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The most reasonable school of thought.

Ellen Brown

Well-Known Member
Being somewhat overfull from eating Salmon, Pasta, and Veggies, and drinking some beer, <10 oz, I am asking myself what life view makes the most sense to me?

In most belief systems I know of, God comes roaring in and punishes most of us. And, I'm not saying that is false.

The story that interests me the most is that 70,000 years ago, a sentient Alien research team shows up and starts trying to drag humanity out of a non-thriving mode that they've been stuck in for 100,000 years. The story about that, which I have been reading is at times depressing and I get tearful.

If I remember correctly there is a phenomenon called Entropy which implies that all systems tend toward disorder.

In the story, I hope that the guys that have been messing around with humans don't give up. I think that Trump's Entropy is about to do us in.
 

arthra

Baha'i
In most belief systems I know of, God comes roaring in and punishes most of us. And, I'm not saying that is false.

It may be this was a perspective held some time ago.. maybe centuries ago in legend. I'm reminded of a passage:

"God is not partial and is no respecter of persons. He has made provision for all. The harvest comes forth for everyone. The rain showers upon everybody and the heat of the sun is destined to warm everyone. The verdure of the earth is for everyone. Therefore there should be for all humanity the utmost happiness, the utmost comfort, the utmost well-being.
But if conditions are such that some are happy and comfortable and some in misery; some are accumulating exorbitant wealth and others are in dire want -- under such a system it is impossible for man to be happy and impossible for him to win the good pleasure of God. God is kind to all. The good pleasure of God consists in the welfare of all the individual members of mankind."

~ Abdu'l-Baha, Foundations of World Unity, p. 41
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Mushroom spores can survive in deep space. I'm fond of the theory that some long time ago, 100,000 years, maybe a million years ago, some magic mushroom spores traveled to earth, landed, grew into shrooms, were eaten by our not-quite-human ancestors, and that sparked us into being humans. Seems like it would be a nice way to spread sentience throughout the universe.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
The story that interests me the most is that 70,000 years ago, a sentient Alien research team shows up and starts trying to drag humanity out of a non-thriving mode that they've been stuck in for 100,000 years. The story about that, which I have been reading is at times depressing and I get tearful.

Those time frames are extremely tiny. I was shocked to learn the really vast timelines thought about in India. How does 155 TRILLION years sound? Much much greater than the life of this universe.

According to the Vedic texts, current age of Brahma is 50 Brahma years and 1 brahma day (we are in the 1st day of 2nd half of brahma)and we are in the seventh "manvantara", in the 28th turnover of its 71 yuga cycles. In this cycle, we are in the start Kali Yuga. Age of kali yuga is not known perfectly but it is around 5000-10000 years. For calculation, lets assume 8000 human years.
-> So current age of our universe (in terms of maha-yuga cycles) =
(50 * 720 * 1000) -- 50 years * (360 days + 360 nights) * total no. of cycles in one day/night
+ (6 * 71) -- 6 manvantara each of 71 maha-yuga cycle
+ (7 * 0.4) -- 7 junctions or gaps for 6 manvantara
+ (27 * 1) -- we are in 28th cycle of 71
+ (0.4+0.3+0.2) -- In this cycle, we are in Kali Yuga. Satya Yuga, Treat Yuga and Dwapara yuga are 0.4x, 0.3x and 0.2x respectively.
+ around 8000 human years -- very small, so ignoring it.

Thus total age = (36,000,000 + 456.7)x = 36,000,456.7 * 4.32 million = 155,521,972.944 million years = 155.521972944 trillion human years.
Age of Universe according to Vedas

Also, people are reborn 8,400,000 times as human beings before entering the spiritual path. That's well over 200 million years assuming a 25 year lifespan.

So what's 100,000 years when compared to those numbers?
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Those time frames are extremely tiny. I was shocked to learn the really vast timelines thought about in India. How does 155 TRILLION years sound? Much much greater than the life of this universe.
Age of Universe according to Vedas
Also, people are reborn 8,400,000 times as human beings before entering the spiritual path. That's well over 200 million years assuming a 25 year lifespan.
So what's 100,000 years when compared to those numbers?

I heard that there are 8,400,000 species on earth. I did not know about the same number for being reborn as humans. My first thought is that we go through all these species, before becoming human (and as a human we are entering the spiritual path).

Do you have a link of this number in relation to being born. Just to check of my thought is correct.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
I don't think it matters what God is, or was. We will very likely never know. I think it only matters what we choose to believe about it. Because what we choose to believe about it will reflect who we are as individuals, and who we will become as we continue living our lives.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
The story that interests me the most is that 70,000 years ago, a sentient Alien research team shows up and starts trying to drag humanity out of a non-thriving mode that they've been stuck in for 100,000 years. The story about that, which I have been reading is at times depressing and I get tearful.
You cite an interesting sounding story and don't tell us its title? I call foul.
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
Being somewhat overfull from eating Salmon, Pasta, and Veggies, and drinking some beer, <10 oz, I am asking myself what life view makes the most sense to me?

In most belief systems I know of, God comes roaring in and punishes most of us. And, I'm not saying that is false.

The story that interests me the most is that 70,000 years ago, a sentient Alien research team shows up and starts trying to drag humanity out of a non-thriving mode that they've been stuck in for 100,000 years. The story about that, which I have been reading is at times depressing and I get tearful.

If I remember correctly there is a phenomenon called Entropy which implies that all systems tend toward disorder.

In the story, I hope that the guys that have been messing around with humans don't give up. I think that Trump's Entropy is about to do us in.

IMHO, I think that a symptom of this Entropy is when people become so delusional that they start believing that one person can bring about bring about--or even represent--the downfall of civilization as we know it. God help us...
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Revoltifarian mythology.....
Archeologists discover an ancient spacecraft which dates to 100,000 BCE.
On it is this bumper sticker.
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Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Vinayaka, roaches are good and I believe even rodents are good in some way or the other. But that was not the question. How does an animal gathers merits to merit a birth as a human? That is the question. :)
Moot question for me, because that's not the varety of reincarnation I believe in. But I would imagine it would be because of his kindness to he brother and sister cockroaches.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Yeah. That. Lead his brothers and sisters to where food is available, not to fight to get the first or the best share of food, share things with others, help other when they are in trouble, not to trouble she-cockroaches if they are not in the mood, etc. Generally act like a gentleman. :D
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
Moot question for me, because that's not the varety of reincarnation I believe in. But I would imagine it would be because of his kindness to he brother and sister cockroaches.

Yeah. That. Lead his brothers and sisters to where food is available, not to fight to get the first or the best share of food, share things with others, help other when they are in trouble, not to trouble she-cockroaches if they are not in the mood, etc. Generally act like a gentleman. :D

No offense, but it seems someone may have OD'ed on Disney movies...just sayin'.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Vinayaka, roaches are good and I believe even rodents are good in some way or the other. But that was not the question. How does an animal gathers merits to merit a birth as a human? That is the question. :)
It's not a question of "merit" in the usual sense. It's more like fulfilling your function in the larger whole -- your dharma.

All beings have a place in the vast organism that is life -- call it biosphere, Gaia, ecosphere or whatever. Like a watch, each cog, screw and sprocket contributes to the whole, even if its role isn't immediately apparent.
Perhaps the escapement wheel is annoyed that the anchor keeps stopping it, but the mechanism as a whole wouldn't work otherwise. You have to look at the big picture.
 
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