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Book of Revelation, what is it? Good, or bad? [Vote

Book of Revelation, good or bad?


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TransmutingSoul

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PART 1



THE GOSPEL OF FREEDOM



Christ and Division

Nature of the Holy Spirit

Law and the Tongue

Ungodliness and Love of the World

The Precepts of Men

Nature of Law and Sin

Christ as High Priest

Delivery from Sin

Freedom from the Yoke of Law

The Curse of Being Under Law

Love and Edification


THE HOLY ANOINTING

Faith vs. law

The old and new self

The holy calling

The personality of the child

Covered sins

Strengthen faith


THE ARROGANCE OF SOCIETY

Doctrines of men

Israel and Judah

Mockers and Tempters

The change

REVELATIONS OF THE LATTER DAYS



Part 1 The Servant



-The Little Book

-Divine Woman

-The White Horseman

-The Early Servant

-The Lord's Sacrifice

-Warnings

-Fast of Righteousness

-The Servant will gather the Children

-The Covenant

-Cleanse and Heal

-Gather

-Build Jerusalem

-Build Children

-Cultivate


Part 2 The Lord our Righteousness


-The Red Horseman and the Sword

-Nations will gather

-The Messenger

-The 2 Anointed Ones

-The Flying Scroll

-Patrol of the earth

-Fountain for sin and impurity

-The Sensual one

-There is order in the world

-David

-A renowned planting place

-Elijah

-The Peg

-Red Dragon and the Guilt Sacrifice


Part 3 Transgression and the Antichrist


-The Transgression

-The Ram

-The Goat

-The four kingdoms

-The beast of the sea

-The fourth beast

-Antichrist

-The beast of the earth

-Wickedness

-The Abomination of Desolation


-Without sacrifice

~Locust from the pit

-The fall of Babylon

-The Black Horseman

-War with the Saints

-The first fruits

-The Seven Plagues


Part 4 The Wrath of the Lord


-The great earthquake

-Pour out Spirit

-Gather nations

-Christ in a cloud

-The death of the Antichrist

-Fourth Horseman

-Gather Saints

-The Final Battle

-Punish the proud


Part 1 The 1000 Year Reign and Forever


-Reign of Christ

-Marriage of the Lamb

-The First Resurrection

-After tribulation

-The mountain of the Lord

-Rejoicing

-Gog and Magog

-The White Throne Judgement

-The River and the Tree of Life

Having a look at thise lists, I was astounded I could think of events of the Revelations of the Bab and Baha'u'llah that could be seen to correspond with each of the listed items.

It would be fun to post your list with these points.

If you or anybody is interested, I would be happy to do this.

Regards Tony
 

TransmutingSoul

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Satan did not get cast to the Earth or bound 1,000 years and the Antichrist did not sit in the Third Temple (the 2nd destroyed in 66 AD) making an abomination before 90 AD!
There probably won't be any third temple. When they tried to build on it was destroyed by fire and earthquake

The 3rd Temple is not of brick and mortar. The promised Temple was Baha'u'llah and the Anti Christ was Bahau'llah's half brother who broke the Covernant.

This link is to the 'Tablet of the Temple', the Temple many wait to be built;

Bahá'í Reference Library - The Summons of the Lord of Hosts, Pages 3-54

"...Thus have We built the Temple with the hands of power and might, could ye but know it. This is the Temple promised unto you in the Book. Draw ye nigh unto it. This is that which profiteth you, could ye but comprehend it. Be fair, O peoples of the earth! Which is preferable, this, or a temple which is built of clay? Set your faces towards it. Thus have ye been commanded by God, the Help in Peril, the Self-Subsisting. Follow ye His bidding, and praise ye God, your Lord, for that which He hath bestowed upon you. He, verily, is the Truth. No God is there but He. He revealeth what He pleaseth, through His words "Be and it is"."

Happy to discuss.

Regards Tony
 

sooda

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The 3rd Temple is not of brick and mortar. The promised Temple was Baha'u'llah and the Anti Christ was Bahau'llah's half brother who broke the Covernant.

This link is to the 'Tablet of the Temple', the Temple many wait to be built;

Bahá'í Reference Library - The Summons of the Lord of Hosts, Pages 3-54

"...Thus have We built the Temple with the hands of power and might, could ye but know it. This is the Temple promised unto you in the Book. Draw ye nigh unto it. This is that which profiteth you, could ye but comprehend it. Be fair, O peoples of the earth! Which is preferable, this, or a temple which is built of clay? Set your faces towards it. Thus have ye been commanded by God, the Help in Peril, the Self-Subsisting. Follow ye His bidding, and praise ye God, your Lord, for that which He hath bestowed upon you. He, verily, is the Truth. No God is there but He. He revealeth what He pleaseth, through His words "Be and it is"."

Happy to discuss.

Regards Tony

Satan Bound

In Matthew 12:22-30, Jesus cast a demon out of a man. The Pharisees insisted it was by the power of the Devil. Jesus logically demonstrated the fallacy of Satan casting out Satan.

He then challenged them "how can one enter into a strong man's house and spoil his goods except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house."

Jesus' power to cast out demons demonstrated two facts: the imminence of the kingdom (v. 28); and the binding of Satan (v. 29). Satan was being bound by Jesus!

When the Lord sent seventy disciples out on a "missionary tour" he empowered them to cast out demons, heal the sick, and raise the dead (Luke 10).

Their message was "The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you" (v. 9). When they returned they were ecstatic: "Lord even the devils are subject unto us through thy name." He responded "I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven."
 

TransmutingSoul

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Satan Bound

In Matthew 12:22-30, Jesus cast a demon out of a man. The Pharisees insisted it was by the power of the Devil. Jesus logically demonstrated the fallacy of Satan casting out Satan.

He then challenged them "how can one enter into a strong man's house and spoil his goods except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house."

Jesus' power to cast out demons demonstrated two facts: the imminence of the kingdom (v. 28); and the binding of Satan (v. 29). Satan was being bound by Jesus!

When the Lord sent seventy disciples out on a "missionary tour" he empowered them to cast out demons, heal the sick, and raise the dead (Luke 10).

Their message was "The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you" (v. 9). When they returned they were ecstatic: "Lord even the devils are subject unto us through thy name." He responded "I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven."

I have personally chosen to get to know and Love Jesus Christ, in all God's Names. After all 'Christ' is the First and will be the Last.

To me that is a far far better love of Christ than using the satan face slap against all others.

Regards Tony
 

sooda

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I have personally chosen to get to know and Love Jesus Christ, in all God's Names. After all 'Christ' is the First and will be the Last.

To me that is a far far better love of Christ than using the satan face slap against all others.

Regards Tony

I was referring to Satan being bound in Revelation.
 

TransmutingSoul

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I was referring to Satan being bound in Revelation.

Thanks for the clarification. These days when one shows a Love for Christ outside main stream, the fundamental reply starts with satan.

Thus I see the binding of satan was by the Covenant of Baha'u'llah. Dispite many attempts to break the faith into sects, they will never succeed.

Given that Baha'u'llah says another Mesenger will come after a full 1000 years, my guess is that our ego will overtake the goals of the Baha'i Faith as well.

Will we ever learn? I see this matrix will always be a test of choices.

Regards Tony
 

sooda

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Thanks for the clarification. These days when one shows a Love for Christ outside main stream, the fundamental reply starts with satan.

Thus I see the binding of satan was by the Covenant of Baha'u'llah. Dispite many attempts to break the faith into sects, they will never succeed.

Given that Baha'u'llah says another Mesenger will come after a full 1000 years, my guess is that our ego will overtake the goals of the Baha'i Faith as well.

Will we ever learn? I see this matrix will always be a test of choices.

Regards Tony

I know NOTHING about the Bahai faith.
Bahá'í Faith - Wikipedia
 

TransmutingSoul

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I know NOTHING about the Bahai faith.
Bahá'í Faith - Wikipedia

That is why 1844 and 1260 in Revelation have not sparked an interest.:)

When I first read of this it truly amazed me.

Remember Daniel is confirmed by Revelation.

Times, time and half a time.
Three and one half years
42 months
1260 days

Are all 1260 years in biblical prophecy.

The year 1260 is also the year 1844.

The Year 1260 was when the Bab declared and prepared the way for Baha'u'llah. The Muslim faith was thus fulfilled in the year 1260. The Two Witnesses were Muhammad and Ali, they were to give prophecy for 1260 years.

There is so much proof of prophecy fulfilled that a truck can not carry it :D

Regards Tony
 

sooda

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That is why 1844 and 1260 in Revelation have not sparked an interest.:)

When I first read of this it truly amazed me.

Remember Daniel is confirmed by Revelation.

Times, time and half a time.
Three and one half years
42 months
1260 days

Are all 1260 years in biblical prophecy.

The year 1260 is also the year 1844.

The Year 1260 was when the Bab declared and prepared the way for Baha'u'llah. The Muslim faith was thus fulfilled in the year 1260. The Two Witnesses were Muhammad and Ali, they were to give prophecy for 1260 years.

There is so much proof of prophecy fulfilled that a truck can not carry it :D

Regards Tony

Daniel, the hero of the Book of Daniel, never existed.
The authors reveal their true identity at the end of Daniel 12: they are the maskil, the "wise".
 

TransmutingSoul

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Daniel, the hero of the Book of Daniel, never existed.
The authors reveal their true identity at the end of Daniel 12: they are the maskil, the "wise".

That is the great thing about life. Faith is our choices. We have the choice also of what is wisdom.

Regards Tony
 

URAVIP2ME

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It isn't strange... Yeshua's Elohim (Salvation as a Divine Being) is a manifestation from El Elyon (God Most High).
Yahavah (Lord of Creation) became Yehoshua (Lord who Saves) - Exodus 15:2, Psalms 118, Isaiah 12:2, Isaiah 52:10-15.
In my opinion. :innocent:

The Tetragrammaton (YHWH) only applies to the God as named in the old King James at Psalms 83:18
The two (2) LORD/Lords of Psalms 110 are two (2) different LORD/Lords.
The LORD in all capital letters is where we find the Tetragrammaton.
The Lord, in some lower-case letters ) stands for the Lord Jesus.
Both God and His Son Jesus 'saves' because God set it up that we should have faith in Jesus.
 

URAVIP2ME

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Daniel, the hero of the Book of Daniel, never existed.
The authors reveal their true identity at the end of Daniel 12: they are the maskil, the "wise".
I find in Daniel 12th chapter ( at that time ) would mean the time of 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13.
The ' at that time ' would be the 'last days' of badness on Earth before Jesus takes the action of Revelation 19:14-16.
Daniel 12 is writing about the 'Archangel Michael' (Revelation chapter 12)
Daniel knew he would sleep in the dust ( Daniel 12:2; Isaiah 26:19 ) before he would be awakened from death's deep sleep ' til the end '. Daniel would rest in peace (RIP) until the end of the days. The end of the days of all badness on Earth before Jesus will usher in global Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill, and Jesus' millennium-long day of governing over Earth will begin, then those sleeping in dust (graves) will be awakened from death's sleep on Resurrection Day meaning Jesus' thousand-year day.
 

sooda

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I find in Daniel 12th chapter ( at that time ) would mean the time of 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13.
The ' at that time ' would be the 'last days' of badness on Earth before Jesus takes the action of Revelation 19:14-16.
Daniel 12 is writing about the 'Archangel Michael' (Revelation chapter 12)
Daniel knew he would sleep in the dust ( Daniel 12:2; Isaiah 26:19 ) before he would be awakened from death's deep sleep ' til the end '. Daniel would rest in peace (RIP) until the end of the days. The end of the days of all badness on Earth before Jesus will usher in global Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill, and Jesus' millennium-long day of governing over Earth will begin, then those sleeping in dust (graves) will be awakened from death's sleep on Resurrection Day meaning Jesus' thousand-year day.

Some of us believe Satan is bound since the birth of Jesus.
 

URAVIP2ME

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Some of us believe Satan is bound since the birth of Jesus.

I notice the ' future ' is mentioned at Revelation 20:1-3.
If Satan was bound since Jesus' birth, then how could Satan tempt grown Jesus at Luke 4:5-13.
So, to me the ousting of Satan at Revelation 12:9,12 could Not have happened at Jesus' birth.
For that matter, Revelation was Not written until the end of the first century. ( after Jesus died and was resurrected )
 

sooda

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That is why 1844 and 1260 in Revelation have not sparked an interest.:)

When I first read of this it truly amazed me.

Remember Daniel is confirmed by Revelation.

Times, time and half a time.
Three and one half years
42 months
1260 days

Are all 1260 years in biblical prophecy.

The year 1260 is also the year 1844.

The Year 1260 was when the Bab declared and prepared the way for Baha'u'llah. The Muslim faith was thus fulfilled in the year 1260. The Two Witnesses were Muhammad and Ali, they were to give prophecy for 1260 years.

There is so much proof of prophecy fulfilled that a truck can not carry it :D

Regards Tony

Daniel has been used and abused by the likes of Darby, Scofield, Koresh and Hal Lindsey. We should all back up and take a second look.
 

TransmutingSoul

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The Tetragrammaton (YHWH) only applies to the God as named in the old King James at Psalms 83:18
The two (2) LORD/Lords of Psalms 110 are two (2) different LORD/Lords.
The LORD in all capital letters is where we find the Tetragrammaton.
The Lord, in some lower-case letters ) stands for the Lord Jesus.
Both God and His Son Jesus 'saves' because God set it up that we should have faith in Jesus.

I can say this is one of the stations of Baha'u'llah, YHWH/Jehova is referring to Baha'u'llah who is the Lord of Lord, King of Kings.

Regards Tony
 

wizanda

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The Tetragrammaton (YHWH) only applies to the God as named in the old King James at Psalms 83:18
Psalms 83:18 says Yahavah is Lord of Creation over the earth, and doesn't say he is God; Yahavah is an Elohim, which is a Divine Being/Representative from God.

We've all been lied to, as people have made a mess of the language.

Yah (H3050) is Lord used independently, and Yahavah (H3068) is a two part word; meaning Lord (Yah) who fulfills Desires (Avah - H183) by Creation/Bringing into Manifestation (Hayah/Havah) (H1961/H1933).
The two (2) LORD/Lords of Psalms 110 are two (2) different LORD/Lords.
There isn't two Lords, there is a Lord and a Master, Adoni - H113 is an honorary position; yet not a Lord, Yah - H3050 is a specific terminology.

Matthew 10:24 “A disciple is not above his master, nor a servant above his lord.

Thus Yeshua is the Master above the Disciples, and Yehoshua's Lord is El Elyon.
Both God and His Son Jesus 'saves'
Since most don't actually know our father, then this is where we're trying to explain it.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 
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sooda

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Psalms 83:18 says Yahavah is Lord of Creation over the earth, and doesn't say he is God; Yahavah is an Elohim, which is a Divine Being/Representative from God.

We've all been lied to, as people have made a mess of the language.

Yah (H3050) is Lord used independently, and Yahavah (H3068) is a two part word; meaning Lord (Yah) who fulfills Desires (Avah - H183) by Creation/Bringing into Manifestation (Hayah/Havah) (H1961/H1933).

There isn't two Lords, there is a Lord and a Master, Adoni - H113 is an honorary position; yet not a Lord, Yah - H3050 is a specific terminology.

Matthew 10:24 “A disciple is not above his master, nor a servant above his lord.

Thus Yeshua is the Master above the Disciples, and Yehoshua's Lord is El Elyon.

Since most don't actually know our father, then this is where we're trying to explain it.

In my opinion. :innocent:

Some of the Psalms were lifted from the Poems of the North Coast Canaanites.
 
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