Pastor Kicked Out by His Congregation Over Transphobic Church Sign

[Father Heathen]

I dont want to judge any of the parts involved, but should not a priest preach the bibles words? and when he do he get kicked out?
Or should he adapt to what people want to hear because it is comfortable today?

Or people should just accept that ancient goat herders were wrong about most things and leave it in the past where it belongs rather than try to "polish a turd".

 

[Father Heathen]

The sign told the truth. They don't want to hear the truth. He's fortunate in that he is removed from that modern day Sodom.

Here's a question for ya; of all the "sins", why do so many Christians fixate and obsess over homosexuality? Aren't all sins equal in the eyes of god? Why does gambling, drinking, smoking, greed, dishonesty, sloth, gluttony, divorce, fornication, tattoos, etc. so often get a pass (Trump embodies many of these "sins", yet strangely enough is still admired by many Christians)? Christians seem to worry far more about other people's "sins" rather than their own. They loudly bellow that the bible is "truth", but then turn around and cherry pick the hell out of it. Strange that folk who believe in eternal damnation would be so confident that their god would abide such hypocrisy and double standards.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Yet the same people who fire the pastor keep the bible. Looks like a double standard.

The Bible's contradictory enough that nobody can completely follow it, but I see no particular reason to think that the minister, who holds tight to the anti-gay parts of the Bible (and apparently invents his own anti-trans parts) at the expense of the parts that call Christians to charity, is a better Christian than the congregation who favoured the pro-charity parts at the expense of the anti-gay parts.

 

[Cooky]

Here's a question for ya; of all the "sins", why do so many Christians fixate and obsess over homosexuality? Aren't all sins equal in the eyes of god? Why does gambling, drinking, smoking, greed, dishonesty, sloth, gluttony, divorce, fornication, tattoos, etc. so often get a pass (Trump embodies many of these "sins", yet strangely enough is still admired by many Christians)? Christians seem to worry far more about other people's "sins" rather than their own. They loudly bellow that the bible is "truth", but then turn around and cherry pick the hell out of it. Strange that folk who believe in eternal damnation would be so confident that their god would abide such hypocrisy and double standards.

I think it's because a lot of people are just stupid. The lower your IQ, the more likely you are to fixate on certain sins, over others (particularly when you demean one more severely only because you cannot relate).

Personally, I think someone who divorces their spouse is worse than the most flaming homosexual in any given bathhouse.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I believe I like John but have not heard him recently.

He's the type of Pastor that gets into himself and likes puffing up his chest.

Even named the Bible after himself.


The MacArthur Study Bible, NASB

 

[Jollybear]

The Bible's contradictory enough that nobody can completely follow it, but I see no particular reason to think that the minister, who holds tight to the anti-gay parts of the Bible (and apparently invents his own anti-trans parts) at the expense of the parts that call Christians to charity, is a better Christian than the congregation who favoured the pro-charity parts at the expense of the anti-gay parts.

I dont believe its contradictory. The bible is many puzzle pieces that you got to put together correctly or else you will see contradictions. Put a puzzle piece in the wrong spot and not only will it not fit, but the picture will look distorted.

The bible in the hands of a moron is like a gun in the hand of the mentally ill.

 

[Cooky]

I dont believe its contradictory. The bible is many puzzle pieces that you got to put together correctly or else you will see contradictions. Put a puzzle piece in the wrong spot and not only will it not fit, but the picture will look distorted.

The bible in the hands of a moron is like a gun in the hand of the mentally ill.

Hey Jolly, just curious, and I've never taken this side before in 10 years of posting, but doesn't it make sense that divorce is worse than homosexuality since Jesus specifically spoke out against it and said nothing on homosexuality?

 

[Father Heathen]

Personally, I think someone who divorces their spouse is worse than the most flaming homosexual in any given bathhouse.

Because remaining trapped in miserable, loveless, and even abusive marriages makes Jesus squeal with delight? The biblical approach toward sex, love, and relationships is ****ed up, but what would you expect from a book that instructs you on how to sell your own daughter, against her will, into sexual slavery an arraigned marriage?: Exodus 21:7-11

Unlike homosexuality or divorce, slavery is something that's actually bad, yet the bible permits it.

 

[Woberts]

Reads like some liberal, cultural Marxist trope. Except that it's in Ezekiel.
Notwithstanding, Genesis says the sin of Sodom against Lot was the
homosexuality. I suppose there's heavy doses of pride, gluttony, laziness
and widespread poverty in many a city.


They don't read ALL of their bible. Lots of church people these days
don't even own a bible - one is provided if they need it as their church.
Today an elderly couple in my town said they were thinking of leaving
their Anglican or United Church because of its toleration of homosexuality.
Trouble is, they are both divorced and remarried. That's in the bible, too.

>cultural Marxism

lol

 

[Cooky]

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Because remaining trapped in miserable, loveless, and even abusive marriages makes Jesus squeal with delight? The biblical approach toward sex, love, and relationships is ****ed up, but what would you expect from a book that instructs you oh how to sell your own daughter, against her will, into sexual slavery an arraigned marriage: Exodus 21:7-11

Unlike homosexuality or divorce, slavery is something that's actually bad, yet the bible permits it.

Eh, my wife threatens me sometimes, but I just ignore her ignorance and carry on. Sometimes I give her an earful, like last night when I told her she's my property since I bought her for 25 dollars from the courthouse the day we got married. Yeah, she got mad and stormed out of the house. She even hit me with an umbrella on the way out.

...But I'm not mad.

 

[Cooky]

...Maybe one day she will divorce me. But that will be her sin.

 

[Father Heathen]

Eh, my wife threatens me sometimes, but I just ignore her ignorance and carry on. Sometimes I give her an earful, like last night when I told her she's my property since I bought her for 25 dollars from the courthouse the day we got married. Yeah, she got mad and stormed out of the house. She even hit me with an umbrella on the way out.

...But I'm not mad.

Because in the end, it's Jesus' happiness that's important, not yours nor your wife's.

 

[Cooky]

Because in the end, it's Jesus' happiness that's important, not yours nor your wife's.

We have to learn to set our hate aside. And love instead. It is possible.

...At least it is for me.

 

[Father Heathen]

...Maybe one day she will divorce me. But that will be her sin.

So is it a situation that you both want out of, but because of your religious beliefs you're each trying to wait the other out?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I dont believe its contradictory. The bible is many puzzle pieces that you got to put together correctly or else you will see contradictions. Put a puzzle piece in the wrong spot and not only will it not fit, but the picture will look distorted.

The bible in the hands of a moron is like a gun in the hand of the mentally ill.

I can see the parts of the Bible that plainly talk about:

- not judging others
- acting charitably
- not putting stumbling blocks in the way of others.

And you're here telling me that this pastor's judging, uncharitable actions that put a stumbling block in front of gay and trans people are in line with the Bible.

... but you also say that the Bible doesn't contradict itself.

I see two ways to resolve this:

- decide that you were wrong when you said that the Bible doesn't contradict itself.
- decide that the pastor's actions weren't Biblical.

Which option would you prefer?

 

[Father Heathen]

We have to learn to set our hate aside. And love instead. It is possible.

...At least it is for me.

Why do you believe that it's important to god that marriages stay intact even if they're loveless, dysfunctional wrecks, or even horrifically abusive? Can you even say that a marriage without love and devotion is truly real to begin with?

 

[Cooky]

So is it a situation that you both want out of, but because of your religious beliefs you're each trying to wait the other out?

With me, I met my wife in high school, and we spent a lot of loving years together. In fact, we were best friends and were inseperable... It is only recently (the past 2 years) that she has been treating me very disrespectful. I blame her reality TV shows for making her mouthy.

...That's why I told her she's my property. It was revenge

 

[Cooky]

Why do you believe that it's important to god that marriages stay intact even if they're loveless, dysfunctional wrecks, or even horrifically abusive? Can you even say that a marriage without love and devotion is truly real to begin with?

I believe broken marriages must be repaired IMO.

 

[Jumi]

It depends on how people view things.

Well you presented us an outlier... did you not view it as typical or was it just a joke?

 

[Jumi]

I don't think people in a relationship should cheat on their partners.

I agree with you. My point is if it's called cheating then the other person is breaking either a written or non-verbal contract and there's a victim. Plus the children from that have been treated, at least in the "Christian world".... terribly. To say the least.