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Two Creation Accounts?

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
What are the basic teachings of the Exodus?
When being chased by men with weapons, run like hell? :D

On the serious side, I think you pretty much already know some of them, although what's strikes you as being basic might not strike me as being basic and vice-versa. Also, since it's a quite lengthy book, so I'm not even going to even try to get into all those items that could be important.

And if it means nothing to you, then that's all find & dandy as far as I'm concerned: "Different strokes for different folks".
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
What are the basic teachings of the Exodus

The establishment of a theocratic kingdom, under the one God, its the story of the greatest event in the history of the Chosen People. With the Ark and the Tabernacle representing God's dwelling with his people. It is not possible to understand the NT without Exodus.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
The establishment of a theocratic kingdom, under the one God, its the story of the greatest event in the history of the Chosen People.
So, the story of the greatest event in the history of the Chosen People is make-believe. That indicates that the rest of the stories are make-believe also.
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
So, the story of the greatest event in the history of the Chosen People is make-believe. That indicates that the rest of the stories are make-believe also.

Again, without any knowledge or background in literary criticism there is no common frame of reference for an intelligent discussion.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
So, the story of the greatest event in the history of the Chosen People is make-believe. That indicates that the rest of the stories are make-believe also.
That's way too much of an overreach as it is virtually impossible for one to actually know that. Verify or denying things that took place thousands of years ago is pretty much impossible, which is why I don't go that route in my "I'll treat all as being allegorical"-approach.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
In reference to blaming "evil", you stated that I was wrong because I was trying to place a 21st Century mindset back to a primitive mindset. You said "It doesn't work". Then you said "people continue to blame misfortune on evil", thereby admitting that you see no difference between the mindset of people then and people now.
As an atheist with no knowledge of either, you can't.
I see you tap danced away from addressing your confused, self contradictory assertions. That's not unexpected.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
Again, without any knowledge or background in literary criticism there is no common frame of reference for an intelligent discussion.
So, you want to sidestep my comment about Exodus being a made-up story by claiming I have no knowledge or background in literary criticism.

We now have two different subjects where you duck and dodge and tap dance when called out. OK, I'll not waste more time on you.

However, if you can provide evidence from reputable scholars and researchers affirming the Exodus actually occurred please do post it. We'd all love to see it.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
That's way too much of an overreach as it is virtually impossible for one to actually know that. Verify or denying things that took place thousands of years ago is pretty much impossible, which is why I don't go that route in my "I'll treat all as being allegorical"-approach.
You use the term "allegorical", I use the term "make-believe".
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Why the contradiction in the two creation accounts of Genesis 1:1-4:26?

The two creation accounts are given in different order, but that doesn't make them contradictory. The first account is a chronological account (Genesis 1:1-2:4) and the second account is a topical account. (Genesis 2:5-4:26) The first account is a chronological description of the creation of the heavens and earth and it's inhabitants. The second account describes the human race and the fall into sin, introducing various aspects of the story as they are necessary.

I believe there may be millions of years between the first account and second account.

I believe this term has been used to refer to hominus erectus but in the myths it only refers to the Adamic race.

I believe this is technically incorrect. Hominids have been sinful a lot longer that that. It is only the fall into sin of the Adamic race.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Some theologians who have analyzed the writings believe it was likely from two different authors-- what theologians call "variations".

Therefore, for those of us who do not have a blind belief in the concept of inerrancy, what difference does it really make if they're an exact match? There are so many other variations with so many of the narratives, thus the main thing is what's the basic message?

I believe the message is that God created everyone but wanted a special people for Himself.
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
So, you want to sidestep my comment about Exodus being a made-up story by claiming I have no knowledge or background in literary criticism.

What do you think are the benefits of literary criticism, how does is affect ones ability to interpret? No sidestep, it is basic to your question.
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
Why the contradiction in the two creation accounts of Genesis 1:1-4:26?

The two creation accounts are given in different order, but that doesn't make them contradictory. The first account is a chronological account (Genesis 1:1-2:4) and the second account is a topical account. (Genesis 2:5-4:26) The first account is a chronological description of the creation of the heavens and earth and it's inhabitants. The second account describes the human race and the fall into sin, introducing various aspects of the story as they are necessary.
People just need some basic reading comprehension and to understand they're reading a stylized ancient text.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
ecco said:
So, you want to sidestep my comment about Exodus being a made-up story by claiming I have no knowledge or background in literary criticism.

What do you think are the benefits of literary criticism, how does is affect ones ability to interpret? No sidestep, it is basic to your question.

So, everything you know is based on your own original research. You believe the Exodus actually occurred because you went out into the desert and found traces of Jews wandering around.

My heartiest congratulations. I never went into the desert and found nothing. All I could do is rely on the findings and writings of other people who actually did.

Also, I did not know that I had to be a highly trained literary critic to understand that the findings and writings of those scholars who disbelieve Exodus were valid.

On the other hand, you seem to put more credence into the writings of ancient peoples than you do modern-day scholars.
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
Also, I did not know that I had to be a highly trained literary critic to understand that the findings and writings of those scholars who disbelieve Exodus were valid.

You don't. You may stay in your simplistic mindset, stuck in the absurdity of the details.
 
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