Pastor Kicked Out by His Congregation Over Transphobic Church Sign

[Sunstone]

The above transphobic sign got Pastor Justin Hoke of the Trinity Bible Presbyterian Church in deep trouble with his congregation.

He put the sign up sometime around December 31st. In less than two weeks, he was out of a job. His congregation was disgusted with him and they rebelled almost to a person. Every couple in his church -- except one -- declared they would leave the Church if Hoke stayed on as Pastor.

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/01/14/pastor-fired-caitlyn-jenner-man-sign/

Is the response to Hoke's sign a "sign of the times" (pun shamelessly intended)?

Questions? Comments?

 

[JJ50]

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The above transphobic sign got Pastor Justin Hoke of the Trinity Bible Presbyterian Church in deep trouble with his congregation.

He put the sign up sometime around December 31st. In less than two weeks, he was out of a job. His congregation was disgusted with him and they rebelled almost to a person. Every couple in his church -- except one -- declared they would leave the Church if Hoke stayed on as Pastor.

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/01/14/pastor-fired-caitlyn-jenner-man-sign/

Is the response to Hoke's sign a "sign of the times" (pun shamelessly intended)?

Questions? Comments?

What a very sick creep that guy is, I am glad his congregation kicked him out.

 

[Sunstone]

What a very sick creep that guy is, I am glad his congregation kicked him out.

I think it's a sign the times are changing.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Must have used John MacArthur's Playbook.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I dont want to judge any of the parts involved, but should not a priest preach the bibles words? and when he do he get kicked out?
Or should he adapt to what people want to hear because it is comfortable today?

 

[JJ50]

I dont want to judge any of the parts involved, but should not a priest preach the bibles words? and when he do he get kicked out?
Or should he adapt to what people want to hear because it is comfortable today?

Only a very sick person would think there is anything wrong with being gay, the Bible is very WRONG indeed where this issue is concerned.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I think it's a sign the times are changing.

Hey! Even us old geezers can change. I remember when I opposed marriage equality.

At least there is some good news (well, except for the pastor, but even he should be relieved that the low unemployment rate means that even he might find a new job. So good news all around).

 

[danieldemol]

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The above transphobic sign got Pastor Justin Hoke of the Trinity Bible Presbyterian Church in deep trouble with his congregation.

He put the sign up sometime around December 31st. In less than two weeks, he was out of a job. His congregation was disgusted with him and they rebelled almost to a person. Every couple in his church -- except one -- declared they would leave the Church if Hoke stayed on as Pastor.

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/01/14/pastor-fired-caitlyn-jenner-man-sign/

Is the response to Hoke's sign a "sign of the times" (pun shamelessly intended)?

Questions? Comments?

People who lust after leadership are always complaining that liberalism won’t get you followers. I say let such shallow preachers beware the moral fibre of congregations like this one

 

[Spirit of Light]

Only a very sick person would think there is anything wrong with being gay, the Bible is very WRONG indeed where this issue is concerned.

Well if its a sin in the bible Jesus or God must have seen something many do not see to agree with today. But i am not here to judge any christian people or their priests, i just asked a question.
And if i remember right from when i did read the bible, it only say its a sin for those who follow christianity. But i can be wrong on that.

 

[danieldemol]

Well if its a sin in the bible Jesus or God must have seen something many do not see to agree with today. But i am not here to judge any christian people or their priests, i just asked a question.
And if i remember right from when i did read the bible, it only say its a sin for those who follow christianity. But i can be wrong on that.

Something is not true just because the Bible says it is

 

[JJ50]

Well if its a sin in the bible Jesus or God must have seen something many do not see to agree with today. But i am not here to judge any christian people or their priests, i just asked a question.
And if i remember right from when i did read the bible, it only say its a sin for those who follow christianity. But i can be wrong on that.

The Bible is NOT right about many things. I hope Jesus was gay, having a particular disciple whom he loved. Gay or straight I hope the guy had a fulfilling sex life.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Something is not true just because the Bible says it is

For those who follow christianity the bible is the closest they can come to what jesus did teach. But for those who does not follow the bible should they care what it say? or mock it because they are not agree?

 

[danieldemol]

For those who follow christianity the bible is the closest they can come to what jesus did teach. But for those who does not follow the bible should they care what it say? or mock it because they are not agree?

I never mocked it, I observed that it is not 100percent true, your allegation of mockery is naught other than slander

 

[Spirit of Light]

I never mocked it, I observed that it is not 100percent true, your allegation of mockery is naught other than slander

What i meant by my comment is, if a person is not Christian (in this case) why should he or she care what they bible teach those who follow the teachings. But where many believes do wrong is to also judge those who do not follow their religion.

So both side do wrong.

 

[Jumi]

Hey! Even us old geezers can change. I remember when I opposed marriage equality.

Yes times change and people too. The trend in the west seems to be overall positive in favor of accepting realities that can't be changed(ignored or prayed away?) on many issues.

 

[danieldemol]

What i meant by my comment is, if a person is not Christian (in this case) why should he or she care what they bible teach those who follow the teachings. But where many believes do wrong is to also judge those who do not follow their religion.

So both side do wrong.

We must stand against injustice, even if others consider it their sacred right to carry out such injustice and have a book condoning such injustice.

So no, there is not wrong on both sides

 

[Twilight Hue]

One way to correct the pastor's views.

He will be using the correct pronouns in no time flat! Yes ma'am!

 

[Sunstone]

I dont want to judge any of the parts involved, but should not a priest preach the bibles words? and when he do he get kicked out?
Or should he adapt to what people want to hear because it is comfortable today?

I guess that would depend on whether you see Christianity as a living, evolving tradition, or as a fossilized relic of an ancient age.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I guess that would depend on whether you see Christianity as a living, evolving tradition, or as a fossilized relic of an ancient age.

That is true. More and more people see Christianity as old and outdated. But even as a Buddhist i do not disagree with Christianity on many levels. But see the answer to the question in this OP a bit different then Christians do. But since it is about Christianity i chose to answer in that context and not as a buddhist with somewhat different view of the topic

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I dont want to judge any of the parts involved, but should not a priest preach the bibles words?

"Bruce Jenner is still a man" are "the Bible's words?"

and when he do he get kicked out?
Or should he adapt to what people want to hear because it is comfortable today?

Should his congregation adapt this for the comfort of their minister?

Rom 14:4:

Who are you to pass judgment on another's servant? Before his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.