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Border Security- Then and Now
- Thread starter Stanyon
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Salvador
RF's Swedenborgian
Five key Senate Democrats have entirely flip-flopped on the issue of a border security barrier system and these Senators have failed to explain why they now are against the same type of border security barrier system that they supported when they voted for the Secure Fence Act of 2006.
Five current Democratic U.S. senators, including the party’s top leadership, all voted for the
Secure Fence Act Of 2006, the very law that authorized the same type of border security system that President Trump now wants to extend across the vast stretch of land between the U.S.-Mexico border.
They are:
Five current Democratic U.S. senators, including the party’s top leadership, all voted for the
Secure Fence Act Of 2006, the very law that authorized the same type of border security system that President Trump now wants to extend across the vast stretch of land between the U.S.-Mexico border.
They are:
- Minority Leader Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y.
- Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif.
- Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore
- Sen. Tom Carper, D-Del.
- Sen. Debbie Stabenow, D-Mich.
Woberts
The Perfumed Seneschal
Or maybe it's because Trump's wall is a massive drain on people's tax dollars for almost no benefit?
Salvador
RF's Swedenborgian
Trump's requested $5.8 billion in today's dollars for an effective border security barrier is minuscule compared to massive amounts of dollars spent on past infrastructure improvement programs ( i.e.- Obama stimulus spending ) or rebuilding the infrastructure of other nations. ( i.e. - the Marshall Plan )
Stanyon
WWMRD?
If you watch the videos I believe Obama wanted far more than Trump.
Woberts
The Perfumed Seneschal
Salvador
RF's Swedenborgian
Bob the Unbeliever
Well-Known Member
LMAO!
Look at the scale: It's like 10 INCHES between the poles. Lots of folk could simply squeeze through...
Besides: A used, $30 extension ladder, and $5 worth of rope? *BOOM*
That thing is easily circumvented.
(If you are a trumper? 'circumvent' means 'to get around')
Immigrants do tend to cost taxpayer money for at least the first generation.
(Don't ask for evidence. I'm signing off soon.)
A cost benefit analysis would be useful.
Perhaps one exists.
I'll give you the assignment of looking for a cromulent one.
This is why I take no side on the wall.
I don't know what configuration it'll take, what it'll cost,
& what good it will be.
exchemist
Veteran Member
What is obvious is that Trump used the wall as a dogwhistle racism issue in his campaign. He avoided scrutiny of the benefits vs costs by claiming it would be cost-free, as Mexico would pay for it. The actual benefits of the wall were thus never really examined.
Now however, it has become clear that the people of the USA will have to pay for it, not Mexico as originally promised (surprise, surprise). That's $6bn expenditure of taxpayers' money that Trump did not warn people he would be spending.
So people ask what real benefits they will get, in exchange for their money. And now the lies start, about supposed rapes and murders (unsupported by the statistics), about drug smuggling (practically all of which comes in via legal routes of entry so would not be affected by a wall) and so on.
Now however, it has become clear that the people of the USA will have to pay for it, not Mexico as originally promised (surprise, surprise). That's $6bn expenditure of taxpayers' money that Trump did not warn people he would be spending.
So people ask what real benefits they will get, in exchange for their money. And now the lies start, about supposed rapes and murders (unsupported by the statistics), about drug smuggling (practically all of which comes in via legal routes of entry so would not be affected by a wall) and so on.
Prestor John
Well-Known Member
This is the silliest thing I've read today.
Prestor John
Well-Known Member
I hope we build a wall that lasts that long.
Prestor John
Well-Known Member
Every country that builds walls and protects their borders is racist?
Altfish
Veteran Member
Whilst the criminals, terrorists and drug dealers get in by other means ... just like they are doing now.
exchemist
Veteran Member
So you can't read. I see. Trump voter, perhaps?
It's spelt Prester John, by the way.
Earthling
David Henson
Yeah, those Democrats don't like spending.
Prestor John
Well-Known Member
You can't cover all the entrances without a wall.
Prestor John
Well-Known Member
You said,
"What is obvious is that Trump used the wall as a dogwhistle racism issue in his campaign."
So, I and everyone else who wants a wall at the southern border are racist?
Do you apply that standard to Mexico which has a wall at their southern border?
Are Mexicans racist against other Hispanic peoples?
Are all countries that want border security racist?
No, my username is "Prestor John".It's spelt Prester John, by the way.
Prester John is a fictional patriarch.