God's Attitude Toward Homosexuality

[loganonekenobi]

If you make such a major change to an archaic institution, you had better be sure of what its ramifications are going to be on the culture, and the truth is, we have plowed ahead without even being concerned about this.

In our evolution, the cultural institution has undergone a NARROWING of natural behavior, not an expansion, as we reach for an ideal. For example, we have gradually disallowed incest. We are in the process as a species of disallowing polygamy and marriage with young girls. Gay marriage goes the opposite direction.

Actually the evidence so far had shown that same sex couples do not adverslay affect any practical aspect of marriage including the raising of children. I can provide evidence but are you willing to look at it?

 

[loganonekenobi]

I never made the claim that "same-sex marriage" caused this slippery slope.

It is definitely a symptom of said slope, but not it's cause. Satan is the cause and he has been attacking marriage and the family since the days of Cain, son of Adam.

The redefining of marriage is also a symptom of that slippery slope.

Marriage is a contract between men and women, so any same-sex coupling cannot be a marriage.

Claiming that their union is a "marriage" leads to more confusion in the rising generation.

Just as Satan wants.

Never claimed otherwise, but they have been on a significant rise since the Civil Rights movement.

Satan has caused nothing but suffering, which is his goal.

And his influence is not confined to any one group or type of people.

No, since Christ abhorred such acts of violence.

Besides, it would be a waste of time and effort and it would hurt all involved on some level.

The greatest "convincer" of truth and righteous living is the witness of the Holy Spirit which comes through sincere prayer and scripture study.

To quote from the Book of Mormon,

"And now, as the preaching of the word had a great tendency to lead the people to do that which was just—yea, it had had more powerful effect upon the minds of the people than the sword, or anything else, which had happened unto them—therefore Alma thought it was expedient that they should try the virtue of the word of God." (Alma 31:5)

That designation is debatable, considering their chosen course of action.

Nothing leads me to believe that.

We are still down to "is there a Satan" to actually deceive us? For that matter is there a God who has some authority to say what marriage is? Did i mention the absence of the holy spirit as well?
I on the other hand I have evidence that says same sex marriage is just fine
Evidence is clear on the benefits of legalising same-sex marriage
I know you wont read it.
The facts of the real world are on my side.
And just so you are aware, any place where homosexuality is seen as illegal the violence rate against them is much much higher. Right now Evangerlical christains are leading the charge against the LGBT community. Just take a look at what is happening in Uganda.
Im not saying that every christian goes out and beats a gay person but I am saying that it is something that should be adressed in the christian community as wrong to do.

 

[loganonekenobi]

Mark Regnerus is a professor of sociology at the University of Texas at Austin. His research is in the areas of sexual behavior, family, marriage, and religion.

He's EXACTLY the kind of expert we need for this discussion.

Ken Hovind is not a scholar. He is an evangelist.

Evidence is clear on the benefits of legalising same-sex marriage
There is no harm caused by same-sex parenting. Studies suggesting otherwise are skewed | Jacky Hewitt
Same-sex couples and their children: what does the evidence tell us?
What does the scholarly research say about the well-being of children with gay or lesbian parents? | What We Know
So that the facts may be presented. You're welcome.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

In the meantime, what specific "ramifications" do you believe we should be taking into account regarding same-sex marriage?

I think that children who naturally have a more amorphous sexuality (in other words, some people, but not everyone) will be drawn into a homosexual lifestyle who otherwise would have been perfectly happy marrying someone of the opposite sex and raising a family.

 

[loganonekenobi]

I think that children who naturally have a more amorphous sexuality (in other words, some people, but not everyone) will be drawn into a homosexual lifestyle who otherwise would have been perfectly happy marrying someone of the opposite sex and raising a family.

by what evidence we have this is not true.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Nonsense.

The Israelites of old didn't have a problem with youngsters marrying or polygamy.
Tom

No, they did not. But we now have an understanding that these things fall well short of the ideal, and are moving as a species away from them as part of Marriage.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Evidence is clear on the benefits of legalising same-sex marriage
There is no harm caused by same-sex parenting. Studies suggesting otherwise are skewed | Jacky Hewitt
Same-sex couples and their children: what does the evidence tell us?
What does the scholarly research say about the well-being of children with gay or lesbian parents? | What We Know
So that the facts may be presented. You're welcome.

I have already examined the studies on both sides. This is what I have found. Young children raised in same sex homes seem to do as well as those raised in bi-gender homes. Differences don't show up until the children are grown, when those raised in same sex homes do indeed seem to be at a disadvantage. I did provide a link on this.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

by what evidence we have this is not true.

which part of this is not true? that there are people that are sexually amorphous? that they can be influenced to choose one path or the other? what?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

which part of this is not true? that there are people that are sexually amorphous? that they can be influenced to choose one path or the other? what?

What does sexual amorphousnes mean to you? How does it differ from bisexuality and pansexuality? In what way are they shown to be influenced and by what?

 

[IndigoChild5559]

What does sexual amorphousnes mean to you? How does it differ from bisexuality and pansexuality? In what way are they shown to be influenced and by what?

Bisexuality is one form of being sexually amorphous. But for most people, being sexually amorphous means you have one preference, but it is not fixed. Statistically, women are more sexually amorphous than men. But certainly there are men who are sexually amorphous.

IOW the norm may be that our attractions are fixed, that one is i.e. a heterosexual or homosexual. But this is simply not true for a minority of people, who do have the potential to slide into other attractions and nourish those other attractions until they become dominant.

I listened as Dennis Prager interviewed a college coed who had begun as someone clearly heterosexual, and who had become a lesbian. She openly admitted on the radio that being a lesbian had been a choice for her.

 

[Jose Fly]

I think that children who naturally have a more amorphous sexuality (in other words, some people, but not everyone) will be drawn into a homosexual lifestyle who otherwise would have been perfectly happy marrying someone of the opposite sex and raising a family.

And if that's so, is that a bad thing? If the person spends the rest of their life happily married to someone they love either way, that's a positive outcome, right?

 

[JJ50]

Some people who say they are against homosexuality are struggling to come to terms with their own sexuality.

I cannot for the life of me see anything wrong with being gay.

 

[Sand Dancer]

According to many Christians god doesn't condemn romantic attraction or sexual attraction between members of the same sex; however, physically acting on that attraction is a huge No-no, even an abomination worthy of the death penalty.

So just what is it about touching pee pees that is so much worse than simply wanting to? What are the inherent underpinnings of this physical transgression that sets it apart from the attraction itself and make it worthy of such severe condemnation?

Physically expressing homosexual attraction is far worse than just than just the attraction because_______________fill in the blank______________ (and no "because the Bible tells me so" kinds of answers please).


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Sadly, many people think the Bible reports Yahweh's attitude instead of the attitude of those living at that time.

 

[Sand Dancer]

For the literalist, it's an interesting proposition. It's physically impossible for man to lie with another man as they do with a woman. So they're going to what... fudge it a bit since it's not literally possible.

At that time to put a man, as the dominant one in the relationship, in the submissive role was wrong. In Greek society, boys, slaves and women were fine for sex, since they were not social equals. A free man and another free man were both dominant, so one could not be put in a submissive role. Also, the Hebrews were supposed to stand out from others, and other religions saw homosexual sex as okay, as in fertility cults, so they had to separate themselves from that behavior.

 

[Subduction Zone]

We are still down to "is there a Satan" to actually deceive us? For that matter is there a God who has some authority to say what marriage is? Did i mention the absence of the holy spirit as well?
I on the other hand I have evidence that says same sex marriage is just fine
Evidence is clear on the benefits of legalising same-sex marriage
I know you wont read it.
The facts of the real world are on my side.
And just so you are aware, any place where homosexuality is seen as illegal the violence rate against them is much much higher. Right now Evangerlical christains are leading the charge against the LGBT community. Just take a look at what is happening in Uganda.
Im not saying that every christian goes out and beats a gay person but I am saying that it is something that should be adressed in the christian community as wrong to do.

Huh! Who woulda thunk it. If one treats LBGQ as real people they do better.

And from the short mention on children of gay marriage the only downside appears to be some possible harm due to lingering prejudice against their parents. But nothing has been found wrong in there upbringing.

 

[loganonekenobi]

which part of this is not true? that there are people that are sexually amorphous? that they can be influenced to choose one path or the other? what?

And having a choice is ..... bad? If this is the worse you have Im not seeing a problem. Im sure you will tell me of the horrors of having a choice.

 

[loganonekenobi]

Huh! Who woulda thunk it. If one treats LBGQ as real people they do better.

And from the short mention on children of gay marriage the only downside appears to be some possible harm due to lingering prejudice against their parents. But nothing has been found wrong in there upbringing.

thank you for reading the evidence. Good luck convencing the religious that these facts matter.

 

[loganonekenobi]

which part of this is not true? that there are people that are sexually amorphous? that they can be influenced to choose one path or the other? what?

on a similar note, attraction is what it is. One can be attracted to the same gender, opposite, or some where in between. Unless there is real harm in letting people love who they are attracted to (such as pedophila) then I see no reason why any one should stop them.

 

[loganonekenobi]

I have already examined the studies on both sides. This is what I have found. Young children raised in same sex homes seem to do as well as those raised in bi-gender homes. Differences don't show up until the children are grown, when those raised in same sex homes do indeed seem to be at a disadvantage. I did provide a link on this.

Many of these diferences often come from marginalization and discrimination from the religious. "oh you had two mums" (awkward silence) "we'll pray for them and you". You get the idea? The studies are just begining but one thing is for sure, letting same sex couples marry did not,infact bring the gaypocolyps upon the countries that allowed it. oh and could you repost that link so i can read it. I cant find it in your previous posts

 

[Subduction Zone]

thank you for reading the evidence. Good luck convencing the religious that these facts matter.

Some will. Some will run and hide. I grew up in a different time and opposed marriage equality myself in the past. Eventually I realized That was my prejudiced upbringing speaking and not logic. By the time it got on the ballot in my state I knew better than I had in the past. People can learn. You may not change people's minds in front of you, but you might plant the seed that leads to a change.