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R. Kelly charged with multiple counts of sexual abuse:

Subduction Zone

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R. Kelly was charged with the same crime over ten years ago. But the victim would not testify. Now there are multiple victims willing to testify and video I believe. I think he is not going to slide this time.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
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It may be that Michael Jackson's greatest achievement was the timing of his exit ...
Except that the people accusing MJ were obviously and blatantly after his money and notoriety, and there was no proof he did anything. He was an easy target because he was seen as "weird". The situation with Kelly is way different.
 

Subduction Zone

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Except that the people accusing MJ were obviously and blatantly after his money and notoriety, and there was no proof he did anything. He was an easy target because he was seen as "weird". The situation with Kelly is way different.
I am not so sure about that. I remember one article that struck home with me, but only because I also have vitiligo.

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1993 child sexual abuse accusations against Michael Jackson - Wikipedia

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blü 2

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Except that the people accusing MJ were obviously and blatantly after his money and notoriety, and there was no proof he did anything. He was an easy target because he was seen as "weird". The situation with Kelly is way different.
I dare say his settlement for a very substantial sum with the parents of a boy who stayed at Neverland contains a denial of liability. I dare say he might have paid up because it was good to get the matter out of the way quietly and quickly and he could afford it.

But it's not nothing. There remain reasonable grounds for suspicion.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
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Except that the people accusing MJ were obviously and blatantly after his money and notoriety, and there was no proof he did anything. He was an easy target because he was seen as "weird". The situation with Kelly is way different.
MJ was.....odd. Not saying that that’s bad, but he did seem a little “off” when it came to children. Perhaps a sign of arrested development due to his own trauma. I don’t know.
But it’s hard to at least not wonder if MJ was around in today’s word of high tech 24/7 inescapable survellience would something have come up?
Again not saying he was guilty of anything, but the guy didn’t exactly do himself any PR favours in that particular department.
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
I dare say his settlement for a very substantial sum with the parents of a boy who stayed at Neverland contains a denial of liability. I dare say he might have paid up because it was good to get the matter out of the way quietly and quickly and he could afford it.

But it's not nothing. There remain reasonable grounds for suspicion.

BS if that was my child being sexually assaulted I'd be in prison. No amount of money would shut me up for wanting justice. Says a lot about the parents.
 

blü 2

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BS if that was my child being sexually assaulted I'd be in prison. No amount of money would shut me up for wanting justice. Says a lot about the parents.
Exactly. But if things are as they appear, they took serious bucks instead.
 

Subduction Zone

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Exactly. But if things are as they appear, they took serious bucks instead.
And Michael already was thought to be a bit off.. What kind of parent would allow their young children to spend the night at a strange man's house? I saw a bit of fault on the part of the parents as well.
 

blü 2

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And Michael already was thought to be a bit off.. What kind of parent would allow their young children to spend the night at a strange man's house? I saw a bit of fault on the part of the parents as well.
No argument from me, by golly! The idea that Michael Jackson was a responsible adult for a sleepover just looks weird from here. On the other hand, I can't recall if the sleepover at the center of that case happened before or after his choice of sleepmates had become publicly known.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
I dare say his settlement for a very substantial sum with the parents of a boy who stayed at Neverland contains a denial of liability. I dare say he might have paid up because it was good to get the matter out of the way quietly and quickly and he could afford it.

But it's not nothing. There remain reasonable grounds for suspicion.
Or he just paid so they would shut up and leave him alone. MJ always struck me as asexual and possibly gender variant, honestly.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
MJ was.....odd. Not saying that that’s bad, but he did seem a little “off” when it came to children. Perhaps a sign of arrested development due to his own trauma. I don’t know.
But it’s hard to at least not wonder if MJ was around in today’s word of high tech 24/7 inescapable survellience would something have come up?
Again not saying he was guilty of anything, but the guy didn’t exactly do himself any PR favours in that particular department.
He created a fantasy world around himself to compensate for his traumatic childhood, yeah. I do believe his love and concern for child was sincere and innocent. It's just that our society is paranoid about "pedos", even though it's relatives you're most likely to be abused by. But if credible accusations emerge, I'll listen.
 

blü 2

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Or he just paid so they would shut up and leave him alone. MJ always struck me as asexual and possibly gender variant, honestly.
I agree that's possible, just not very possible ─ and at @Epic Beard Man said, what kind of parent would take that risk if they knew of his admitted appetite for snuggling with little kids in bed?
 
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