Pure Consciousness and Mindfulness

[Fool]

Pure consciousness = mindfulness = unconditional spirit(mind) of love?, or holy ghost in christianity? holy mind(spirit)



"He who has no attachments can really love others, for his love is pure and divine". - krishna


behold I AM always with you and you, you were always on my mind.


Proverbs 4:23
Keep your heart with all vigilance, for from it flow the springs of life.

1 Corinthians 2:16
“For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

 

[aurisadhibeo]

Pure consciousness =

Cool story.

 

[ajay0]

Pure consciousness = mindfulness = unconditional spirit(mind) of love?, or holy ghost in christianity? holy mind(spirit)

Yeah, this has occured to me earlier too.

Nirguna Brahman as in impersonal pure consciousness is identified with Spirit in Hinduism and can be considered equivalent to Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit in Christianity.

 

[Thief]

"He who has no attachments can really love others, for his love is pure and divine". - krishna

no attachments?^^^^^^^.......followed by


attachments.....
behold I AM always with you and you, you were always on my mind.

 

[Fool]

Yeah, this has occured to me earlier too.

Nirguna Brahman as in impersonal pure consciousness is identified with Spirit in Hinduism and can be considered equivalent to Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit in Christianity.

so the Father would be Nirguna and the sons would be saguna? you and i are sagunas?

 

[ajay0]

so the Father would be Nirguna and the sons would be saguna? you and i are sagunas?

Imho, the Father and Son are Saguna Brahman, or pure consciousness with personal attributes.

It is the Spirit that is Nirguna Brahman or impersonal pure consciousness.

 

[Fool]

Imho, the Father and Son are Saguna Brahman, or pure consciousness with personal attributes.

It is the Spirit that is Nirguna Brahman or impersonal pure consciousness.

in my understanding the word used, Father, can also mean originator, which could be likened to the uncreated creator, example the 7 notes arise in the octave from silence; which exist prior to their existence, in between them, through them, and coming to the end. a double -0-, or 8

 

[Thief]

so the Father would be Nirguna and the sons would be saguna? you and i are sagunas?

have you recited the Lord's Prayer?

Our Father.....

your Father
my Father

brothers are we?.........sons of God?

and heaven heard you when you said it
so too the devil

 

[ajay0]

you and i are sagunas?

You and I are personalised forms of Brahman all right, but we are distinct from God or Son (Jesus-Buddha-Mansur Al Hallaj) in the sense that we are in impure consciousness due to cravings and aversions while God and the Son are not.

 

[Salvador]

Pure consciousness = mindfulness = unconditional spirit(mind) of love?, or holy ghost in christianity? holy mind(spirit)



"He who has no attachments can really love others, for his love is pure and divine". - krishna


behold I AM always with you and you, you were always on my mind.


Proverbs 4:23
Keep your heart with all vigilance, for from it flow the springs of life.

1 Corinthians 2:16
“For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

I don't care where I go
When I'm with J.C.
When I cry, He won't laugh
'Cause He knows me

I'm with J.C., He's with me
I''m with J.C., He's with me
Cause He gave me the love
Love that I never had
Yes, He gave me the love
Love that I never had

He and I don't pretend
We forsake love
I can't feel any more
Than I'm singing, yeah

I'm with J.C., He's with me
I'm with J.C., He's with me
'Cause He gave me the love
Love that I never had
He gave me the love
Love that I never had

Come so far when you think
Of my fall
You can't buy what we made
You and I, oh

I'm with J.C, He's with me
I'm with J.C., He's with me
'Cause He gave me the love
Love that I never had
Yes, He gave me the love
Love that I never had
He gave me the love
Love that I never had

I don't care where I go
When there's J.C. I do follow.

 

[Fool]

have you recited the Lord's Prayer?

Our Father.....

your Father
my Father

brothers are we?.........sons of God?

and heaven heard you when you said it
so too the devil

yes, its an important passage for me. because of the imagery of love in the face of adversity. a table is being prepared for self by love in the face of antagonism by other as self.

when you threaten someone's home, or livelihood, by questioning, you could be attacked because to the believer you're pulling the rug out from under them. they will drag anyone and everyone down with them when they are drowning.

reminds me of plato's allegory of the cave ending.

Imagine once more, I said, such a one coming suddenly out of the sun to be replaced in his old situation; would he not be certain to have his eyes full of darkness?

To be sure, he said.

And if there were a contest, and he had to compete in measuring the shadows with the prisoners who had never moved out of the den, while his sight was still weak, and before his eyes had become steady (and the time which would be needed to acquire this new habit of sight might be very considerable), would he not be ridiculous? Men would say of him that up he went and down he came without his eyes; (2)and that it was better not even to think of ascending; and if any one tried to loose another and lead him up to the light, let them only catch the offender, and they would put him to death. (3)

 

[ajay0]

in my understanding the word used, Father, can also mean originator, which could be likened to the uncreated creator, example the 7 notes arise in the octave from silence; which exist prior to their existence, in between them, through them, and coming to the end. a double -0-, or 8

Paramahamsa Yogananda states in this regard, "The word 'God' means the manifested, transcendental Being beyond creation, but existing in relation to creation. Spirit existed before God. God is the Creator of the universe, but Spirit is the Creator of God."

Here spirit stands for Nirguna Brahman, while God stands for Saguna Brahman. Thus Saguna Brahman rises from Nirguna Brahman.

In the yogic philosophy, the Shivalinga as Saguna Brahman is considered the first form to arise when creation occurs, and also the last form before the dissolution of creation.

The Vedas and Hindu scriptures considers the Shivalinga as representing a huge pillar of light.

Interestingly, as per the Shaivite monotheistic religious sect called the Prajapita Brahmakumaris, the form of the Shiva linga denotes God as a point of light, and who is known as Jehovah, Allah, Ahura Mazda in other religions.

There is an interesting correlation between God and light in the Abrahamic religions as well, and also in Zoroastrianism where fire worship is prevalent.

 

[Fool]

You and I are personalised forms of Brahman all right, but we are distinct from God or Son (Jesus-Buddha-Mansur Al Hallaj) in the sense that we are in impure consciousness due to cravings and aversions while God and the Son are not.

so you believe in unconditional love but don't believe you have the ability to manifest that? even though jesus said you can do all this, and more?


with love all things are possible. love covers all sins.

 

[ajay0]

so you believe in unconditional love but don't believe you have the ability to manifest that? even though jesus said you can do all this, and more?


with love all things are possible. love covers all sins.

Obviously, the potential for enlightenment or Buddhahood or Christhood is there in all human beings.

You are a potential Buddha or Christ or Mansur Al Hallaj yourself. By practice of mindfulness or unconditional love, you can attain enlightenment yourself.

 

[Fool]

Paramahamsa Yogananda states in this regard, "The word 'God' means the manifested, transcendental Being beyond creation, but existing in relation to creation. Spirit existed before God. God is the Creator of the universe, but Spirit is the Creator of God."

Here spirit stands for Nirguna Brahman, while God stands for Saguna Brahman. Thus Saguna Brahman rises from Nirguna Brahman.

In the yogic philosophy, the Shivalinga as Saguna Brahman is considered the first form to arise when creation occurs, and also the last form before the dissolution of creation.

The Vedas and Hindu scriptures considers the Shivalinga as representing a huge pillar of light.

Interestingly, as per the Shaivite monotheistic religious sect called the Prajapita Brahmakumaris, the form of the Shiva linga denotes God as a point of light, and who is known as Jehovah, Allah, Ahura Mazda in other religions.

There is an interesting correlation between God and light in the Abrahamic religions as well, and also in Zoroastrianism where fire worship is prevalent.

jesus implied that light only comes with love.

the ability to see, understand comes after love. love is the key to understanding.if the strong man had known what hour the thief was coming he would have stayed awake and met the one coming with wine and bread.

first you have love and love said let there be light and light was the 1st thing created from the mystery of love, or from the unconditional came the condition of seeing, understanding.

For this people's heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.'

love dwells in infinite darkness and from that arises the light. behold a light has appeared in the darkness and the darkness didn't overcome it because it and darkness are seen as the same thing; which is L-O-V-E. it is yin. it is yang. and they are inexorably entangled together as ONE L-O-V-E


I have seen it, in this twilight, you're my silence
You know baby, in this twilight, I am free
Passion
Chokes the flower
Until she cries no more
Possessing all the beauty
Hungry still for more - delerium - sarah mclachlan

 

[Thief]

yes, its an important passage for me. because of the imagery of love in the face of adversity. a table is being prepared for self by love in the face of antagonism by other as self.

when you threaten someone's home, or livelihood, by questioning, you could be attacked because to the believer you're pulling the rug out from under them. they will drag anyone and everyone down with them when they are drowning.

reminds me of plato's allegory of the cave ending.

Imagine once more, I said, such a one coming suddenly out of the sun to be replaced in his old situation; would he not be certain to have his eyes full of darkness?

To be sure, he said.

And if there were a contest, and he had to compete in measuring the shadows with the prisoners who had never moved out of the den, while his sight was still weak, and before his eyes had become steady (and the time which would be needed to acquire this new habit of sight might be very considerable), would he not be ridiculous? Men would say of him that up he went and down he came without his eyes; (2)and that it was better not even to think of ascending; and if any one tried to loose another and lead him up to the light, let them only catch the offender, and they would put him to death. (3)

I lean back to Job
and then skip forward to the parable of the Wedding Feast

stand before God and heaven and make such recital?
with the devil at my back?

if we are posting about awareness......yeah
I am aware
and my plea of ignorance is gone from me

 

[ajay0]

jesus implied that light only comes with love.

the ability to see, understand comes after love. love is the key to understanding.if the strong man had known what hour was coming he would have stayed awake and met the one coming with wine and bread

first you have love and love said let there be light and light was the 1st thing created from the mystery of love, or from the unconditional came the condition of seeing, understanding.


love dwells in infinite darkness and from that arises the light

Okay, but love is distinct from the ego with its likes and dislikes, cravings and aversions.

I love my family and hate his family, or I love my religion and hate theirs, or I love my country and hate theirs, are all charecterestics of the ego.

The distinction between pure love and ego with its emotional likes and dislikes, is the same as the distinction between pure and impure consciousness. People often misunderstand and misplace the two.

 

[Fool]

Okay, but love is distinct from the ego with its likes and dislikes, cravings and aversions.

I love my family and hate his family, or I love my religion and hate theirs, or I love my country and hate theirs, are all charecterestics of the ego.

The distinction between pure love and ego with its emotional likes and dislikes, is the same as the distinction between pure and impure consciousness.

but when love, or god if you prefer, doesn't become a respecter of person, treats everyone equal, hasn't it become unconditional? isn't this how jesus judged righteously, blind to appearances but not to action?



John 7:24
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

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[Fool]

I lean back to Job
and then skip forward to the parable of the Wedding Feast

stand before God and heaven and make such recital?
with the devil at my back?

if we are posting about awareness......yeah
I am aware
and my plea of ignorance is gone from me

i have sat down at the table with abraham, who was a friend of love, of god.


In this white wave I am sinking
In this silence
In this white wave
In this silence I believe - delerium - sarah mclachlan

 

[ajay0]

but when love, or god if you prefer, doesn't become a respecter of person, treats everyone equal, hasn't it become unconditional? isn't this how jesus judged righteously, blind to appearances but not to action?



John 7:24
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

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God loves all unconditionally, because everyone are personalised forms of Brahman , which is pure consciousness or pure love. There is no distinction.

Those who are virtuous experience more love, but that is because the virtuous uncovers the fact of their innate divinity better than the vicious ones. Mindfulness, pure love or cultivation of virtues all result in expansion of consciousness and greater experience of love.

The virtuous and vicious are all Brahman at varying degrees of spiritual development in the relative plane. At the absolute level, there is no distinction between them as pure consciousness or pure love.