if the concept of god is ever loving,just and merciful,then it is impossible to exist, because being loving,merciful and just at the same time contradicts itself, if he is only ever loving he is then not a free being and is therfore a robot and all its expression is artificial! if he is all the above plus omnipotent,omniscient,omnipresent, that god is impossible to exist because all these attributes can't exist alongside eachother and therefore renders him as unrealistic and impossible as a square circle or a loving rock!
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The Conception of God
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Firemorphic
Activist Membrane
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
What do you mean by not a free being thus a robot?
I know the saying can god can't contradict himself; but, can't find the connection.
I think you are taking just some best descriptive terms for the reality itself. The reality itself is not something we can get our heads around with words.
Earthling
David Henson
Basically, you are correct. That's because the god of which you speak is a product of theological tradition, rather than the God of the Bible, Jehovah, who is often confused for the theological, traditional god you describe.
Firemorphic
Activist Membrane
This is exactly the Islamic, Jewish and Hindu position (with respect to varying views on the nature and qualities of the reality itself), hit the nail on the head though!
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
The reason you can not understand that God is in everything and is everything in the same time, is because you use human mind to see God, God is free of human thinking, free of human boundaries, free of human attachments. God can not be described with human language, only understood by a free mind
I think what you are asking is whether or not God has free will. Or is God constrained by something?
God Has No Free Will: 2 Proofs
Firemorphic
Activist Membrane
Also, I think the notion of 'personal god' comes from how thinking of God as a "he/she/them" is the closest we can cognitively realize IT without making IT indistinct. It's (obviously) hard to wrap your head around but whether one received revelation from this thing or if one has an intense subjective realization of it (like Brahamic interpretations), there will always be a necessity as a human to think of IT in this way (creating deity). We are not talking about the universe itself, nor are we talking about a being that lives up in the clouds - it is rather an other but a constant, something separate yet interpenetrate of existence itself. This is perhaps the hardest part for many to wrap their heads around and of course, is no easy subject to contemplate for undogmatic seekers of knowledge.
Ellen Brown
Well-Known Member
God, G_d, Allah SWT does not describe himself much, so everything else is hearsay.
In the time of Moses, or Musa (Arabic), The Creator talked to Moses quite a lot. There is considerable discussion about who Abraham talked to, and of course there was Enoch who walked with God and was not.
I have my own private opinion about further encounters with the Creator. What did Ezekiel see?
The Persians had something going on before Judaism. The Zoroastrians worshiped Ahura Mazda. Was that God?
In the time of Moses, or Musa (Arabic), The Creator talked to Moses quite a lot. There is considerable discussion about who Abraham talked to, and of course there was Enoch who walked with God and was not.
I have my own private opinion about further encounters with the Creator. What did Ezekiel see?
The Persians had something going on before Judaism. The Zoroastrians worshiped Ahura Mazda. Was that God?
Shadow Link
Active Member
But see how the title of your Thread even suggest a paradox? What now?
Isn't trying to talk about something beyond the ability of the human mind to comprehend in terms that it can comprehend, itself trying to describe a square circle? All you have proven is the human mind can't comprehend God. Congratulations, that's what they've been saying all along. You've finally almost gotten it.
syo
Well-Known Member
You forgot the resurrection part. God gave the false hope to humanity that the dead will walk again.
syo
Well-Known Member
PLEASE!!! Can you explain the resurrection part? Orthodoxy says it's literal and I can't accept it! How and why will the dead rise? If it's metaphor then what is it??? (the resurrection part baffles me and it's the reason I abandoned xtianity). What the metaphor says about what will happen to our dead self??? If it's a metaphor I'll embrace xtianity again!!!Metaphor. Problem solved.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe you are in error on this. A loving God is just and merciful so there is no contradiction there. Justice and mercy are not contradictory. I believe there is justification for mercy and therefore mercy is also just.
I believe that is totally illogical. One can't love unless one is free to do so.
I suppose you are talking about the fact that God will love no matter what. That is because it is His nature not because someone programmed Him. It is much better then the love of man which often wavers when the wind blows ill.
Again since no-one programs God there is nothing artificial.
I believe that isn't even a valid argument but simply a false statement.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I fail to see where he provided a non-Biblical attribute.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I don't necessarily view them all as valid.
Neither do I. But I most certainly respect any person's right to hold any POV regarding the nature of God, provided it isn't the one that says, "God is telling me to kill everyone who doesn't see it my way."