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Thoughts on the Fall of Adam

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
No, it's not. The FACT is that there historical and tangible realities leading up to the computer, tablet and phone. There are no evidences of anything materially cogent that leads up to populations morphing from one population to another. You have produced not one iota of evidence, no fossil evidence showing that there have been populations morphing from one to another. There are fossils. But they are not proving evolution. They are proving there were animals and "forms" that died, bones buried, sometimes not completely corroded, and may or may not be different than the animals today. If you have more than that, please -- just give one or two sentences demonstrating more than that. (Thanks.)
Of course it is. Those devices were made possible by the scientific method. The same method that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that life is the product of evolution.

Everything that you claim is blatantly wrong. The question is why are you so afraid to learn? You won't even try. Fear is caused by a weak faith.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
You do not understand basic concepts. Proof is a preponderance of evidence. When it comes to reliable evidence there is evidence only for evolution. There is no reliable evidence for creationism. All there is is a book of myths.
Your idea of creationism is not necessarily what I believe. So you keep talking about creationism. What do you mean by that, because not all concepts of those believing in creation are the same. So what do you mean when you say creationism? Please try not to use the word apple again as indicative of the figurative fruit because it doesn't make you or some of those you call creationists look too bright.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Of course it is. Those devices were made possible by the scientific method. The same method that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that life is the product of evolution.

Everything that you claim is blatantly wrong. The question is why are you so afraid to learn? You won't even try. Fear is caused by a weak faith.
I realize that taking your "course" of evolution is not in harmony with reality. So until you can show how populations morphed (evolved from one state - population :) - to another while there were no links in reproduction fast or slow from one "population" to another there is no point in taking your lessons. Thanks.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Your idea of creationism is not necessarily what I believe. So you keep talking about creationism. What do you mean by that, because not all concepts of those believing in creation are the same. So what do you mean when you say creationism? Please try not to use the word apple again as indicative of the figurative fruit because it doesn't make you or some of those you call creationists look too bright.
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You deny reality. The details do not really matter.

And why do you keep bringing up the fact that you do not understand figurative speech. Try to drop the false accusations please.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I realize that taking your "course" of evolution is not in harmony with reality. So until you can show how populations morphed (evolved from one state - population :) - to another while there were no links in reproduction fast or slow from one "population" to another there is no point in taking your lessons. Thanks.
Wrong again.

When you are ready to learn the basics of science we can move on. You can't refute an idea with strawmen.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Of course it is. Those devices were made possible by the scientific method. The same method that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that life is the product of evolution.

Everything that you claim is blatantly wrong. The question is why are you so afraid to learn? You won't even try. Fear is caused by a weak faith.
Sounds like you're in fear. I wrote, "The FACT is that there historical and tangible realities leading up to the computer, tablet and phone. There are no evidences of anything materially cogent that leads up to populations morphing from one population to another. You have produced not one iota of evidence, no fossil evidence showing that there have been populations morphing from one to another. There are fossils. But they are not proving evolution. They are proving there were animals and "forms" that died, bones buried, sometimes not completely corroded, and may or may not be different than the animals today. If you have more than that, please -- just give one or two sentences demonstrating more than that. (Thanks.)"

So since you say everything I say is wrong here, please show there is incontrovertible fossil evidence or any kind of material, verifiable tangible evidence (NOT conjecture after unearthing fossils) showing links between one "population" to another. Just one. Don't give me a link. Explain if possible, in your own words, as briefly as possible. I'll listen. :) Let me know if you don't understand the question. But if you do, here's your chance to offer explanation (proof?).
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
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You deny reality. The details do not really matter.

And why do you keep bringing up the fact that you do not understand figurative speech. Try to drop the false accusations please.
If your details don't matter, why should I believe any conjecture you have to offer? (Again, you're funny. But try to offer some proof backing up your statements. -- I'm giving you the opportunity to do so. In your own words.)
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Wrong again.

When you are ready to learn the basics of science we can move on. You can't refute an idea with strawmen.
OK, instead of telling me I'm a liar, etc.,please show some non-strawman basic of science to show that there are intermediate links from one population to another.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
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You deny reality. The details do not really matter.

And why do you keep bringing up the fact that you do not understand figurative speech. Try to drop the false accusations please.
Let me know, please. Are you the one to determine what is figurative and not figurative in the Bible? (Or out of the Bible, as in "apple" figuratively?) If so, please just say you are the authority. If not, let me know. Thanks again.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
You do not understand basic concepts. Proof is a preponderance of evidence. When it comes to reliable evidence there is evidence only for evolution. There is no reliable evidence for creationism. All there is is a book of myths.

The concept of scientific evidence is easy to learn. Would you care to try?
There was a beginning of existence as we know it. If you were not born and grew, you would not know about the stars. Thank you for bringing this out, including speciation or what is termed as ring species. While the idea of observing the heavens and the earth may seem simplistic to you, there is a difference in recognition of 'life' between an amoeba and a dog and a human being.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Sounds like you're in fear. I wrote, "The FACT is that there historical and tangible realities leading up to the computer, tablet and phone. There are no evidences of anything materially cogent that leads up to populations morphing from one population to another. You have produced not one iota of evidence, no fossil evidence showing that there have been populations morphing from one to another. There are fossils. But they are not proving evolution. They are proving there were animals and "forms" that died, bones buried, sometimes not completely corroded, and may or may not be different than the animals today. If you have more than that, please -- just give one or two sentences demonstrating more than that. (Thanks.)"

So since you say everything I say is wrong here, please show there is incontrovertible fossil evidence or any kind of material, verifiable tangible evidence (NOT conjecture after unearthing fossils) showing links between one "population" to another. Just one. Don't give me a link. Explain if possible, in your own words, as briefly as possible. I'll listen. :) Let me know if you don't understand the question. But if you do, here's your chance to offer explanation (proof?).
I am not the one running away.

Plus I have no need of faith. The strong in faith do not need fairy tales to maintain their beliefs.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Let me know, please. Are you the one to determine what is figurative and not figurative in the Bible? (Or out of the Bible, as in "apple" figuratively?) If so, please just say you are the authority. If not, let me know. Thanks again.
Not just me. But some things are obvious. If you have to believe in a lying god, as you do, that is a good indication that your beliefs are wrong.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
There was a beginning of existence as we know it. If you were not born and grew, you would not know about the stars. Thank you for bringing this out, including speciation or what is termed as ring species. While the idea of observing the heavens and the earth may seem simplistic to you, there is a difference in recognition of 'life' between an amoeba and a dog and a human being.
Yes, but a beginning as we know it is only evidence of a beginning. Not of a god.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
OK, instead of telling me I'm a liar, etc.,please show some non-strawman basic of science to show that there are intermediate links from one population to another.
You need to learn the basics of science first. I keep offering and you keep running.

Until you learn you are not qualified to say it something is speculation or conjecture.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
You need to learn the basics of science first. I keep offering and you keep running.

Until you learn you are not qualified to say it something is speculation or conjecture.
Looking at speciation, then thinking about your claim that humans evolved from apes, and essentially are apes, this does not prove ring species concerning evolution as you know it.
Yes, but a beginning as we know it is only evidence of a beginning. Not of a god.
You may examine evidences of what scientists call speciation, this does not prove that God does not enable life. And, scientists have differing opinions about definitions and ideas.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
QUOTE

You deny reality. The details do not really matter.

And why do you keep bringing up the fact that you do not understand figurative speech. Try to drop the false accusations please.
They are not false accusations. Perhaps you might try stop being a biblical authority in interpreting what is symbolic and what is literal.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Sounds like you're in fear. I wrote, "The FACT is that there historical and tangible realities leading up to the computer, tablet and phone. There are no evidences of anything materially cogent that leads up to populations morphing from one population to another. You have produced not one iota of evidence, no fossil evidence showing that there have been populations morphing from one to another. There are fossils. But they are not proving evolution. They are proving there were animals and "forms" that died, bones buried, sometimes not completely corroded, and may or may not be different than the animals today. If you have more than that, please -- just give one or two sentences demonstrating more than that. (Thanks.)"

So since you say everything I say is wrong here, please show there is incontrovertible fossil evidence or any kind of material, verifiable tangible evidence (NOT conjecture after unearthing fossils) showing links between one "population" to another. Just one. Don't give me a link. Explain if possible, in your own words, as briefly as possible. I'll listen. :) Let me know if you don't understand the question. But if you do, here's your chance to offer explanation (proof?).
And that was so ignorant that it could properly be called "stupid". You do not even know what evidence is. Heck you don't even know how the plural of the word "evidence". We need to start at the very beginning for you. For that I am going to use an illustration:

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That is a simplified rendition of the scientific method. You need to look it over. Once you understand this you will see that evolution is not based upon conjecture. Or speculation. Do you want to discuss this? The first step is "Ask a Question". How did the life we see get to the state that it is today. Okay?
 
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