Pastor Kicked Out by His Congregation Over Transphobic Church Sign

[TheresOnlyNow]

Well, the pastor at least knows now that the folks that gather in that building are not Bible believing Christians.
The sign is 100 percent correct.

Jesus told his Disciples, when the Salvation message is not received by those to whom they preach, kick the dust from one's sandals and move on.

This pastor's calling would be wasted were he to stay there.
We were told in the end times people will prefer false doctrine to the truth.
God bless that pastor as he finds a congregation of Christians whom he may serve.

 

[Jollybear]

So you throw out the idea that God is a loving god, and you take the person who's doing the judging - the pastor, in this case - to be God.

No. Misunderstanding.

When you put all the bible together, this is the picture we get: God is loving, but like a parrent, judges and disciplines.

Now in our case, God also commands us to love, but he also authorizes us to make judgements and corrections. But, he wants it done in a non hypocritical way.

Thats the picture when you put the puzzle pieces together.

 

[PruePhillip]

Shhhhh! I know it's ridiculous, since I'm a commie myself. I was just wondering what nonsense was going to come out of PruePhillip's mouth next.
Poe's Law strikes again, I guess.

Have you read anything on China's Cultural Revolution?
I think Western society is trending in that direction.
We will have The Party, we will have The Issue of the
moment (and always an issue to help define the party)
and The Enemy (used to be a class enemy but it will
now be a cultural enemy)

So a guy gets fired in an American campus for stating
there are biological differences between girls and boys.
And a woman gets fired for urging students to appreciate
the language of Byron, Shelley and Shakespeare instead
of searching for power struggles in the text.
Today in Melbourne there's controversy again over the
right of a woman to walk alone and dress as she pleases
due to another young girl murdered. Saying women must
be careful how to dress and where to walk will get you
fired from any media group, university and many large
corporations. Group think is our version of the Cultural
Revolution.

 

[TheresOnlyNow]

Have you read anything on China's Cultural Revolution?
I think Western society is trending in that direction.
We will have The Party, we will have The Issue of the
moment (and always an issue to help define the party)
and The Enemy (used to be a class enemy but it will
now be a cultural enemy)

So a guy gets fired in an American campus for stating
there are biological differences between girls and boys.
And a woman gets fired for urging students to appreciate
the language of Byron, Shelley and Shakespeare instead
of searching for power struggles in the text.
Today in Melbourne there's controversy again over the
right of a woman to walk alone and dress as she pleases
due to another young girl murdered. Saying women must
be careful how to dress and where to walk will get you
fired from any media group, university and many large
corporations. Group think is our version of the Cultural
Revolution.

Responding to that bolded part of your message.
That sounds more like Sharia law imposing itself on the women of Australia.

 

[PruePhillip]

Well, the pastor at least knows now that the folks that gather in that building are not Bible believing Christians.
The sign is 100 percent correct.

Jesus told his Disciples, when the Salvation message is not received by those to whom they preach, kick the dust from one's sandals and move on.

This pastor's calling would be wasted were he to stay there.
We were told in the end times people will prefer false doctrine to the truth.
God bless that pastor as he finds a congregation of Christians whom he may serve.

What if he put up a sign saying he opposes adultery or divorce?
Both are condemned quite literally in the New Testament, so too
is homosexuality - quite explicitly.

What is happening now is that THE CHURCHES ARE LED BY
SOCIETY INSTEAD OF LEADING IT.

 

[TheresOnlyNow]

What if he put up a sign saying he opposes adultery or divorce?
Both are condemned quite literally in the New Testament, so too
is homosexuality - quite explicitly.

What is happening now is that THE CHURCHES ARE LED BY
SOCIETY INSTEAD OF LEADING IT.

True.
Thanks to the response to this pastor posting scriptural and gender truth on that sign, I doubt very much the one to take his place would dare post anything about divorce, allowed in certain circumstances in scripture, or adultery.
That church appears to think there is no such thing as sin anymore.

And that's barring the possibility that this is all bunk.
Remember there are sites that feature church signs you can add your own slogan too.
The "reporting" link wasn't exactly MSM.

 

[Polymath257]

It seems to me, maybe I am wrong, but the more fairer a society
becomes the less loyalty there is to it. I think America is a very
fair society for instance, but there are growing legions of people
who feel that it is racist, sexist, homophobic, oppressive, class
ridden, patriarchal, condescending, imperialist, hierarchical,
transgenderphobic and whatever.

I would say that we are more inclined to fairness, so are more aware of and sensitive to those issues.
America has *always* been racist, sexist, homophobic, class ridden, etc. But before recently, nobody
thought that was a bad thing. Now we do.

I consider that a huge moral advance.

What I mean by 'brands' is that once people could tell you they
were Camel cigarette, Ford motor cars, Omo brand, Coca Cola
and etc.. People were 'brand loyal' once. Does it matter? Maybe.
Does it SAY something? Yes it does.

Sure it does. It means we are less focussed on minor things like labels and more about
the reality behind them.

Again, I see that as a *good* thing.

 

[Polymath257]

What if he put up a sign saying he opposes adultery or divorce?
Both are condemned quite literally in the New Testament, so too
is homosexuality - quite explicitly.

What is happening now is that THE CHURCHES ARE LED BY
SOCIETY INSTEAD OF LEADING IT.

True enough. And probably a good thing. Their leadership wasn't so good when they were at the forefront.
People are recognizing that and deciding the system of morality promoted by such teachings isn't the
moral system that we should be following.

For myself, the decline of churches is a good thing: it shows that people are learning to think morally for
themselves rather than take the word of someone up on a pulpit. It shows that people are rejecting the
immoral aspects that have been around far too long and learning a better morality.

Good for them. I can only hope this is a sign of the times.

 

[Stevicus]

Reads like some liberal, cultural Marxist trope. Except that it's in Ezekiel.
Notwithstanding, Genesis says the sin of Sodom against Lot was the
homosexuality. I suppose there's heavy doses of pride, gluttony, laziness
and widespread poverty in many a city.

So, God is a liberal and a cultural Marxist?

 

[Woberts]

So, God is a liberal and a cultural Marxist?

Now that would be great, lol.

 

[PruePhillip]

For myself, the decline of churches is a good thing: it shows that people are learning to think morally for
themselves rather than take the word of someone up on a pulpit. It shows that people are rejecting the
immoral aspects that have been around far too long and learning a better morality.
Good for them. I can only hope this is a sign of the times.

Do you want a sign of the times? Here's a good one:

2001-2015 Gallop figures on approval rates for moral issues in USA:

Gay lesbian 40 to 63%. Baby outside marriage 45 to 61%. Casual sex 53 to
68%. Divorce 59 to 71%. Polygamy 7 to 16%. Doctor suicide 49 to 56%.
Personal suicide13 to 19%. Gambling 63 to 67%. Abortion 42 to 45%. Married
men having affairs 7 to 8%.

There's a few missing here, such as
mainstreaming of pornography
child sexualization
drug abuse
pedophilia
pederasty
number of children in broken homes
cultural division
disrespect for authority
politicization of the culture
violence rates towards women
etc
etc
etc

Your quote "learning a better morality"
Is that being moral to trees and whales?

 

[PruePhillip]

America has *always* been racist, sexist, homophobic, class ridden, etc. But before recently, nobody
thought that was a bad thing. Now we do. I consider that a huge moral advance.

**mod edit**
People thought racism was a bad thing with the civil war. USA
had the civil rights movement, with its admonishment that we
should not judge a person by the color of their skin. Now we
have on universities white free days, people supporting higher
taxes for whites, whites disenfranchised from political
discussions, whites facing higher SAT score requirements
and so on, so forth.

But more to the point - people who claim America is racist
still want to
a - stay in America
b - come and live in America
c - can't identify any other diverse culture with such tolerance.

In Australia there's talk now of a two tier legal system - aborigines
will face lesser penalties for the same crime. That's racism, just
like the American experience.

 

[PruePhillip]

Now that would be great, lol.

If God was a Marxist then his track record hasn't been that great.
Just look at Venezuela as the latest example of it.
I marvel how people can right revile Fascism for the death of about
55 million people in WWII, yet find no offense in Communism with
a death toll at least three times higher than that - of its own people
in peace time situations.
And I am not sure what Communist countries think of gay marriage,
civil rights, transgenderism etc.. They might just put you in jail, or
worse.

 

[Shad]

Questions? Comments?

The pastor really misread his congregation. Seems more like he was a lecturer rather than a community (congregation) leader and one isolated in his own religious bubble. Good to see the congregation seeing to the removal of someone that does not represent their views.

 

[PruePhillip]

The pastor really misread his congregation. Seems more like he was a lecturer rather than a community (congregation) leader and one isolated in his own religious bubble. Good to see the congregation seeing to the removal of someone that does not represent their views.

A "religious bubble" ????
For crying out loud - this is a CHURCH we are talking about!!

We had this Catholic Archbishop condemned for
"Hate Speech" for promoting the bible's viewpoint
on marriage. Do YOU think the bible is hate speech?

Anti-discrimination complaint 'an attempt to silence' the Church

 

[Subduction Zone]

A "religious bubble" ????
For crying out loud - this is a CHURCH we are talking about!!

We had this Catholic Archbishop condemned for
"Hate Speech" for promoting the bible's viewpoint
on marriage. Do YOU think the bible is hate speech?

Anti-discrimination complaint 'an attempt to silence' the Church

It depends upon how one interprets it. If one thoughtlessly interprets the Bible literally it is full of hate speech.

 

[Shad]

A "religious bubble" ????
For crying out loud - this is a CHURCH we are talking about!!

He held views not endorsed by his congregation. That is his religious bubble in context to the Church community which include the congregation. You are taking bubble far too much as a generalized statement along with the use of religious.

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We had this Catholic Archbishop condemned for
"Hate Speech" for promoting the bible's viewpoint
on marriage. Do YOU think the bible is hate speech?


Anti-discrimination complaint 'an attempt to silence' the Church

The complaint was not by by the Archbishop's congregation. See the difference?

 

[PruePhillip]

He held views not endorsed by his congregation. That is his religious bubble in context to the Church community which include the congregation. You are taking bubble far too much as a generalized statement along with the use of religious.

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The complaint was not by by the Archbishop's congregation. See the difference?

I accept your point.
What sort of congregation is this then?
One of the things you first notice when reading the Gospels
is how narrow minded Jesus was. Everything was folly to
Him. Any thought or venture was vanity unless it was to the
glory of God. Every moral action was judged against a
standard higher than the Old Testament.
What then of people who kick out a preacher for preaching
from the bible?

 

[Shad]

What sort of congregation is this then?


One of the things you first notice when reading the Gospels
is how narrow minded Jesus was. Everything was folly to
Him. Any thought or venture was vanity unless it was to the
glory of God. Every moral action was judged against a
standard higher than the Old Testament.
What then of people who kick out a preacher for preaching
from the bible?

Trinity Bible Presbyterian Church. Beyond that I haven't bother looking.This case is probably due to other issues at the Church, organization and/or denominational level. Perhaps the Church is liberal but hired a pastor that was not. Alternatively the Church has a liberal congregation but is not in doctrine. It could be as simple as the political climate lest the outrage mob attacks.

 

[PruePhillip]

Trinity Bible Presbyterian Church. Beyond that I haven't bother looking.This case is probably due to other issues at the Church, organization and/or denominational level. Perhaps the Church is liberal but hired a pastor that was not. Alternatively the Church has a liberal congregation but is not in doctrine. It could be as simple as the political climate lest the outrage mob attacks.

Agreed. One other thing: the Gospel is not "in your face" and seeking offense
in the manner this pastor did. The Gospel doesn't present what is wrong so
much as it presents what is right (ie Sermon on the Mount.)