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Must you believe in Jesus to avoid hell?

Jeremiah Ames

Well-Known Member
Why are there a few people in the Christian religions that claim one must believe in Jesus to be saved?

I will assume this belief also includes the fact that those who do not believe will go to hell?

Both of these beliefs absolutely MUST be false, since Jesus never said any such thing.

What say ye?
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Here's the problematic scripture: Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. -- John 14:6
Basically, no Jesus, no salvation.

Does one have to believe in Hell in order to go there?
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
Why are there a few people in the Christian religions that claim one must believe in Jesus to be saved?
Good question. From what I've read in the Bible.
John 3:18
18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
Every Christian should be making the claim.
I will assume this belief also includes the fact that those who do not believe will go to hell?
That's what it looks like to me.
Both of these beliefs absolutely MUST be false, since Jesus never said any such thing.
So, are the only things in the Bible that are true are those that come from Jesus' mouth?

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lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
I suppose not. it's just that i'm more familiar with those who claim Christianity.
I really wasn't "aiming" the comment. Just a brief gasp of frustration.

Fair enough! Christians have numbered amongst my closest friends and also my most frustrating/blinkered annoyances through my life. They run the full gamut.
 

osgart

Nothing my eye, Something for sure
I was raised on this judgment. Hated it!

The premise seems to be that salvation/damnation gospel is the obvious truth and im fully responsible to believe it and so is everybody else who hears it.

As if some sort of spirit is working somewhere.
 

Ellen Brown

Well-Known Member
Why are there a few people in the Christian religions that claim one must believe in Jesus to be saved?

I will assume this belief also includes the fact that those who do not believe will go to hell?

Both of these beliefs absolutely MUST be false, since Jesus never said any such thing.

What say ye?

I question a lot these days.
 

ACEofALLaces

Active Member
Premium Member
Why are there a few people in the Christian religions that claim one must believe in Jesus to be saved?

Probably because that is what a group of sheepherders wanted you to THINK, Jesus said that. Virtually everything in the gospels attributed to Jesus, is second hand and third hand accountings...IF THAT!

I will assume this belief also includes the fact that those who do not believe will go to hell?

The very best that I can determine is that "hell", is nothing more than the grave. In Hebrew it is called Sheol, in Greek it is Hades.....all translated as the abode of the DEAD. So, yes, in THAT context, we will indeed all "be going to hell".....eventually.

Both of these beliefs absolutely MUST be false, since Jesus never said any such thing.
It WOULD seem that you are "catching on". Keep up the good work.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
I can quote scripture to prove that they it's deeds not beliefs that is critical. Using self-contradictory texts to prove something is like flipping a coin, seeing what the result is and then justifying the result by cherry-picking.

Personally I'm with the deeds not words/beliefs crowd.
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
I can quote scripture to prove that they it's deeds not beliefs that is critical. Using self-contradictory texts to prove something is like flipping a coin, seeing what the result is and then justifying the result by cherry-picking.

Personally I'm with the deeds not words/beliefs crowd.

Facts...

There are plenty of Jesus believers that tell other people to "go back to their country" all the time! I wonder looking at that scripturally, what takes more precedence, telling someone to go back to their country, or their belief in Jesus?
 

whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
Why are there a few people in the Christian religions that claim one must believe in Jesus to be saved?

I will assume this belief also includes the fact that those who do not believe will go to hell?

Both of these beliefs absolutely MUST be false, since Jesus never said any such thing.

What say ye?

Anyone saved will be because of Christ, even those in the Old Testament.

Acts 4:12
And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

The Super Epic Psalms - How the Longest Psalms Point to Jesus
 

David T

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Why are there a few people in the Christian religions that claim one must believe in Jesus to be saved?

I will assume this belief also includes the fact that those who do not believe will go to hell?

Both of these beliefs absolutely MUST be false, since Jesus never said any such thing.

What say ye?
my daughter doesn't even speak so apparently you are only talking to the mentally limited that can..
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Why are there a few people in the Christian religions that claim one must believe in Jesus to be saved?

I will assume this belief also includes the fact that those who do not believe will go to hell?

Both of these beliefs absolutely MUST be false, since Jesus never said any such thing.

What say ye?
unless He is right there leading the way through hell......
you're on your own

story goes....He went to hell....three days
and returned to this world
then ascended into heaven

but first He walked on water

follow Him?

on my best day....I cannot

and if I mention His name as mentor....
the angelic will take me straight to Him

He might say......WHAT is this?

the angelic will excuse themselves....saying
he used your Name
as if it belonged to him
we thought he was one of Yours

and I shall have my day of reckoning
with my Mentor
 

dfnj

Well-Known Member
Why are there a few people in the Christian religions that claim one must believe in Jesus to be saved?

I will assume this belief also includes the fact that those who do not believe will go to hell?

Both of these beliefs absolutely MUST be false, since Jesus never said any such thing.

What say ye?

I think our omnipotent God of unconditional love allows everyone to enter the gates of heaven to experience eternal heavenly bliss regardless of our earthly sins or how we practiced or not practiced our religions. The problem is when we die we face the light of God and look into His infinite beauty. For many people looking into the face of God is too difficult and they turn away. When this happens a person is tortured by demons of their own creation. We are our own worse critics. There are moments where they can atone for their own negative self-image and turn back into the light to experience eternal heavenly bliss. Or they keep turning away from God and travel down the path to reincarnation tortured and tormented by each step suffering the most painful experiences imaginable. There the endless cycle of death and rebirth mercilessly continues with never ending suffering as they are reborn to a body of someone living in New Jersey.
 
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Ellen Brown

Well-Known Member
I can certainly relate.


This present world is discouraging, steeped in chaos, and full of hatred. Thinking a bit...If I can see that outside me, am I not the same?

Perhaps my best reaction to what I see is to do my best to make sure that my own life is pleasing to God, and seasoned with gentleness and love toward others? Is not God admonishing me to strive to please him while not allowing myself to be caught up in all the things that displease God?
 
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