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Loving the Lord thy Love

Fool

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ALL in all
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Disciple of Jesus said:
God is talking to 'angels', gods of the nations, in that Psalm.
Jesus is actually saying that He is above even these celestial beings, Angels. Jesus isn't isn't calling any people gods.
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jesus is like melchizedek, the priest of God Most High. if people are the light of the world, they are angels, beings of light.

are you denying the name? are you assigning god a place?


because if you are, isaiah has a message for you.....isaiah 66





Jeremiah 23:24
Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the Lord. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the Lord.


Ps 139:6-Ps 139:16 KJV Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high, I cannot attain unto it. Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence? If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there. If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea; Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me.

If I say, Surely the darkness shall cover me; even the night shall be light about me. Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee. For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb. I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well. My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret…


Colossians 3:11
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Ephesians 4:6
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
 
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Desert Snake

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savagewind said:
Can you share the difference with us, please? What is he saying it means and what difference is the Greek version?
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The English seems to leave an ambivalence about Jesus 'being all', [whatever that means], the greek version doesn't seem to.
They both seem to suggest, 'in all', though, of course, Christ is in the church, present with the Believers, so forth.

I suspect that the English translators were not thinking any reader was going to think it meant that Jesus literally is everything, or everyone. Or even in everyone.

As well, 'in Christ', reads to me, as, those in Christ, the Church. Not 'everyone', other faiths, or what not. The names, greek, barbarian, such, these are descriptions of people adhering to Jesus, who are adhering to Jesus. Who are Believers, in other words. Not non'believers.

All the Believers, whatever their background, are one in Christ.
 
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Disciple of Jesus said:
The English seems to leave an ambivalence about Jesus 'being all', [whatever that means], the greek version doesn't seem to.
They both seem to suggest, 'in all', though, of course, Christ is in the church, present with the Believers, so forth.

I suspect that the English translators were not thinking any reader was going to think it meant that Jesus literally is everything, or everyone. Or even in everyone.

As well, 'in Christ', reads to me, as, those in Christ, the Church. Not 'everyone', other faiths, or what not. The names, greek, barbarian, such, these are descriptions of people adhering to Jesus, who are adhering to Jesus. Who are Believers, in other words. Not non'believers.

All the Believers, whatever their background, are one in Christ.
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The original seems to say that Christ is THE all. Colossians 3:11 Greek Text Analysis I do believe that God can cause a nonbeliever to do God's will. You seem to be limiting the power of God.


Do you believe God is love? Do you think that unbelievers do not love?
 
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savagewind

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It is certainly possible that a believer not do the will of God. Isn't it @Disciple of Jesus? But, according to you, if an unbeliever does the will of God, does it count for being done, in your opinion?
 
savagewind

savagewind

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Disciple of Jesus said:
Colossians 3:10
There is a context.
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But, you seem to be assuming that only the group of ones who are made new recognize their own group as one. But, it isn't made clear. I can see that the new person sees ALL as possibly one. ALL working together no matter what any of them have promised God or not promised God.
 
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Desert Snake

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Fool

Fool

ALL in all
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Disciple of Jesus said:
Try reading it literally, and in context.

'Here', us your first clue. Not everywhere. The first word of the verse refutes your interpretation. Which considering everything else in the Bible, is too different to even entertain.
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context would involve in relationship to the whole of the bible.

like jeremiah puts it.

Jeremiah 23:24
Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the Lord. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the Lord.
 
savagewind

savagewind

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Disciple of Jesus said:
Try reading it literally, and in context.

'Here', us your first clue. Not everywhere. The first word of the verse refutes your interpretation. Which considering everything else in the Bible, is too different to even entertain.
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Strong's Greek: 3699. ὅπου (hopou) -- where

hopou: where
Original Word: ὅπου
Part of Speech: Adverb
Transliteration: hopou
Phonetic Spelling: (hop'-oo)
Definition: where


Usage: where, whither, in what place.

above (1), place (1), since (1), there (2), whenever (1), where (61), whereas (1), wherever (3), wherever* (8), which (5).
 
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