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Rosicrucian mystery school

Ancient Soul

The Spiritual Universe
From my past research on the rosecrusians there statement is that when it comes to "beliefs" you mentally assent to, you are free to believe whatever you want, even if it disagrees with the order or individuals in the order.

Its all about helping one gain knowledge through experience.

However, that aside, from the book i read, atleast from that author, Jesus was the Son of God, and yahwah (God) is one God out of many. This God has a kingdom, which, there is many kingdoms amongs many Gods within the spirit realm.

There is a ultimate source for all these Gods, kingdoms and of course the entire universe.

This is based on my research.

Gasp!!!

You actually went and sought out other "gods" to worship???!!!

I don't think that's going to sit too well with your jealous wrathful "god"!
 
Gasp!!!

You actually went and sought out other "gods" to worship???!!!

I don't think that's going to sit too well with your jealous wrathful "god"!

You dont think INTENT plays a role in anything anyone does?

No, i did not seek other gods.

Define for me your version of spirituality?
 
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Ancient Soul

The Spiritual Universe
You dont think INTENT plays a role in anything anyone does?

No, i did not seek other gods.

Define for me your version of spirituality?

What???

After your mega mental meltdown and demanding that I abide by your made up debating rules, and I REFUSED, are you now trying to debate with me???!!!!
 
What???

After your mega mental meltdown and demanding that I abide by your made up debating rules, and I REFUSED, are you now trying to debate with me???!!!!

No, im asking you two questions and telling you a statement of my intent in learning the rosecrusians.

Thats not debating.

I still wont debate you unless you abide by my terms.
 

Ancient Soul

The Spiritual Universe
No, im asking you two questions and telling you a statement of my intent in learning the rosecrusians.

Thats not debating.

I still wont debate you unless you abide by my terms.

Sure looks like you are trying to debate me. Or don't you understand how debates even work?
 

Ancient Soul

The Spiritual Universe
And how do you know im dishonest?

Because you have refused to stick to any topic I tried debating with you, and instead tried all kinds of deceitful tactics of AVOIDANCE. Then you made up some lies about me to cover your tracks as you ran off just because I TRIED to make you stick to the topic of debate.

No honest person would do that.
 
Because you have refused to stick to any topic I tried debating with you, and instead tried all kinds of deceitful tactics of AVOIDANCE. Then you made up some lies about me to cover your tracks as you ran off just because I TRIED to make you stick to the topic of debate.

No honest person would do that.

I did not change the topic at all. I answered your point on it and you attacked me as dishonest.

Again, how was i dishonest?
 
See!!!

You once again have been dishonest!

You are incapable of telling the truth.

Your incredable. Lets recap.

You made the argument that religion just wants your money.

I said that theres non religious people, organizations that are atheistic driven and THEY make money.

Money does not equel false ideas, it equels people need to make a living.

You call me dishonest for saying this.

How is this dishonest? Is everyone who disagrees with you dishonest?
 

Ancient Soul

The Spiritual Universe
Your incredable. Lets recap.

You made the argument that religion just wants your money.

I said that theres non religious people, organizations that are atheistic driven and THEY make money.

Money does not equel false ideas, it equels people need to make a living.

You call me dishonest for saying this.

How is this dishonest? Is everyone who disagrees with you dishonest?

And THERE it is!!!

Your deceit!

"I" was talking about RELIGIONS.

And "you" brought in other groups that had NOTHING to do with RELIGIONS.

Then you repeatedly lied about it by saying that your reply had to do with the topic, which was RELIGIONS.

If you want to prove me "wrong", at least have the honesty to try showing that religions refuse everyone's money or something like that. Not bring in totally different groups that I stated NOTHING about.
 
And THERE it is!!!

Your deceit!

"I" was talking about RELIGIONS.

And "you" brought in other groups that had NOTHING to do with RELIGIONS.

Then you repeatedly lied about it by saying that your reply had to do with the topic, which was RELIGIONS.

Your lying right now. And manipulating. One of us is lying here. Its not me. Its you. And you think your "spiritual" for this?

My reply was a part of the topic. My point was honest and legitimate. Calling me dishonest for it instead of articulating a proper counter point, thus makes you the truely dishonest person.

My point is, if you want to attack religions because they are funded, well, ok, be consistent and attack those people who write books attacking religions, because those people make money off there books.

The attackers of "religion" makes it still about the topic of religion.

What im telling you is a honest, ligitamate point. Calling me dishonest for it, without a proper counter, truly makes YOU dishonest. Or, makes you not intelligent enough to THINK of a counter argument.

If your dishonest and unintelligent, then your not a worthy debate opponent for me because i have more honesty in my baby finger then you have in your whole body. And im way smarter then you are.

So, if i debate you, its akin to a grownup fighting with a child. Its not a fair match.

If you want to prove me "wrong", at least have the honesty to try showing that religions refuse everyone's money or something like that. Not bring in totally different groups that I stated NOTHING about.

I never said religions dont accept money. I INFACT agreed with you. Why would i argue they dont when i agree they do?

My point is, accepting funds does not prove the IDEAS of religion are false.

Do you understand?

Just like the cretics of religion who write books, and get money for those books, them accepting money dont prove there criticism of religion is false either.

All ideas of religion and all criticism of religion has to be examined on its own merits, not on the basis of whether it acceps money.

LOGIC 101!
 

Ancient Soul

The Spiritual Universe
Your lying right now. And manipulating. One of us is lying here. Its not me. Its you. And you think your "spiritual" for this?

My reply was a part of the topic. My point was honest and legitimate. Calling me dishonest for it instead of articulating a proper counter point, thus makes you the truely dishonest person.

My point is, if you want to attack religions because they are funded, well, ok, be consistent and attack those people who write books attacking religions, because those people make money off there books.

The attackers of "religion" makes it still about the topic of religion.

What im telling you is a honest, ligitamate point. Calling me dishonest for it, without a proper counter, truly makes YOU dishonest. Or, makes you not intelligent enough to THINK of a counter argument.

If your dishonest and unintelligent, then your not a worthy debate opponent for me because i have more honesty in my baby finger then you have in your whole body. And im way smarter then you are.

So, if i debate you, its akin to a grownup fighting with a child. Its not a fair match.



I never said religions dont accept money. I INFACT agreed with you. Why would i argue they dont when i agree they do?

My point is, accepting funds does not prove the IDEAS of religion are false.

Do you understand?

Just like the cretics of religion who write books, and get money for those books, them accepting money dont prove there criticism of religion is false either.

All ideas of religion and all criticism of religion has to be examined on its own merits, not on the basis of whether it acceps money.

WOW!

Spaz much???!!!

Religions, especially the Christian religion was INVENTED entirely by MEN who wanted to control people, self-aggrandize themselves in the community, and con people out of their money. Back when your mythology was invented, "religions" were actually competing "businesses", each one trying to outdo the other. And NONE of them had any true spiritual teachings.

I did my research, and thems the facts.

So don't go deceitfully/dishonestly bringing in other garbage that has absolutely NOTHING to do with that. Anything else IS off topic. So I don't want to hear about anything else.
 
WOW!

Spaz much???!!!

Religions, especially the Christian religion was INVENTED entirely by MEN who wanted to control people, self-aggrandize themselves in the community, and con people out of their money. Back when your mythology was invented, "religions" were actually competing "businesses", each one trying to outdo the other. And NONE of them had any true spiritual teachings.

I did my research, and thems the facts.

So don't go deceitfully/dishonestly bringing in other garbage that has absolutely NOTHING to do with that. Anything else IS off topic. So I don't want to hear about anything else.

Thems the facts huh? Before you can call something a fact, you gotta prove it so.

So, since you havent, what gives you such a right to call me dishonest?

Furthermore, that statement of yours groups all religions (that make up many people) with the SAME motives.

Again, you got some serious trust issues.

Furthermore, your saying there was no spiritual teachings at all. PROVE IT.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Yea there's one in Dallas. I have though about going here for sometime. I'm putting this up here to see if anyone has a criticism and or debate for me.

Its mostly the old mystery schools from the past Greek Roman, probably Jewish and there is definite Egyptian study in it.
When I was in the Pagan style Unitarian Universal church I went through several stages of different Pagan beliefs I was in interested in mainly Celtic and Heathen, Heathen being the big one because my dads side of the family.

But I broke away from that, however I still have a belief in nature. When I meditate I become one with nature.
But the one Pagan group from the past I could not get out of my mind was Egypt. Love the pyramids the art music, stuff that came from Egypt.

Yes I realize they had slaves and Christians claim the Jewish exodus is true . However all religions were war like and ignorant back in the day but I know they meditation techniques and some of the mystery school philosophy is good and right,

So and its beautiful they do have a self improvement mentality and I believe the inner God self, new age. It ought to be good.

So does anyone have any debate, criticism of the Rosicrucian order? Here's a short video on it looks awesome. I'm gonna try to go this month.

Videos for the Rosicrucian Order, AMORC

I don't know much about them. I know that a girl I worked with who read tarot cards considered herself a Rosicrucian. Certainly she would not have been accepted in most churches. My church didn't toss me out because of it but I was instructed not to speak of things contrary to church doctrine. I voluntarily left because I like to talk about religion.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Well, here's my limited input with them.

I've had a very spiritual existence, starting when just a very little child. So at one time I was trying to find out if other religions or spiritual teaching described any of the spiritual experiences I had. So I joined the Rosicrucian Order but quickly gave up because of their references to the jesus myth/Christianity.

As the way I see it, if they have even some false teachings, that corrupts anything they had to offer. It's like dealing with a liar. There is no way to tell what are their lies, or what are the few truths tucked in among all the lies.

There was also some references to "rituals", which all rituals are bogus. They have nothing to do with true spirituality and are just a placebo.

I believe I a fascinated by a person who thinks he is spiritual and rejects Christianity. What spirit is left other than an evil spirit?
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Not sure what you mean by 'twelver", as I only see "none" in my profile for "religion".

Well, I gave you my distinction between the two, but if you want to hold to the mainstream lumping them both together, ok.

But from my already defined viewpoint on the two, if you take out the word "religion" from your first sentence, I would agree to your first statement.

And yes, SOME religions and spiritual teachings are as you stated in the last part of your post.

BUT there is still more to be learned from many of the moderate to excellent spiritual teachings, and nothing worth while at all from ANY of the religions.

I believe he has you confused with another poster who does.
 

Ancient Soul

The Spiritual Universe
I believe I a fascinated by a person who thinks he is spiritual and rejects Christianity. What spirit is left other than an evil spirit?

That's funny, I'm fascinated by people who think they are "spiritual" and follow a mythology that is spiritually void, and worship an evil "god"..
 
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