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Should religious parents be involved in their children's school curriculum?

Tranquil Servant

Was M.I.A for a while
I was watching the News yesterday and there were 2 separate reports on schools that were implementing certain teachings and study materials into their school's curriculum which caused religious parents to oppose and protest. One school, in which the school district's community is 99.9% Muslim, Christian, and Jewish, implemented pro LGBT story books into it's reading curriculum. The other school was organizing a play about Darwin and Darwinism. Both of these schools were elementary schools. Should conservative religious parents have the option of being involved in their child's school (elementary school especially) curriculum as long as it doesn't affect their child's grades and school's academic standards? Are these teachings doctrines? And if so, are these doctrines necessary for a child's academic development?
EDIT- the school organizing the play about Darwinism was being protested because one of the song's lyrics in the play (about sexual reproduction in connection with Darwinism) was too sexually suggestive.
Thanx to @ADigitalArtist for the details and clarification.:thumbsup:
 
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Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
I was watching the News yesterday and there were 2 separate reports on schools that were implementing certain teachings and study materials into their school's curriculum which caused religious parents to oppose and protest. One school, in which the school district's community is 99.9% Muslim, Christian, and Jewish, implemented pro LGBT story books into it's reading curriculum. The other school was organizing a play about Darwin and Darwinism. Both of these schools were elementary schools. Should conservative religious parents have the option of being involved in their child's school (elementary school especially) curriculum as long as it doesn't affect their child's grades and school's academic standards? Are these teachings doctrines? And if so, are these doctrines necessary for a child's academic development?

If religious parents don't like what the public schools are teaching their children, they should get school vouchers for private schooling of their liking.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
No. They should act like adults and accept they can't filter and censor the world, and that it is immature and unhealthy to do so (and surely a sign of a very fragile and insecure faith).
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
If religious parents don't like what the public schools are teaching their children, they should get school vouchers for private schooling of their liking.
They shouldn't do that either because tax dollars are not to go to religious programs. If they want to use public money, they can follow the rules and laws like everybody else instead of demanding special treatment and privileges.
 

ADigitalArtist

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Teaching kids not to bully LGBT kids and teaching basic science are necessary for healthy child development.

However, the Darwinian play was not cancelled because of protests about evolution, which is accepted by the majority of Britain including British Christians, but because the lyrics about sexual reproduction in relation to the theory were too sexually suggestive (duh.)
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
They shouldn't do that either because tax dollars are not to go to religious programs. If they want to use public money, they can follow the rules and laws like everybody else instead of demanding special treatment and privileges.

If the overall public is opposed to school vouchers for students of parents, who oppose their public school district's curriculum, then there's the option of home schooling or religious communities forming their own schools. Private chartered schools could provide charitable support for their economically disadvantaged students; these options though would be more costly towards those privately-funded schools than if they were to receive some tax-payer funded assistance.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
If the overall public is opposed to school vouchers for students of parents, who oppose their public school district's curriculum, then there's the option of home schooling or religious communities forming their own schools.
That's what they should do instead of demanding public money to use for private interests that public money otherwise cannot be used for.
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I was watching the News yesterday and there were 2 separate reports on schools that were implementing certain teachings and study materials into their school's curriculum which caused religious parents to oppose and protest. One school, in which the school district's community is 99.9% Muslim, Christian, and Jewish, implemented pro LGBT story books into it's reading curriculum. The other school was organizing a play about Darwin and Darwinism. Both of these schools were elementary schools. Should conservative religious parents have the option of being involved in their child's school (elementary school especially) curriculum as long as it doesn't affect their child's grades and school's academic standards? Are these teachings doctrines? And if so, are these doctrines necessary for a child's academic development?

Everyone has the right to education.

Parents have the God given responsibility to education their children.

I see it is now required that a curriculum that includes virtues and a world language, needs to be implemented throughout the world.

Regards Tony
 

SalixIncendium

अग्निविलोवनन्दः
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I was watching the News yesterday and there were 2 separate reports on schools that were implementing certain teachings and study materials into their school's curriculum which caused religious parents to oppose and protest. One school, in which the school district's community is 99.9% Muslim, Christian, and Jewish, implemented pro LGBT story books into it's reading curriculum. The other school was organizing a play about Darwin and Darwinism. Both of these schools were elementary schools. Should conservative religious parents have the option of being involved in their child's school (elementary school especially) curriculum as long as it doesn't affect their child's grades and school's academic standards? Are these teachings doctrines? And if so, are these doctrines necessary for a child's academic development?

If it's a public school, parent have no right to an opinion of being involved in the schools curriculum since the education is publicly funded.

If one wants to incorporate personal ideologies and/or beliefs into educational curriculum, one should enroll their child in a parochial school or teach such ideologies/beliefs at home or in their religious organization.
 
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Skwim

Veteran Member
If it's a public school, parent have no right to an opinion of being involved in the schools curriculum since the education is publicly funded.
Unfortunately, some schools and school districts have decided that intelligent designed will be part of their school's curriculum. Something that deserves to be opposed by school parents and others in the community. So, there are cases in which parents have an obligation to stick their noses into a school's curriculum.

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SalixIncendium

अग्निविलोवनन्दः
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Unfortunately, some schools and school districts have decided that intelligent designed will be part of their school's curriculum. Something that deserves to be opposed by school parents and others in the community. So, there are cases in which parents have an obligation to stick their noses into a school's curriculum.

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Then only reason intelligent design has become a part of the curriculum in these schools is because parents stuck their noses somewhere they didn't belong to begin with.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
Then only reason intelligent design has become a part of the curriculum in these schools is because parents stuck their noses somewhere they didn't belong to begin with.
Whatever the case, it's still reason enough for other parents to get involved in the curriculum.

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TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Umm...that would never work.

The virtues program is worldly and does work.

I see one world auxillary lanugaue taught with ones native tounge, will also come about. At this time it appears to be defaulting to english. What it will be is yet to be known. Mayba a new language?

Regards Tony
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
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The virtues program is worldly and does work.

Perhaps we're talking at cross-purposes here.
I'm not suggesting there aren't worthy programs in this area. I just see no possibility...at all...of any educational program being globally accepted.

I see one world auxillary lanugaue taught with ones native tounge, will also come about. At this time it appears to be defaulting to english. What it will be is yet to be known. Mayba a new language?

There was an attempt to introduce a global language already, and that failed dismally.
English is becoming the default international business language. That type of 'natural' creep is more typical, with some degree of localisation.

However, if you consider my country (Australia), England and the United States...all English speaking countries with a common path of migration...there are quite distinct meanings and intents with words. Extrapolate this out to global levels, and I'm quite sure that a common language is not a path to a single world view on virtues.
 

TransmutingSoul

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Perhaps we're talking at cross-purposes here.
I'm not suggesting there aren't worthy programs in this area. I just see no possibility...at all...of any educational program being globally accepted.



There was an attempt to introduce a global language already, and that failed dismally.
English is becoming the default international business language. That type of 'natural' creep is more typical, with some degree of localisation.

However, if you consider my country (Australia), England and the United States...all English speaking countries with a common path of migration...there are quite distinct meanings and intents with words. Extrapolate this out to global levels, and I'm quite sure that a common language is not a path to a single world view on virtues.

I personally see worthy programs will eventually dominate our collective mind. It is most likley because my view is all embracing, that I see it will unfold in that way :)

I see that future in many world events that are currently embracing our oneness, all the while the decadence of a fruitless unbridled nationalism is dying out.

Esperanto did not make it, as a world language needs to be a collective effort.

Regards Tony
 

lewisnotmiller

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I personally see worthy programs will eventually dominate our collective mind. It is most likley because my view is world embracing, that I see it will unfold in that way :)

Or you're projecting what you want to happen onto what you think will happen?

I see that future in many world events that are currently embracing our oneness, all the while the decadence of a fruitless unbridled nationalism is dying out.

I can think nationalism is fruitless, but still not see a path to a global virtues program. To be frank, my efforts and focus in a global sense would be in getting females access to education. Any education. Basic literacy.

South Sudan isn't implementing a global virtues program any time soon.

Esperanto did not make it, as a world language needs to be a collective effort.

Based on my study of languages, any attempt at a collective effort will be doomed to failure. What would be more likely is the adoption of a single language or some blending of languages because of trade demands.
 

Tranquil Servant

Was M.I.A for a while
Teaching kids not to bully LGBT kids and teaching basic science are necessary for healthy child development.

However, the Darwinian play was not cancelled because of protests about evolution, which is accepted by the majority of Britain including British Christians, but because the lyrics about sexual reproduction in relation to the theory were too sexually suggestive (duh.)
Thanx for the additional info.... not for the duh!:(
And I'm sure more religious parents are opposed to their kids learning about Darwinism than they would like to admit due to the stigma of religion in a secular society.
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Or you're projecting what you want to happen onto what you think will happen?.

As you may be aware, it is Baha'i belief it will happen. What is foretold to happen.

I can think nationalism is fruitless, but still not see a path to a global virtues program. To be frank, my efforts and focus in a global sense would be in getting females access to education. Any education. Basic literacy..

That is a major teaching of the Baha'i Faith and practiced throughout the world. Women are given priority in education

This progressive education for women started in Iran many years ago, very successful, until the revolution.

South Sudan isn't implementing a global virtues program any time soon.
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I would always focus on the good, things can change overnight, as can peoples direction in life.

Based on my study of languages, any attempt at a collective effort will be doomed to failure. What would be more likely is the adoption of a single language or some blending of languages because of trade demands.

The future will show us what it will be, but common sense dictates we all need to be able to communicate effectively.

Regards Tony
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
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As you may be aware, it is Baha'i belief it will happen. What is foretold to happen.



That is a major teaching of the Baha'i Faith and practiced throughout the world. Women are given priority in education

This progressive education for women started in Iran many years ago, very successful, until the revolution.



I would always focus on the good, things can change overnight, as can peoples direction in life.



The future will show us what it will be, but common sense dictates we all need to be able to communicate effectively.

Regards Tony

Well, not much point in us discussing this. I'm talking about what I think will happen based on history and human nature, and you're talking about what you think will happen based on prophecy.

However, I will say that I hope you're right. I just don't think you are.

Cheers
 
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