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The Wild Experiment That Showed Evolution in Real Time

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
After life was created first time i would think what science see as evolution can occurse, There has been some form of creation long long time ago, But not sure it can be called a creator God. maybe a mechanism of sort, but what it was the very first time is something i do not see ( i can not see far enough back in time to see the beginning)

But evolution is not directly wrong in my eyes, but maybe not the only true answer to why we are here :)
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
After life was created first time i would think what science see as evolution can occurse, There has been some form of creation long long time ago, But not sure it can be called a creator God. maybe a mechanism of sort, but what it was the very first time is something i do not see ( i can not see far enough back in time to see the beginning)

But evolution is not directly wrong in my eyes, but maybe not the only true answer to why we are here :)
Evolution doesn't deal with the creation of the first life. That's abiogenesis, and not the subject of this experiment
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
But mice remianed mice. Sorry could not help it. :D:p
They will still be mice. Just not the mouse one might envision once they speciate over time.

Just like we are still Apes. Just not The swinging tree to tree group although I think that would have been a lot of fun. :0)
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
After life was created first time i would think what science see as evolution can occurse, There has been some form of creation long long time ago, But not sure it can be called a creator God. maybe a mechanism of sort, but what it was the very first time is something i do not see ( i can not see far enough back in time to see the beginning)

But evolution is not directly wrong in my eyes, but maybe not the only true answer to why we are here :)
Why do you believe that life was created? What evidence do you have for that belief? Do you accept the obvious, that you are related to other species of animals?
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Why do you believe that life was created? What evidence do you have for that belief? Do you accept the obvious, that you are related to other species of animals?
As a Buddhist as i said i do not see one creator god like they do in christianity, But the very first time universe was comming to life (not this last bigbang) there would be something creating the situation to make it happen. And no i can not prove that what i belive is the ultimate truth or give evidence of the first bigbang that happend. according to Buddha it has been 81 cosmos like this before the one we currently live in. (if that is true or not i can not prove, but i belive it to be)

Yes everything is related to each other is some way, this is the law of karma that Buddha teach. So in previous life i can have been born as animal or plant, that i am aware of. But i do not think or belive human beings are developed from apes.
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
They will still be mice. Just not the mouse one might envision once they speciate over time.

Just like we are still Apes. Just not The swinging tree to tree group although I think that would have been a lot of fun. :0)
Exactly as evolution predicts. Please go look up cladistics.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
They will still be mice. Just not the mouse one might envision once they speciate over time.
But vary the environment more, &/or run the experiment longer, and you'll soon get variations that can no longer interbreed.
Continue, especially in a different environment, and you'll get variations you'd no longer recognize as mice.
 
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Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
But vary the environment more, &/or run the experiment longer, and you'll soon get variations that can no longer interbreed.
Continue, especially in a different environment, and you'll get variations you'd no longer recognize as mice.
True. Yet they will all remain in the same clade.

Thanks to Aaron Ra. Best evolutionary teacher for us lay folks ever! :OD
 

Sapiens

Polymathematician
But mice remianed mice. Sorry could not help it. :D:p
...and you remain a primate, a mammal, a reptile, an amphibian, even a fish. Sorry, I could not help it, that's cladistics for you. :D:p

Why? What mechanism would stop arbitrarily large changes?
Because you never, ever, leave your clade behind no matter how much you change, clades are forever and do not change with changes in species, family, order, phyla, etc.
 
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Dan From Smithville

What's up Doc?
Staff member
Premium Member
This is for all you "but it's never been observed" broken records. I look forward to the various imminent strawmen, handwave-dismissals and willful misunderstandings.

An Unprecedentedly Thorough Evolution Experiment - The Atlantic
This was an excellent article and the work was quite the undertaking. A field scale study that takes the results and ties them to changes in the genes. Fantastic.

I am surprised this has not gotten more responses, but maybe I should not be, considering the solid nature of the evidence the study provides.

It would be cost prohibitive to run an experiment of this size as long as the Lenski experiment has run, but with three to four generations of mice per year, it would be interesting--to say the least--to see what the results would be after 20 years.
 

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Because you never, ever, leave your clade behind no matter how much you change, clades are forever and do not change with changes in species, family, order, phyla, etc.

That'll teach me to write hasty replies and make assumptions... :oops:
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
This was an excellent article and the work was quite the undertaking. A field scale study that takes the results and ties them to changes in the genes. Fantastic.

I am surprised this has not gotten more responses, but maybe I should not be, considering the solid nature of the evidence the study provides.

It would be cost prohibitive to run an experiment of this size as long as the Lenski experiment has run, but with three to four generations of mice per year, it would be interesting--to say the least--to see what the results would be after 20 years.
I'm very pleased you found it worthwhile
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
...and you remain a primate, a mammal, a reptile, an amphibian, even a fish. Sorry, I could not help it, that's cladistics for you. :D:p

Because you never, ever, leave your clade behind no matter how much you change, clades are forever and do not change with changes in species, family, order, phyla, etc.
Yes, your great grandparents will always be part of your family tree, but that says nothing of the changes that ensue as the eons go on.
 
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