Explain to me why god is real using facts

[Baroodi]

God Messengers supported by miracles which are historical facts. In addition many current facts are around if you look around carefully

 

[blü 2]

Sorry, no point for 'zero point in nothingness,' but no one is really keeping score.

No one nowhere keeping score nohow?

How typical of non-existence!

 

[Trailblazer]

Not all messianics, megalomaniacs or narcissists are confined in mental hospitals, though. Many are speaking on the street corners or from the pulpit.

True.

 

[Trailblazer]

Is God male or female?

Neither, because God is not a human being.

But Jesus also said that He is the Way, the Truth and the Life and no one comes to the Father but through Him? Why would He speak so exclusively if He's just one of many prophets?

Because Jesus was the only way to God during his Dispensation. However, in the dispensations before and after His Dispensation, there were *other ways* to God. Logically speaking, Jesus could not be *the only way* to God for all time, because people came to God before Jesus walked the earth.

This sounds the New World Order which according to Christian theology is supposed to be led by Satan and not God.

That is a Christian belief, not a Baha'i belief.

Baha'is believe that this is a new Cycle of religion, a new age of mankind, the likes of which mankind has never seen in the past. We are entering the Golden Age of mankind, as was promised in the Bible.

“The whole earth,” writes Baha’u’llah, “is now in a state of pregnancy. The day is approaching when it will have yielded its noblest fruits, when from it will have sprung forth the loftiest trees, the most enchanting blossoms, the most heavenly blessings. Immeasurably exalted is the breeze that wafteth from the garment of thy Lord, the Glorified! For lo, it hath breathed its fragrance and made all things new! Well is it with them that comprehend.”
– Shoghi Effendi, The World Order of Baha’u’llah, p. 168.​

I heard Mohammed was a slave owner and what did he accomplish while he was here?

I do not know as much about Muhammad as I should, but here is a quote from the Guardian of the Baha'i Faith that refers to the primary purpose of His mission.

“The Faith of Islám, the succeeding link in the chain of Divine Revelation, introduced, as Bahá’u’lláh Himself testifies, the conception of the nation as a unit and a vital stage in the organization of human society, and embodied it in its teaching. This indeed is what is meant by this brief yet highly significant and illuminating pronouncement of Bahá’u’lláh: “Of old [Islamic Dispensation] it hath been revealed: ‘Love of one’s country is an element of the Faith of God.’” This principle was established and stressed by the Apostle of God, inasmuch as the evolution of human society required it at that time. Nor could any stage above and beyond it have been envisaged, as world conditions preliminary to the establishment of a superior form of organization were as yet unobtainable. The conception of nationality, the attainment to the state of nationhood, may, therefore, be said to be the distinguishing characteristics of the MuHammadan Dispensation, in the course of which the nations and races of the world, and particularly in Europe and America, were unified and achieved political independence.....” The Promised Day Is Come, p. 120​

 

[Trailblazer]

I would call them unsupported claims, not facts. A fact is a linguistic string that accurately maps a portion of reality. When I write that the sun appears each morning on the eastern horizon to turn night into daybreak, and claim that that string of words is a fact, what I mean is that you can use those words to accurately predict a potential experience available to you in the mornings. It means that if you go outside and look east at the correct time in the pre-dawn morning, an object will appear to rise into the sky and illuminate it. That's what I mean by a fact - once again, a linguisitic string that accurately maps a portion of reality. It's tied to empiricism.

That is what I meant when I said "I guess you would not call them facts though, but rather beliefs, since they cannot be verified."

 

[Exaltist Ethan]

Think where you come from. Your parents. Then follow the lineage back. Eventually you will realize that the beginning had to come from something even larger than the Universe. The concept of The Omniverse is only really popular in science fiction, yet, it makes sense that is God. Because of this I consider myself a panendeist.

 

[Trailblazer]

More than likely you will find them on Death row for the crime of trying to implement Peace, Love and Justice.

You just reminded me of this.....

Edward Browne has left us a pen-portrait of Baha’u’llah. It is the only one of its kind in existence, and therefore of tremendous value to the student of the Baha’i Faith. Today a visitor to Bahji can read this document, before venturing into Baha’u’llah’s chamber. Thus can one try to recreate in one’s mind the interview granted to the English orientalist.

“A mild dignified voice bade me be seated, and then continued: - “Praise be to God that thou hast attained! . . . Thou hast come to see a prisoner and an exile. . . . We desire but the good of the world and the happiness of the nations; yet they deem us a stirrer-up of strife and sedition worthy of bondage and banishment. . . . That all nations should become one in faith and all men as brothers; that the bonds of affection and unity between the sons of men should be strengthened; that diversity of religion should cease, and differences of race be annulled – what harm is there in this? . . . Yet so it shall be; these fruitless strifes, these ruinous wars shall pass away, and the ‘Most Great Peace’ shall come. . . . Do not you in Europe need this also? Is not this that which Christ foretold? … Yet do we see your kings and rulers lavishing their treasures more freely on means for the destruction of the human race than on that which would conduce to the happiness of mankind. . . These strifes and this bloodshed and discord must cease, and all men be as one kindred and one family. . . . Let not a man glory in this, that he loves his country; let him rather glory in this, that he loves his kind . . .”

After returning home Browne wrote “Such, so far as I can recall them, were the words which, besides many others, I heard from Baha. Let those who read them consider well with themselves whether such doctrines merit death and bonds, and whether the world is more likely to gain or lose by their diffusion.”
(Baha’u’llah by H. M. Balyuzi, page 61)

 

[Trailblazer]

No, I didn't mean it was hidden in that sense. I mean that there are lots and lots of religions, cults, and sects and none of them are obviously correct. At least most of them must be wrong, so the true message, if it exists, is hidden amongst all the false ones.

I can fully agree with that. In that sense it is hidden.

I seriously doubt that one could hope to fully understand every religion, cult, and sect in the world in any sensible proportion of one lifetime - and where is the reason to even expect that one of them is correct, in order to embark on such a project? It looks like a rather foolish thing to do.

I agree, but there is no need to look at all of them, just the ones we suspect could be true. And if we are not suspicious, we will have no need to *look* at any of them. We are not going to go looking for a burglar unless we suspect a burglary has been committed. One does not have to look at every man in town, just the most likely suspects.

The problem is that the whole idea of a god sending a message to its creation, not making it clear to everyone, then letting it get hidden amongst a whole lot of false messages, and then expecting us to go searching for it (for no obvious reason that I can see) doesn't make any sense to me.

But that is not what God actually did. God send a Messenger to deliver a message and there was a lot of tumult around the time He was alive and walking upon the earth. He garnered a few followers and they garnered some more followers as time went on. The Messenger entrusted those followers to deliver His message so everyone would know He had come. The followers do the best they could but they could not reach everyone because there are too few of them. To the degree that the message does not get out to the masses it remains hidden, but that is not God’s fault because God already did His job when He sent the Messenger....

True seekers will go looking for the message, and they will attest to the fact that is how they found it. Others will run into it because they knew someone who told them about it. That is what happened to me. Not that many people get the message for a long time after it is delivered, but eventually more and more people get it.

So where is the reasoning that suggests any of the religions are genuine, in order to make some sort of search rational?

It makes sense that *some* of the religions are genuine since that is the only evidence we have that God has ever communicated to humans. Who are the most likely suspects? Well, the larger religions that have the most adherents and the religions that have the teachings that make the most sense and are most useful to humanity.

Why not? I assume you think believing comes with some benefit to the believer, so why would a god not want everyone to believe? Doesn't it like most of the people it created?

I put my foot in my mouth again. Sometimes that happens when I have too many posts to answer so I am in a hurry, or when it is well past midnight and I have been on the computer since noon.

What I meant to say is that everyone will not make the cut because of so many things that prevent that from happening. I cannot know what God wants but I assume that God would like everyone to make the cut, if that was possible. But the only way that could happen is if God overrode our free will and made us believe. All you have to do is read on this forum for a while and you will soon realize that adherents to the older religions such as Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism and Christianity are not going to *willingly* relinquish their beliefs for a new religion. Then of course there are atheists and agnostics who are suspicions of *any* religion and the *idea* of Messengers of God... So who is left? Hardly anyone is willing to give the *new* religion a fair shot.

Also, everyone must do this work themselves if the end result is going to be their own belief and not a belief they hold because someone else convinced them. Finding the truth takes a lot of work, a lot of time and effort is involved. Unfortunately, most people have other things in their lives that they consider more important than God.

 

[lukethethird]

Unfortunately, most people have other things in their lives that they consider more important than God.

Yes, like dealing with what's relevant.

 

[dfnj]

Neither, because God is not a human being.

God does not exist. For something to exist it must have boundaries. Since God does not have any boundaries, or limitations, therefore, God does not exist.

 

[lukethethird]

God does not exist. For something to exist it must have boundaries. Since God does not have any boundaries, or limitations, therefore, God does not exist.

Nobody cares either way, so why bother?

 

[Trailblazer]

Yes, like dealing with what's relevant.

That would be God.

 

[Trailblazer]

God does not exist. For something to exist it must have boundaries.

Why must it have boundaries?

Since God does not have any boundaries, or limitations, therefore, God does not exist.

Why does God have to have boundaries and limitations in order to exist?

 

[loverofhumanity]

Basically, I am an atheist right, so I would like for you to explain to me why your god is real and use facts not opinions, please.

The problem here is what sort of facts would you accept? I’ve personally found that atheists have made up their mind that there can never be proof and only want to oppose no matter how reasonable the argument.

To me it’s as clear as the sun that God exists but no matter what argument I put forward I believe atheists are just going to assert its wrong so what’s the point of a dialogue?

When I was an atheist I studied and reflected deeply on what religionists said and by keeping an open mind I discovered they were telling the truth. But as an atheist the problem was with me deliberately being closed minded.

I can only speak for myself and that upon finding out I was wrong how ashamed I felt for the bigoted way I treated religionists. Now I know I was bigoted and closed minded but then I believed religious people to be mentally deficient and used religion as a crutch. And I told them that.

Now I’ve found out I was wrong I suppose it’s my turn to be on the receiving end of the way I wrongfully treated religionists. And it’s not nice knowing I’ve found truth to be told I’m a liar and mentally unstable,

So I’ll just do my best to be patient with whatever you like to throw at me but I see the signs of God all around me in every atom in all life.

 

[lukethethird]

That would be God.

Sorry but the existence or non-existence of your God or any god is meaningless, life goes on either way.

 

[The Anointed]

Basically, I am an atheist right, so I would like for you to explain to me why your god is real and use facts not opinions, please.

(FACT) The first law of thermodynamics is the same as the first law of conservation and that is, that energy can neither be created or destroyed. So it would seem that if energy cannot be created, then it always was, and If it can never be destroyed, it always will be. Therefore, according to this law, energy must be eternal, having neither beginning or end. Energy can be and is converted to that which we perceive as matter. In fact, this material universe at the time of the Big Bang was pure electromagnetic energy, which has been converted to that which we perceive as matter only to be reconverted to its original form as electromagnetic energy during the phase of the Big Crunch.

(FACT) Atheists refuse to believe that the universe was created through intelligent design, and they believe that a universe of mindless matter has produced beings with intrinsic ends, [in Kantian terminology, an end-in-itself] --------- self- replication capabilities, and “coded chemistry”?

(FACT) The big bang is the instant when the primordial singularity became the universe. Based on observations of distant objects and measurements of the cosmic background radiation, scientists have deduced the temperature at the Planck time, which is 10 million trillion trillion trillionths of a second. At that instant, the temperature was 100 million trillion trillion kelvins (180 million trillion trillion degrees Fahrenheit). The universe underwent a period of accelerated expansion that ended well before a second had elapsed. By this time, it had cooled to a temperature of 100 billion kelvins (180 billion degrees Fahrenheit).

You must now accept that it is the eternal energy which has neither beginning or end, that has become this material universe and has developed a mind that is the compilation of all the information gathered by all the diverse life-forms that it [The Eternal Energy] or God has become.

In fact, it has now been revealed that matter is no more than an illusion. Quantum physicists discovered that so called physical atoms are made up of vortices of energy that are constantly spinning and vibrating, each one radiating its own unique energy signature.

If you observed the composition of an atom with a microscope you would see a small, invisible tornado-like vortex, with a number of infinitely small energy vortices called quarks and photons. These are what make up the structure of the atom. As you focused in closer and closer on the structure of the atom, you would see nothing, you would observe a physical void. The atom has no physical structure, we have no physical structure, physical things really don’t have any physical structure! Atoms are made out of invisible energy, not tangible matter.

We, who the eternal energy has become are part and parcel of the Collective Cosmic Consciousness that is the Logos God, who is one and who is all that exists and in who, has developed the MOST HIGH in the creation, the Lord to the glory of the creator, before whose glorious throne, we kneel..,

 

[Subduction Zone]

(FACT) The first law of thermodynamics is the same as the first law of conservation and that is, that energy can neither be created or destroyed. So it would seem that if energy cannot be created, then it always was, and If it can never be destroyed, it always will be. Therefore, according to this law, energy must be eternal, having neither beginning or end. Energy can be and is converted to that which we perceive as matter. In fact, this material universe at the time of the Big Bang was pure electromagnetic energy, which has been converted to that which we perceive as matter only to be reconverted to its original form as electromagnetic energy during the phase of the Big Crunch.

A Big Crunch looks like it is out of the picture. But not to worry, the Laws of Thermodynamics may not have been active before the Big Bang (if that statement even makes any sense. The First Law of Thermodynamics is not evidence for a God. You have no facts supporting your beliefs yet.

(FACT) Atheists refuse to believe that the universe was created through intelligent design, and they believe that a universe of mindless matter has produced beings with intrinsic ends, [in Kantian terminology, an end-in-itself] --------- self- replication capabilities, and “coded chemistry”?

For atheists to believe that you need to find evidence for this "intelligent design". Most theists do not even understand what is and what is not evidence. That leads to problems.

(FACT) The big bang is the instant when the primordial singularity became the universe. Based on observations of distant objects and measurements of the cosmic background radiation, scientists have deduced the temperature at the Planck time, which is 10 million trillion trillion trillionths of a second. At that instant, the temperature was 100 million trillion trillion kelvins (180 million trillion trillion degrees Fahrenheit). The universe underwent a period of accelerated expansion that ended well before a second had elapsed. By this time, it had cooled to a temperature of 100 billion kelvins (180 billion degrees Fahrenheit).

That may be but a source would still be nice. Still no facts supporting your beliefs.

You must now accept that it is the eternal energy which has neither beginning or end, that has become this material universe and has developed a mind that is the compilation of all the information gathered by all the diverse life-forms that it [The Eternal Energy] or God has become.

That would be a rather strange definition of "God". And you can't claim that it has a mind from a definition. You need to find evidence that supports that claim. And why bother? Such a God clearly is not the Christian God.

In fact, it has now been revealed that matter is no more than an illusion. Quantum physicists discovered that so called physical atoms are made up of vortices of energy that are constantly spinning and vibrating, each one radiating its own unique energy signature.

If you observed the composition of an atom with a microscope you would see a small, invisible tornado-like vortex, with a number of infinitely small energy vortices called quarks and photons. These are what make up the structure of the atom. As you focused in closer and closer on the structure of the atom, you would see nothing, you would observe a physical void. The atom has no physical structure, we have no physical structure, physical things really don’t have any physical structure! Atoms are made out of invisible energy, not tangible matter.

We, who the eternal energy has become are part and parcel of the Collective Cosmic Consciousness that is the Logos God, who is one and who is all that exists and in who, has developed the MOST HIGH in the creation, the Lord to the glory of the creator, before whose glorious throne, we kneel..,

Oops, you gave no facts that support a "Cosmic Consciousness". You tried to define such a god into existence but that does not work.

Life is an infinitesimally small part of the universe. The universe does not look as if it were designed to bring life about. That is a very very very very small fringe benefit. If anything the universe looks like it was "designed" to create black holes.

 

[The Anointed]

A Big Crunch looks like it is out of the picture. But not to worry, the Laws of Thermodynamics may not have been active before the Big Bang (if that statement even makes any sense. The First Law of Thermodynamics is not evidence for a God. You have no facts supporting your beliefs yet.



For atheists to believe that you need to find evidence for this "intelligent design". Most theists do not even understand what is and what is not evidence. That leads to problems.




That may be but a source would still be nice. Still no facts supporting your beliefs.



That would be a rather strange definition of "God". And you can't claim that it has a mind from a definition. You need to find evidence that supports that claim. And why bother? Such a God clearly is not the Christian God.




Oops, you gave no facts that support a "Cosmic Consciousness". You tried to define such a god into existence but that does not work.

Life is an infinitesimally small part of the universe. The universe does not look as if it were designed to bring life about. That is a very very very very small fringe benefit. If anything the universe looks like it was "designed" to create black holes.

The root to the word “BRAHMAN” originally meant “SPEECH”, much the same as the “LOGOS” is said to mean ‘WORD.

The Logos/word, and Brahman/speech, should be seen as the gathered information of past aeons that is waiting to be expressed. The LOGOS is in fact, the invisible living universal mind, in which is gathered all of the information of every universal body throughout all eternity and should be seen as the essential divine reality of the universe, the eternal spirit from which all being originates, and to which all must return.

The term, "THE WORD OF GOD," pertains to the sense that is identical to the term “LOGOS” or the mould. The mould by which the whole sense of a thing is given. In other words, the very plan from the outset. In Sanskrit the similar meaning is given in the use of the word 'vach.' Vach means word. But in Sanskrit teachings of the Sanatana Dharma, vach has many levels. Including where the word is first considered as being in the mind as a thought, not as the spoken word or speech.

The universe is immaterial-mental and spiritual” (1) – Richard Conn Henry, Professor of Physics and Astronomy at Johns Hopkins University (quote taken from “the mental universe)

A fundamental conclusion of the new quantum physics also acknowledges that the OBSERVER CREATES THE REALITY. As observers, we are personally involved with the creation of our own reality. Physicists are being forced to admit that the UNIVERSE IS "MENTAL CONSTRUCTION" .

Pioneering physicist Sir James Jeans wrote: “The stream of knowledge is heading toward a non-mechanical reality; the universe begins to look more like a great thought than like a great machine. Mind no longer appears to be an accidental intruder into the realm of matter, we ought rather hail it as the creator and governor of the realm of matter. (R. C. Henry, “The Mental Universe”; Nature 436:29, 2005)

The Logos/Brahman is the plan from the outset of the conception of each generation of the universe, and that is to develop within each generation, who each (Universal Body) occupy their own position in space-time, a Supreme Personality of Godhead to that body, which is a son and extension of the eternal evolving Logos.

IMO, that which is call the singularity, that produced the energy that has become this universe and all herein, was in fact a White Hole at the end of a worm hole or Einstein-Rosen bridge that connected it to the Black Hole into which the previous universe had descended, in that which we call 'The Big Crunch.'

In 1935, Einstein and physicist Nathan Rosen used the theory of general relativity to elaborate on the idea of black holes and worm holes, proposing the existence of "bridges" through space-time. These bridges connect two different points in space-time, theoretically creating a shortcut that could reduce travel time and distance; Billions of light years to mere metres.

A universe falling into a Great Gatherer would be spewed out in the trillions of degrees somewhere far beyond the visible horizon of the Cosmos and resurrected once again, to where the light from its previous position in Space-Time would take billions of years to Reach its new position, if ever.

According to general relativity, the gravitational collapse of a sufficiently compact mass forms a singular Schwarzschild black hole. In the Einstein–Cartan–Sciama–Kibble theory of gravity, however, it forms a regular Einstein–Rosen bridge.

The gravitational collapse of a single star such as the star of our solar system, can form a White Dwarf, the gravitational collapse of bigger stars can create a neutron star, or a Black Hole, depending on its mass, but not necessarily a Worm Hole.

A worm Hole could theoretically be used as a method of sending information or travelers through space, unfortunately, physical matter which includes humans journeying through the space tunnels would appear to be an impossibility as there are strong indications that material objects travelling through a worm hole is forbidden by the law of physics.

But now that it has been discovered that Physical matter is but an illusion, and all is, but the eternal energy, perhaps one day new technology may develop a way to teleport bodies of energy along light beams and reconstruct them to their original form, with no damage done. Wormholes may not only connect two separate regions within the Cosmos, they could also connect two different universes.

 

[The Anointed]

The root to the word “BRAHMAN” originally meant “SPEECH”, much the same as the “LOGOS” is said to mean ‘WORD.

The Logos/word, and Brahman/speech, should be seen as the gathered information of past aeons that is waiting to be expressed. The LOGOS is in fact, the invisible living universal mind, in which is gathered all of the information of every universal body throughout all eternity and should be seen as the essential divine reality of the universe, the eternal spirit from which all being originates, and to which all must return.

The term, "THE WORD OF GOD," pertains to the sense that is identical to the term “LOGOS” or the mould. The mould by which the whole sense of a thing is given. In other words, the very plan from the outset. In Sanskrit the similar meaning is given in the use of the word 'vach.' Vach means word. But in Sanskrit teachings of the Sanatana Dharma, vach has many levels. Including where the word is first considered as being in the mind as a thought, not as the spoken word or speech.

The universe is immaterial-mental and spiritual” (1) – Richard Conn Henry, Professor of Physics and Astronomy at Johns Hopkins University (quote taken from “the mental universe)

A fundamental conclusion of the new quantum physics also acknowledges that the OBSERVER CREATES THE REALITY. As observers, we are personally involved with the creation of our own reality. Physicists are being forced to admit that the UNIVERSE IS "MENTAL CONSTRUCTION" .

Pioneering physicist Sir James Jeans wrote: “The stream of knowledge is heading toward a non-mechanical reality; the universe begins to look more like a great thought than like a great machine. Mind no longer appears to be an accidental intruder into the realm of matter, we ought rather hail it as the creator and governor of the realm of matter. (R. C. Henry, “The Mental Universe”; Nature 436:29, 2005)

The Logos/Brahman is the plan from the outset of the conception of each generation of the universe, and that is to develop within each generation, who each (Universal Body) occupy their own position in space-time, a Supreme Personality of Godhead to that body, which is a son and extension of the eternal evolving Logos.

IMO, that which is call the singularity, that produced the energy that has become this universe and all herein, was in fact a White Hole at the end of a worm hole or Einstein-Rosen bridge that connected it to the Black Hole into which the previous universe had descended, in that which we call 'The Big Crunch.'

In 1935, Einstein and physicist Nathan Rosen used the theory of general relativity to elaborate on the idea of black holes and worm holes, proposing the existence of "bridges" through space-time. These bridges connect two different points in space-time, theoretically creating a shortcut that could reduce travel time and distance; Billions of light years to mere metres.

A universe falling into a Great Gatherer would be spewed out in the trillions of degrees somewhere far beyond the visible horizon of the Cosmos and resurrected once again, to where the light from its previous position in Space-Time would take billions of years to Reach its new position, if ever.

According to general relativity, the gravitational collapse of a sufficiently compact mass forms a singular Schwarzschild black hole. In the Einstein–Cartan–Sciama–Kibble theory of gravity, however, it forms a regular Einstein–Rosen bridge.

The gravitational collapse of a single star such as the star of our solar system, can form a White Dwarf, the gravitational collapse of bigger stars can create a neutron star, or a Black Hole, depending on its mass, but not necessarily a Worm Hole.

A worm Hole could theoretically be used as a method of sending information or travelers through space, unfortunately, physical matter which includes humans journeying through the space tunnels would appear to be an impossibility as there are strong indications that material objects travelling through a worm hole is forbidden by the law of physics.

But now that it has been discovered that Physical matter is but an illusion, and all is, but the eternal energy, perhaps one day new technology may develop a way to teleport bodies of energy along light beams and reconstruct them to their original form, with no damage done. Wormholes may not only connect two separate regions within the Cosmos, they could also connect two different universes.

Continued from previous post. . . . . . . . The Great Attractor: what is this thing?

The smallest unit of galaxies out there is our local group, comprising the Milky Way, the Andromeda galaxy and about 50 others. The Local Group is in turn part of the Virgo Supercluster containing some 40,000 members. Beyond all this is an unseen object called the Great Attractor which is pulling the Milky Way and all else towards it at the terrific speed of 14 million mph. What is this thing, how far away is it, and what will happen when we reach it? No one knows.

Detailed observations of the galaxies around us indicate that there is superposed on the Hubble flow a large-scale streaming motion of about 600 km/s in the general direction of the constellation Centaurus.

This mass migration includes the Local Group, the Virgo Cluster, the Hydra--Centaurus Supercluster, and other groups and clusters for a distance of at least 60 Mpc up and downstream from us. It is as if a great river of galaxies (including our own) is flowing with a swift current of 600 km/s toward Centaurus.

Calculations indicate that ~1016 solar masses concentrated 65 Mpc away in the direction of Centaurus would account for this. This mass concentration has been dubbed the Great Attractor. Detailed investigation of that region of the galaxy cluster Abell 3627) finds 10 times too little visible matter to account for this flow, again implying a dominant gravitational role for unseen or dark matter. Thus, the Great Attractor is certainly there (because we see its gravitational influence), but the major portion of the mass that must be there cannot be seen in our telescopes.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The root to the word “BRAHMAN” originally meant “SPEECH”, much the same as the “LOGOS” is said to mean ‘WORD.

The Logos/word, and Brahman/speech, should be seen as the gathered information of past aeons that is waiting to be expressed. The LOGOS is in fact, the invisible living universal mind, in which is gathered all of the information of every universal body throughout all eternity and should be seen as the essential divine reality of the universe, the eternal spirit from which all being originates, and to which all must return.

The term, "THE WORD OF GOD," pertains to the sense that is identical to the term “LOGOS” or the mould. The mould by which the whole sense of a thing is given. In other words, the very plan from the outset. In Sanskrit the similar meaning is given in the use of the word 'vach.' Vach means word. But in Sanskrit teachings of the Sanatana Dharma, vach has many levels. Including where the word is first considered as being in the mind as a thought, not as the spoken word or speech.

The universe is immaterial-mental and spiritual” (1) – Richard Conn Henry, Professor of Physics and Astronomy at Johns Hopkins University (quote taken from “the mental universe)

A fundamental conclusion of the new quantum physics also acknowledges that the OBSERVER CREATES THE REALITY. As observers, we are personally involved with the creation of our own reality. Physicists are being forced to admit that the UNIVERSE IS "MENTAL CONSTRUCTION" .

Pioneering physicist Sir James Jeans wrote: “The stream of knowledge is heading toward a non-mechanical reality; the universe begins to look more like a great thought than like a great machine. Mind no longer appears to be an accidental intruder into the realm of matter, we ought rather hail it as the creator and governor of the realm of matter. (R. C. Henry, “The Mental Universe”; Nature 436:29, 2005)

The Logos/Brahman is the plan from the outset of the conception of each generation of the universe, and that is to develop within each generation, who each (Universal Body) occupy their own position in space-time, a Supreme Personality of Godhead to that body, which is a son and extension of the eternal evolving Logos.

IMO, that which is call the singularity, that produced the energy that has become this universe and all herein, was in fact a White Hole at the end of a worm hole or Einstein-Rosen bridge that connected it to the Black Hole into which the previous universe had descended, in that which we call 'The Big Crunch.'

In 1935, Einstein and physicist Nathan Rosen used the theory of general relativity to elaborate on the idea of black holes and worm holes, proposing the existence of "bridges" through space-time. These bridges connect two different points in space-time, theoretically creating a shortcut that could reduce travel time and distance; Billions of light years to mere metres.

A universe falling into a Great Gatherer would be spewed out in the trillions of degrees somewhere far beyond the visible horizon of the Cosmos and resurrected once again, to where the light from its previous position in Space-Time would take billions of years to Reach its new position, if ever.

According to general relativity, the gravitational collapse of a sufficiently compact mass forms a singular Schwarzschild black hole. In the Einstein–Cartan–Sciama–Kibble theory of gravity, however, it forms a regular Einstein–Rosen bridge.

The gravitational collapse of a single star such as the star of our solar system, can form a White Dwarf, the gravitational collapse of bigger stars can create a neutron star, or a Black Hole, depending on its mass, but not necessarily a Worm Hole.

A worm Hole could theoretically be used as a method of sending information or travelers through space, unfortunately, physical matter which includes humans journeying through the space tunnels would appear to be an impossibility as there are strong indications that material objects travelling through a worm hole is forbidden by the law of physics.

But now that it has been discovered that Physical matter is but an illusion, and all is, but the eternal energy, perhaps one day new technology may develop a way to teleport bodies of energy along light beams and reconstruct them to their original form, with no damage done. Wormholes may not only connect two separate regions within the Cosmos, they could also connect two different universes.

Word games and reinterpreting holy books after the fact is not very impressive.

Now if a holy book was accurate enough to inspire a discovery beforehand that would be something. You still have no facts supporting your beliefs.