The RCC and paedophilia

[Altfish]

I was at a United Farm Workers conference about 30 years ago, and I was with several priests, and one of them said "We might get into heaven in spite of the Church", and we all laughed in agreement.

The good news at least is that the Church realizes and has finally come to admit this. I wonder how many other Christian denominations have been also willing to do as such?

It will also take deed from the church - they could start by turning over all the files they have hidden in the Vatican, When that happens I'll believe they are taking it seriously.

 

[Revoltingest]

The rate of abuse of priests in the comprehensive 2002 John Jay Report over about 70 years was 0.1% pedophilia among American priests.. "Only 96 of the 4,329 priest offenders were classified by John Jay report as true pedophiles." ...Sexual Abuse of Minors by Catholic Clergy

That's a long read.
After a quick perusal, I didn't see support for the claim.

And this cast doubt on the neutrality of the study....

In response to the scandal over sexual misconduct with persons under age eighteen by members of the Catholic clergy, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops commissioned the John Jay College of Criminal Justice to conduct a comprehensive study of the problem. The study The Nature and Scope of Sexual Abuse of Minors by Catholic Priests and Deacons in the United States 1950–2002, was released in 2004.1 This was followed by Supplementary Data Analysis released in 20062 and the Report on the Causes and Contextstudy in May 2011.3

I'll take a look at this next.

This compares to a conservatively estimated 3 percent rate of pedophilia among the general American male population. Reference: Pedophilia | Psychology Today

An estimated 99.9 percent of American Catholic Priests aren't pedophiles in comparison to the conservatively estimated 97 percent of the overall general male American population, who aren't pedophiles. We should be aware that pedophile is at least 30 times more pervasive among the general American male population than it is within the U.S. Catholic Church.

I'm sick and tired of the smear campaign happening against the pedophilia of American Catholic Priests when in fact pedophilia is at least 30 times less pervasive there in the American Catholic Church than it is within the overall general U.S. male population.

I didn't see support for the claim there either.

 

[metis]

It will also take deed from the church - they could start by turning over all the files they have hidden in the Vatican, When that happens I'll believe they are taking it seriously.

Which files are you referring to, and how do you know they exist is they're "hidden"?

I'm not stating nor implying that such files don't exist, especially since we well know that the bishops way all too often just moved possible offenders to other parishes, which the Pope alluded to yesterday at the Vatican conference, btw.

Not this is an excuse, but we should always remember that this kind of hiding and denials is what the vast majority of organizations, religious or not, tend to do so as to protect the organization. Here in the Detroit area, we have seen this repeatedly within the auto industry. We've seen it repeatedly with political parties. We've seen it with other religious organizations besides the RCC.

With the latter, the RCC has repeatedly admitted its complicity by all too many Catholics, including many bishops, during the Holocaust. Can you name other churches that have done that? I studied the Holocaust in Poland and Israel, including having discussions with both political and religious leaders there, and as far as I know only the RCC has issued formal apologies and have clergy currently monitoring anti-Semitism in eastern Europe. I met the prior bishop in Poland and here in the States who was in charge of answering directly to the Pope on this.

Anyhow, I gotta leave for the weekend, so take care.

 

[Altfish]

Which files are you referring to, and how do you know they exist is they're "hidden"?

I'm not stating nor implying that such files don't exist, especially since we well know that the bishops way all too often just moved possible offenders to other parishes, which the Pope alluded to yesterday at the Vatican conference, btw.

Not this is an excuse, but we should always remember that this kind of hiding and denials is what the vast majority of organizations, religious or not, tend to do so as to protect the organization. Here in the Detroit area, we have seen this repeatedly within the auto industry. We've seen it repeatedly with political parties. We've seen it with other religious organizations besides the RCC.

With the latter, the RCC has repeatedly admitted its complicity by all too many Catholics, including many bishops, during the Holocaust. Can you name other churches that have done that? I studied the Holocaust in Poland and Israel, including having discussions with both political and religious leaders there, and as far as I know only the RCC has issued formal apologies and have clergy currently monitoring anti-Semitism in eastern Europe. I met the prior bishop in Poland and here in the States who was in charge of answering directly to the Pope on this.

Anyhow, I gotta leave for the weekend, so take care.

I'm not sure they still exist as one cardinal said they'd been destroyed...
Cardinal admits Church files on paedophile priests 'destroyed'

 

[Subduction Zone]

BUT there are perverts inside the church (as there are in all walks of life) and the church has compounded the problem by hiding their misdeeds instead of outing and handing them to the police.

And that has been the problem. Instead of turning the offenders over to the authorities the Catholic Church has actively shielded those offenders. Often hiding the problem and leaving the offenders in their positions of power so that the problems continued.

 

[Father Heathen]

It's cute how the church systematically rapes children and covers it up, yet continues to consider itself the authority on morality and still presumes to speak on God's behalf. For folks who believe in eternal damnation, they seem pretty confident that god abides their shenanigans.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

It's cute how the church systematically rapes children and covers it up, yet continues to consider itself the authority on morality and still presumes to speak on God's behalf. For folks who believe in eternal damnation, they seem pretty confident that god abides their shenanigans.

And there's the elephant in the room: the Church's self-proclaimed moral authority.

How can anyone continue to invest any kind of moral authority in an organisation that has failed on so many occasions to address this problem, or to even admit it exists and they are at fault? Even now cardinals are more content to destroy (probably incriminating) documents and blame 'the homosexual agenda' than admitting they might have done something wrong.

 

[Shad]

Catholics hate this more than you do.

Apparent their wallets don't.

 

[sooda]

Apparent their wallets don't.

Not true .. Financial support for the Church crashed in 2002.

 

[Shad]

Not true .. Financial support for the Church crashed in 2002.

I was talking about tithing

 

[Vinayaka]

But the much deeper causal question is why are celibate men working with family people, or in charge of convents? If you want to be celibate, get to a cloistered Trappist monastery and do your silent stuff without working around children and young women. If you want to work in the family communities, get married.

I think this doctrine/dogma is the main actual cause. I think they got it confused centuries ago, and if they allowed for married priests, and women priests, this challenge would lessen. Of course this isn't about to happen, so the RCC is pretty stuck with it.

 

[Cooky]

Exactly....

Christians and Catholics alike are too busy wagging their fingers talking about other religions but aren't focusing on the hypocritical travesty of their own.

Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

Matthew 7:5

What an ignorant post.

 

[Remté]

They should walk away from a doctrine which has covered up abuse for so long.

That is so naive. Should a company automatically be abolished if a handful of employees misbehave?

 

[Remté]

If they don't hate it enough to leave the Church, then they don't hate it as much as I do.

Clearly you have no faith so you don't count.

 

[Father Heathen]

What an ignorant post.

How's it ignorant? Churches have a long history of pretending to be authorities on morality yet in the end it turns out that they're among the worst examples of it.

 

[Father Heathen]

Clearly you have no faith so you don't count.

Faith that is devoid of conscience, reason, integrity, and decency is garbage, and those with such are automatons and they are the ones who don't count.

 

[Remté]

Faith that is devoid of conscience, reason, integrity, and decency is garbage.

Such people are automatons and they are the ones who don't count.

Sure but what does that have to do with the church?

 

[Father Heathen]

That is so naive. Should a company automatically be abolished if a handful of employees misbehave?

If it enables and defends those employees, facilitates and covers up their misdeeds, and allows for it to continue unabated, then yes, the garbage needs to go.

 

[Remté]

If it enables and defends those employees, facilitates and covers up their misdeeds, and allows for it to continue unabated, then yes, the garbage needs to go.

You just made a world without companies, schools, hospitals or families. How depressing and lonely.

 

[Father Heathen]

Sure but what does that have to do with the church?

The church is sustained and perpetuated by such toxic faith.