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The woman caught in adultery

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
Are you sure of that?

Was that woman actually caught in the act of adultery, or was it a divorced woman who had remarried and had not committed adultery according to the temporal laws of the land, but only committing adultery according to the new teaching of Jesus?

Were the Jewish authorities trying to trap Jesus according to his teaching on divorcees remarrying? It would appear so, for we read in John 8: 3-6; "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?" They said this to trap Jesus, so they could accuse him.

Surely, if that woman had been caught in the very act of adultery with a man other than her legitimate husband, those Jewish authorities would have been bound by the law of Moses to have her stoned to death. And surely her husband would have demanded she be punished for her unfaithfulness?

Amongst the women who followed Jesus, do you know of one who had been divorced and had remarried?

Great post!

Jesus trapped them in their web--if she did commit adultery, they would have had to have watched it, without responding, perhaps even lusting. Boom dog!
 

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
Great post!

Jesus trapped them in their web--if she did commit adultery, they would have had to have watched it, without responding, perhaps even lusting. Boom dog!

And the only woman among those who followed Jesus, that we know to have been remarried, was Mary the mother of Jesus, Joseph and James the son of Cleophas/Alpheaus, who was a young man when Jesus began his ministry, revealing that Mary had remarried when Jesus was still a young boy.
 

Shlomoh

Member
Does the bible identify the woman who was supposed to have been caught in Adultery.

The woman is anonymous as has been pointed out by others here. She is not Mary Magdalene or any other identifiable female in the gospels. The story of the Woman Taken In Adultery is a late editorial addition in John's gospel. Early editions of the gospel don't contain the story
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Does the bible identify the woman who was supposed to have been caught in Adultery.
No... any supposition would merely be a personal opinion. One could be right but, then again, one could be wrong.

The message is that Jesus had the right to throw the stone and didn't... so, in a sense, I am, you are, or anyone can be that woman.
 

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
No... any supposition would merely be a personal opinion. One could be right but, then again, one could be wrong.

The message is that Jesus had the right to throw the stone and didn't... so, in a sense, I am, you are, or anyone can be that woman.

The message is, that according to the law of Moses the woman was innocent of any crime, if she were indeed caught having sex with a man who was not her legitimate husband according to the law of Moses, the Jewish authorities would have been bound by the law of Moses to have her stoned to death, irrelevant as to what Jesus had to say.

They were not slow in stoning Stephen, who taught contrary their scriptures, to death.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
The message is, that according to the law of Moses the woman was innocent of any crime, if she were indeed caught having sex with a man who was not her legitimate husband according to the law of Moses, the Jewish authorities would have been bound by the law of Moses to have her stoned to death, irrelevant as to what Jesus had to say.

They were not slow in stoning Stephen, who taught contrary their scriptures, to death.
I disagree... They were trying to trap Jesus and, as they said "this woman was caught in the act" - and then repeated what Moses said.
 

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
I disagree... They were trying to trap Jesus and, as they said "this woman was caught in the act" - and then repeated what Moses said.

You can disagree all you want too, as that is your god given right. But the fact remains, that she was only caught in the act of adultery according to the new teaching of Jesus, and that is, that she was a divorced woman who had remarried while her original husband was still alive.

As I have said before, if she was caught in the very act of having sex with a man other than her lawful husband, the Jewish authorities would have been bound by the law of Moses to have her stoned to death.
 

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
The woman is anonymous as has been pointed out by others here. She is not Mary Magdalene or any other identifiable female in the gospels. The story of the Woman Taken In Adultery is a late editorial addition in John's gospel. Early editions of the gospel don't contain the story

No, she was not Mary Magdalene, she was Mary the wife of Cleophas/Alpheaus, her second husband, who was the father of James the younger, the brother of Jesus.
 

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
No, she was not Mary Magdalene, she was Mary the wife of Cleophas/Alpheaus, her second husband, who was the father of James the younger, the brother of Jesus.

While on the cross, Jesus said to his mother, Mary the wife of Cleophas, in reference to John his beloved disciple, who he had named ‘Boanerges,’ which means, ‘Son of Thunder.’ See Mark 3: 17. “Mother! Behold your son, then to John he said in reference to his mother, ‘Mary the wife of Cleophas,’ Behold, your mother. From that day forward, the disciple took her to live in his home.

Now why would Jesus, knowing that his mother had a husband and four male members of her family, namely Joseph, James, Simeon, and Jude, place his mother in the care of his beloved disciple, John, who he had named, ‘Son of thunder?’

Acts 1: 14; It was the custom of the disciples after the death of Jesus, to meet and worship with the mother and family of Jesus; [His sisters, etc]. Then after Peter was miraculously released from prison, Peter ran straight to the house where he knew the faithful would be gathered in prayer for his safety, to the House of Mary the Mother of young John, who had been surnamed "MARK," which, according to Young's Analytical Concordance to the Bible, means, "Hammer, or the Hammerer," and John surnamed "Mark," is associated with young John, who Jesus had surnamed "Son of thunder." [Thor]

It was not uncommon for the men of Galilee to be given three names, one in Hebrew, one in Greek and one in Aramaic. Joseph ben Heli, the biological father of Jesus, was the son of Alexander Helios III-Heli, a father of renown, who Herod had eliminated as a threat to his throne in 13 B.C., Cleophas, the masculine form of ‘Cleopatra,’ means “Of a renown Father,” while ‘Alpheaus,’ is the Aramaic of the same meaning, “Of a renown Father.”

Alpheaus and Cleophas, in Young’ s Analytical Concordance Subject Guide, are said to be one and the same person: From the Subject Guide; “Cleophas, husband of Mary, also called Alpheaus.”

Joseph the son of Heli, father of Jesus and half-brother to Mary, who was also called Alpheaus and Cleophas, and who the disciples were to later surname Barnabas, was a Macedonian native of Cyprus, where he possessed land (Acts 4:36, 37), which he sold, giving the proceeds to the church in Jerusalem.

Paul and Barnabas were appointed as missionaries to Asia Minor. It was in this capacity, and taking with them, young John who was surnamed “Mark,” who was the adopted son of Mary the half-sister of Joseph who had been surnamed Barnabas, they visited Cyprus and some of the principal cities of Pamphylia, Pisidia, and Lycaonia (Acts 13:14).

ανεψιος [anepsios] appears only the one time in the New Testament: In Young’s Literal Translation its meaning is “Nephew,” Salute you doth Aristarchus, my fellow-captive, and Marcus, the nephew of Barnabas, In the King James Version, it is translated “Sister’s son.” Marcus, sister’s son to Barnabas. Revealing that Joseph the Levite from Cyprus, who the disciples had surnamed Barnabas, had a sister who was the mother of Mark

After they had returned to Antioch from the Jerusalem council and after spending some time there (15:35), Paul asked Barnabas to accompany him on another journey (15:36). Barnabas wished to take John surnamed Mark along, but Paul did not, as he had left them on the former journey (15:37-38). The dispute ended by Paul and Barnabas taking separate routes. Paul took Silas as his companion, and journeyed through Syria and Cilicia; while Barnabas took John surnamed Mark to visit Cyprus and the land of Pamphylia, where today, in the town of Ephesus, the grave sites of Mary the [Half-sister] of Joseph/Barnabas and John the beloved disciple, can still be visited.
 

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
Continued from previous post.

Did Joseph ben Jacob, Mary’s first husband and Father to young Joseph the second son of Mary of whom we know so little, DIE, or was he still alive at the time of the death of Jesus who was Mary’s firstborn son?

John 19: 41; Joseph of Arimathea, laid the body of Jesus in a new tomb in which no one had ever been buried. And Luke 23: 53; Joseph of Arimathea, who is believed by many to be the half-brother of Jesus, laid the body of his half brother in his own "FAMILY TOMB WHICH HAD NEVER BEEN USED," which would suggest that his father was still alive.

If this is the case, then we would be faced with the fact that Joseph ben Jacob, her first husband, must have divorced Mary at some period, shortly after she had borne to him a son, before issuing her with a bill of divorce, a copy of which, would have been kept in the filing systems of the scribes in the Temple, and it would appear that Joseph, who wanted to live in Judea after returning from Egypt, had raised his son and namesake "Joseph the son of Mary" by himself in the town of Arimathea: this being the reason why so little is known of Joseph the son of Mary, and why James the younger of her three biological sons, is always placed before Joseph, her second born son.

But if Mary had remarried while her past husband was still alive, which was absolutely legal according to the law of Moses in those days, as it is today, she would have been seen to be living in a state of adultery according to the new and controversial teaching of Jesus, which stated that anyone who remarries while their current spouse is still alive, they are committing adultery, and the Jewish authorities would have been right onto him. This is of course, exactly what we see in scripture.

The religious authorities of those days were always looking for ways that they might trap Jesus according to his own teaching and then accuse him to the people, and it was after Jesus had been preaching that if a divorced person remarried while their original spouse was still alive, they were committing adultery, that the hypocritical priests having access to the documents, and bills of divorce in the Temple, thought that they had the means whereby they could make Jesus appear to the people to have one law for himself and another for everyone else.

Pointing to his mother, who was among the women who followed and ministered to the great teacher, who was setting Israel on fire, they said to Jesus in their most patronising voice, "Teacher, this woman has been caught in the very act of adultery." (This was according to the new teaching of Jesus) "In our law Moses commanded that such a woman must be stoned to death. Now, what do you say?" They said this in order to trap Jesus and accuse him to the people. See John 8: 1 to 11.

Jesus knew what those hypocrites were up to. Those hypocrites who thought nothing of stoning the innocent Stephen to death, were bound by the law of Moses to stone this woman to death if she had indeed been caught in the very act of sexual intercourse with a man other than he, too who she was legally married at that time, which was not the case, as she was guilty of no crime according to the temporal laws of the land.

Jesus turned the tables on them by saying, "He who is without sin may cast the first stone." Then he bent down and wrote something in the dust, perhaps he may have written, "As ye judge, so shall ye be judged." Most men in those days, who had been given by Moses the right to issue their wives with a bill of divorce, had done so and taken younger wives, and according to the new teaching of Jesus, they would have been as guilty as the woman that they were falsely accusing, and the hypocrites knowing full well that the woman had not broken the Law of Moses and was innocent of any crime according to their own teachings, they were forced to walk away with their tails between their legs, thereby admitting to the people that they were not without sin.

Jesus then turned to his mother and asked, "Is there no one left to condemn you?" No one Lord she answered. "Well then," said Jesus, "I do not condemn you either. Go, but don’t sin again," and it was for this reason that the mother of Jesus chose to remain separate from her husband Cleophas and his children, Simeon, Judas, and James the younger: and this is the reason why, on the cross, Jesus entrusted his mother, "Mary the wife of Cleophas," into the care of his beloved disciple John.

Her husband Cleophas/Alpheaus and his son James, with ‘Simeon and Jude, did not abandon Mary, but rather, it was she who abandoned them in obedience to her firstborn, and spent the rest of her life in the home of John the beloved disciple of Jesus, until she died in the land of Pamphylia, where today, in the town of Ephesus, the grave sites of Mary the [Half-sister] of Joseph ben Heli, (The biological father of Jesus) and John the beloved disciple, can still be visited.
 
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Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
The message is, that according to the law of Moses the woman was innocent of any crime, if she were indeed caught having sex with a man who was not her legitimate husband according to the law of Moses, the Jewish authorities would have been bound by the law of Moses to have her stoned to death, irrelevant as to what Jesus had to say.

They were not slow in stoning Stephen, who taught contrary their scriptures, to death.

Not so fast, when the woman was brought to Christ Jesus to ask of him, whether the woman should be stoned for her adultery.

Jesus knew the law of Moses, that in the law as stated in the book of Leviticus 20:10---"And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death"

Therefore without the man, there is no case of Adultery.
That they couldn't stone the woman without man there also.
 
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Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
You can disagree all you want too, as that is your god given right. But the fact remains, that she was only caught in the act of adultery according to the new teaching of Jesus, and that is, that she was a divorced woman who had remarried while her original husband was still alive.

As I have said before, if she was caught in the very act of having sex with a man other than her lawful husband, the Jewish authorities would have been bound by the law of Moses to have her stoned to death.


Not so fast, when the woman was brought to Christ Jesus to ask of him, whether the woman should be stoned for her adultery.

Jesus knew the law of Moses, that in the law as stated in the book of Leviticus 20:10---"And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death"

Therefore without the man, there is no case of Adultery.
That they couldn't stone the woman without man there also.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
I disagree... They were trying to trap Jesus and, as they said "this woman was caught in the act" - and then repeated what Moses said.


Not so fast, when the woman was brought to Christ Jesus to ask of him, whether the woman should be stoned for her adultery.

Jesus knew the law of Moses, that in the law as stated in the book of Leviticus 20:10---"And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death"

Therefore without the man, there is no case of Adultery.
That they couldn't stone the woman without man there also.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Great post!

Jesus trapped them in their web--if she did commit adultery, they would have had to have watched it, without responding, perhaps even lusting. Boom dog!


Not so fast, when the woman was brought to Christ Jesus to ask of him, whether the woman should be stoned for her adultery.

Jesus knew the law of Moses, that in the law as stated in the book of Leviticus 20:10---"And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death"

Therefore without the man, there is no case of Adultery.
That they couldn't stone the woman without man there also.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Not so fast, when the woman was brought to Christ Jesus to ask of him, whether the woman should be stoned for her adultery.

Jesus knew the law of Moses, that in the law as stated in the book of Leviticus 20:10---"And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death"

Therefore without the man, there is no case of Adultery.
That they couldn't stone the woman without man there also.

Looking it through a John Gill commentary:

John 8:5

Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should, be
stoned

Not in ( Leviticus 20:10 ) ; for though according to the law there, an adulteress, one that was a married woman, and so an adulterer, that was a married man, were to be put to death; yet the death was not stoning, but strangling; for it is a rule with the Jews F7, that where death is simply mentioned (without restraining it to any particular kind) strangling is intended, and which rule they apply to this law: and accordingly in their Misna, or oral law, one that lies with another man's wife, is reckoned among those that are to be strangled F8: Kimchi indeed says F9, that adulteresses, according to the law, are to be stoned with stones; but then this must be understood of such as are betrothed, but not married; and such a person, Moses has commanded in the law, to be stoned, ( Deuteronomy 22:23 Deuteronomy 22:24 ) . And with this agree the traditions of the Jews F11;

This they said, tempting him
For they brought this woman, and exposed her in this manner, not because of their abhorrence and detestation of the sin; nor did they put the above question to Christ, out of their great respect to the law of Moses; which in many instances, and so in this, they in a great measure made void, by their traditions; for they say, that for such an offence as adultery, they did not put to death, nor beat, unless there was a previous admonition; the use of which was, to distinguish between presumptuous sins, and wilful ones F13; but if there was no admonition, and the woman, even a married woman, if she confessed the crime, all her punishment was to have her dowry taken from her, or to go away without it F14: now these masters say nothing about the admonition, nor do they put the question, whether this woman was to be dealt with according to their traditions, or according to the law of Moses? but what was the sense of Christ, whether Moses's law was to be attended to, or whether he would propose another rule to go by? and their view in this was,

that they might have to accuse him;
that should he agree with Moses, then they would accuse him to the Roman governor, for taking upon him to condemn a person to death, which belonged to him to do; or they would charge him with severity, and acting inconsistently with himself, who received such sort of sinners, and ate with them; and had declared, that publicans and harlots would enter into the kingdom of heaven, when the Scribes and Pharisees would not; and if he should disagree with Moses, then they would traduce him among the people, as an enemy to Moses and his law, and as a patron of the most scandalous enormities:
 

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
Not so fast, when the woman was brought to Christ Jesus to ask of him, whether the woman should be stoned for her adultery.

Jesus knew the law of Moses, that in the law as stated in the book of Leviticus 20:10---"And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death"

Therefore without the man, there is no case of Adultery.
That they couldn't stone the woman without man there also.

Believe as you will. But now you know that Mary the mother of Jesus conceived James the brother of Jesus to Alpheaus-Cleophas, when Jesus was a young lad, and for some reason unknown to YOU, she abandoned, her second husband and her children, to live in the house of John the beloved disciple, who was surnamed "MARK the Hammerer," and that the grave sites of Mary and John can still be visited in the town of Ephesus.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Believe as you will. But now you know that Mary the mother of Jesus conceived James the brother of Jesus to Alpheaus-Cleophas, when Jesus was a young lad, and for some reason unknown to YOU, she abandoned, her second husband and her children, to live in the house of John the beloved disciple, who was surnamed "MARK the Hammerer," and that the grave sites of Mary and John can still be visited in the town of Ephesus.

Well seeing you haven't a clue or idea, that are two Mary's being spoken of.
Buy the question is, Who's, who, That's the question can you answer.

Let's see if you can figure out Who', who
 

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
Well seeing you haven't a clue or idea, that are two Mary's being spoken of.
Buy the question is, Who's, who, That's the question can you answer.

Let's see if you can figure out Who', who

The Scriptures reveal that there were only two women by the name 'MARY,' at the crufixion, the burial, and the empty tomb of Jesus, and they are as follows.

Luke 24: 10; does not name the women at the cross of Jesus, nor does he name the women at the burial of Jesus, but he does name the two women by the name “Mary,” who went to the empty tomb on Sunday morning and they were Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James (The brother of the Lord.)

Mark 15: 40; mentions the name of the two women at the cross of Jesus, by the name Mary, as Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James the younger and Joseph, two of the brothers of Jesus who were born of the same womb as he.

Mark 15: 47; Then goes on to say, that the two women by the name Mary, who watched the burial of Jesus, were Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joseph, the second son of Mary who was sired by Joseph the son of Jacob, the first husband of Mary.

Then at the empty tomb, Mark 16: 1; identifies the two women by the name Mary as, Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James the younger of her three biological sons, “Jesus, Joseph, and James the younger.”

Matthew 27: 56 reveals the names of two of the women at the cross of Jesus and they are, Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, two of the three biological sons of Mary, the third and first born, being Jesus himself.

Then in 27: 61; Matthew identifies the two women who witnessed the burial of Jesus, as Mary Magdalene and the “OTHER” Mary. By saying the “OTHER” Mary, he reveals that there are only two women present by the name Mary, not three or more, but only two, and that the “OTHER” Mary he is referring to is Mary the mother of James and Joseph, who he already stated was at his cross.

Matthew reinforces this by stating that at the empty tomb of Jesus, the only two women present by the name Mary, were Mary Magdalene and the “OTHER” Mary, who we know from Matthew 27: 56; to be Mary the biological mother of Jesus, Joseph and James the younger.

This reveals that the gospel authors, have only two women by the name Mary at the crucifixion, burial, and empty tomb of Jesus, and they are Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Jesus, James and Joseph.

John 19: 25; Reveals who those two women by the name Mary are and what their relationship to each other is, when he says, “Standing close to the cross of Jesus, were his mother and his mother’s adelphe (And they are), Mary the mother of Jesus, who is the wife of Cleophas, her second husband, and her adelphe, Mary Magdalene.
 
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