaches what God teaches in his word. Otherwise if science does teach the things of God.
Then that science becomes man's teachings and not God's teachings.

You meant "does not teach" I think. So coincidentally you wrote the opposite of what you meant ... maybe not coincidentally

 

[Faithofchristian]

If God's word can be blown away by man, that indicates that God is neither very strong nor very bright, no?

Whatever happened to omnipotent and omniscient, not to mention perfect?

Or is the real problem that you're afraid of science?

As there is no where in the bible saying that God is All knowing ( omniscient)

That's another case in point against
Man's teachings.

But there is about God being
( omnipotent)
Of having unlimited power; able to do anything. In the book of
Revelation 19:6--"And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigns"

 

[blü 2]

As there is no where in the bible saying that God is All knowing ( omniscient)
[...]
But there is about God being ( omnipotent)

If you're omnipotent, one snap of those mighty fingers and you're omniscient, another and you're omnipresent, a third and you're perfect.

And for bonus, now your wife's happy.

 

[Faithofchristian]

If you're omnipotent, one snap of those mighty fingers and you're omniscient, another and you're omnipresent, a third and you're perfect.

And for bonus, now your wife's happy.

Now according to man's teachings,
God is All Knowing.

For this to be true, Then why didn't God know that the Arch-Angel Lucifer
Alas Satan, was going to Rebell against him.

But according to the bible/scriptures, God didn't know.
So the question is, how is this to work.
For God to be All Knowing, But yet didn't know that the Arch-Angel Lucifer was going to Rebell against him?