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'Christ's family were refugees too'

Vouthon

Dominus Deus tuus ignis consumens est
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Jesus and family were 'refugees,' Ocasio-Cortez points out in Christmas message

Ocasio-Cortez gets abuse on Twitter for saying 'Christ's family were refugees too' in Christmas message



“The émigré Holy Family of Nazareth, fleeing into Egypt, is the archetype of every refugee family.”


– Pope Pius XII, 1952, in Exsul Familia Nazarethena

Arise, and take the child and his mother, and flee into Egypt….” (Matthew 2:13).

'Jesus was a refugee', Pope Francis says ahead of World Refugee Day

And Jesus said unto us: I am the hope for them that are in despair, the helper of the helpless, the treasure of the poor and the doctor of the sick. (The Epistula Apostolorum: Epistle of the Apostles (140 - 150 A.D.))



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Do you remember that passage from the Gospel of Matthew, where the Holy Family are attempting to flee into exile across the border from a mad ruler...and Mary and Joseph are detained as criminals and separated from the infant Jesus, who is subsequently put in a cage in a detention centre?

Of course, the actual Nativity we are all familiar with - through endless kindergarten and school plays, and festive greeting cards - doesn't end like that. While King Herod is off slaughtering the innocents to try and kill future claimants to his throne, Mary and Joseph safely cross the border into Egypt, where they are given sanctuary far away from the Judean monarch's infanticidal policies.

But sadly, in this day and age, such a fate - separation of refugee children from their families at a border - became a stark reality, as the world looked aghast at the ugly face of the Trump administration.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez - who is a practising Catholic, as well as being a democratic socialist and progressive politician - recently became embroiled in a heated media storm with Trump supporting American pundits, over a Christmas tweet in which she said that Jesus and his parents were refugees fleeing persecution - and so implicitly comparing the plight of modern-day refugees on the U.S. border and in Europe with that of the Holy Family. Apparently, this is tantamount to sacrilege and blasphemy - judging by the reaction she received from certain quarters.

Her 'crime' was to remind her twitter followers of the bare facts of the original Christmas story and what befell the family of Jesus.

I, for one, completely agree with her and found myself feeling somewhat embittered by the vitriolic claims that she was exploiting the Nativity story and the festive holiday in the interests of narrow political opportunism and just couldn't give it a break to honour the sacred day.

The fact is that in fleeing Judea for Egypt - with nursing mother and child in toe - to escape the despotism and paranoia of King Herod in Judea, as he set about murdering baby boys, the Holy Family did become prototypes for families the world over and throughout history, who are forced by war, famine, discrimination or desperation to uproot themselves and seek shelter in an alien land for their personal safety.

There is undeniable social commentary at the heart of the Christmas story and of Christianity more generally. This is is evident to everyone who studies the texts in detail.

When the pregnant Mary contemplates the significance of her role as the future Mother of the Redeemer of the Human Race, in Luke's literary narrative, with the potent words, "God my Saviour...has looked with favour on the lowliness of his maidservant...He has scattered the proud in the thoughts of their hearts. He has brought down the powerful from their thrones, and lifted up the lowly; he has filled the hungry with good things, and sent the rich away empty." (Luke 1:47-53), this should be a red-alert to readers that conventional societal norms are being called into question and that the Christ-child represents the birth of a hope that, while transcending this earthly world, radically inverts its values and oppressive structures.

This is the longest speech delivered by a woman in the New Testament and it has proved to be massively influential in the history of Christian thought. Mary begins by glorifying the greatness of God (Luke 1:46), acknowledges her devotion to the Lord (Luke 1:48), and then promises deliverance to the poor and oppressed through the reversal of unjust social structures, courtesy of the salvific hope she carries in her womb: the as-yet-unborn Jesus (Luke 1:50-53).

It is indisputable that the wealthy and prideful authority, alluded to in the Magnificat and foremost in the mind of the Evangelist, was King Herod.

Regardless of its historicity or lack thereof, the Nativity story as it has passed down to us is a powerful and truly beautiful parable. The Creator of the universe incarnates in the womb of a powerless Jewish peasant girl, wife to a humble carpenter. His first hours are spent in a manger intended for animal feed because there is no space for his family in the village inn or upper rooms, and his parents then, for his own safety, are compelled to flee their homeland for an uncertain future in another country to escape the clutches of a power-hungry monarch. His coming is announced first to shepherds (powerless country folk, on the peripheries of Judean society) and foreigners (the Magi), symbolising the focus of his mission as an adult to the excluded and marginalised. This baby boy, the victim of so much misfortune at his birth - the polar opposite of a royal upbringing or heroic origins, as with an ancient Greek or Roman aristocratic hero - grows up to be (according to the Evangelists) the "Prince of Peace" and true King of Kings, friend of prostitutes, sinners, the disabled, the poor, sick, the alien and the oppressed.

Yes, the Holy Family were refugees. And this is essential to understanding the intended meaning of the story. The Holy Family, denied any welcome and giving birth to Jesus in a stable, until finally given sanctuary not in their own country but in a foreign land by people of another race. The word to focus on is pheuge, “flee,” from which comes the word “refugee,” the one who flees. Thus even Matthew’s angel labels the Holy Family as refugees.

As Daniel J. Harrington, S.J., a New Testament scholar, reminds us in his commentary on Matthew in the Sacra Pagina series:

Egypt, which came under Roman control in 30 B.C., was outside the jurisdiction of Herod. Egypt had been the traditional place of refuge for Jews both in biblical times (see 1 Kgs 11:40; Jer 26:21) and in the Maccabean era when the high priest Onias IV fled there.

Why do some people strive to blunt the sharp social commentary-aspects of the Gospel message, yet claim fidelity to Christ?

His teaching:


'I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in...For truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me" (Matthew 25:38)

According to Ms Ocasio-Cortez's religion, the principles of the natural law dictate that due to the “unity of all mankind, which exists in law and in fact, individuals do not feel themselves isolated units, like grains of sand” for which reason “the nations are not destined to break the unity of the human race, but rather to enrich and embellish it by the sharing of their own peculiar gifts and by that reciprocal interchange of goods” (Pope Pius XII, 1939), meaning that "the natural law itself, no less than devotion to humanity", urges that “ways of migration be opened to people forced by revolutions in their own countries, or by unemployment or hunger to leave their homes and live in foreign lands because “the sovereignty of the State cannot be exaggerated to the point that access to this land is, for inadequate or unjustified reasons, denied to needy and decent people from other nations” (Pope Pius XII, 1952).

Good on Ms. Ocasio-Cortez for preaching and living by these principles this Christmastime! Thank you for reminding us all of the events of the Christmas story.

We need more politicians like her.
 
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Debater Slayer

Vipassana
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That's why I think this whole Immigration debate should not be happening.

In an ideal world, immigration would never be a problem. But we don't live in an ideal world, and sometimes cultural differences cause major disruption when immigration isn't controlled properly.

I believe the best approach to the immigration debate is to try to find a balance between being accepting of immigration and at the same time not being naively accepting of every culture or cultural practice in existence.
 

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
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Muhammad and Moses were both refugees as well as the founder of my faith.

The story of Christ's flight to Egypt reminds us of the refugees that have no choice but to flee tyranny or face death. The story is a powerful reminder at a time when some refugees are being blamed and victimised.
 

Vouthon

Dominus Deus tuus ignis consumens est
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Muhammad and Moses were both refugees as well as the founder of my faith.

The story of Christ's flight to Egypt reminds us of the refugees that have no choice but to flee tyranny or face death. The story is a powerful reminder at a time when some refugees are being blamed and victimised.

Amen @adrian009!

Migration to Abyssinia - Wikipedia

The Migration to Abyssinia (Arabic: الهجرة إلى الحبشة‎, al-hijra ʾilā al-habaša), also known as the First Hegira (Arabic: هِجْرَة‎ hijrah), was an episode in the early history of Islam, where Prophet Muhammad's first followers (the Sahabah) fled from the persecution of the ruling Quraysh tribe of Mecca. They sought refuge in the Christian Kingdom of Aksum, present-day Eritrea and Ethiopia (formerly referred to as Abyssinia, an ancient name whose origin is debated),[1] in 9 BH (613 CE) or 7 BH (615 CE).


Should anyone seek refuge with you, extend unto him your protection and betray him not.
Baha’u’llah, The Summons of the Lord of Hosts, p. 93.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
safely cross the border into Egypt, where they are given sanctuary far away from the Judean monarch's infanticidal policies.

Regardless of its historicity or lack thereof, the Nativity story as it has passed down to us is a powerful and truly beautiful parable.

We need more politicians like her.

She's young and still has maturing to do. Just like everyone else, she'll make mistakes. But her very nature is a threat because of her gender and because she challenges the status quo. From what I've seen her heart is in the right place and that is enough for me to support her. I was silently cheering her Christmas day tweet:

True love is radical because it requires us to see ourselves in all people. Otherwise, it isn’t love.

Love is revolutionary because it has us treat ALL people as we would ourselves - not because we are charitable, but because we are one.

That is love’s radical conclusion.

That is an existential challenge to all those who would divide the world into us, the good guys, and them, the bad guys. This includes not only the right, but also the status quo left.

And, for what it's worth, trying to move toward seeing the Oneness in all is a standing challenge for me.
 

Kelly of the Phoenix

Well-Known Member
I believe the best approach to the immigration debate is to try to find a balance between being accepting of immigration and at the same time not being naively accepting of every culture or cultural practice in existence.
As long as "natives" also get somehow punished for doing bad things. Domestic-born crime is way larger than anything any immigrant can do.
 

Ancient Soul

The Spiritual Universe
Jesus and family were 'refugees,' Ocasio-Cortez points out in Christmas message

Ocasio-Cortez gets abuse on Twitter for saying 'Christ's family were refugees too' in Christmas message



“The émigré Holy Family of Nazareth, fleeing into Egypt, is the archetype of every refugee family.”


– Pope Pius XII, 1952, in Exsul Familia Nazarethena

Arise, and take the child and his mother, and flee into Egypt….” (Matthew 2:13).

'Jesus was a refugee', Pope Francis says ahead of World Refugee Day

And Jesus said unto us: I am the hope for them that are in despair, the helper of the helpless, the treasure of the poor and the doctor of the sick. (The Epistula Apostolorum: Epistle of the Apostles (140 - 150 A.D.))



images



Do you remember that passage from the Gospel of Matthew, where the Holy Family are attempting to flee into exile across the border from a mad ruler...and Mary and Joseph are detained as criminals and separated from the infant Jesus, who is subsequently put in a cage in a detention centre?

Of course, the actual Nativity we are all familiar with - through endless kindergarten and school plays, and festive greeting cards - doesn't end like that. While King Herod is off slaughtering the innocents to try and kill future claimants to his throne, Mary and Joseph safely cross the border into Egypt, where they are given sanctuary far away from the Judean monarch's infanticidal policies.

But sadly, in this day and age, such a fate - separation of refugee children from their families at a border - became a stark reality, as the world looked aghast at the ugly face of the Trump administration.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez - who is a practising Catholic, as well as being a democratic socialist and progressive politician - recently became embroiled in a heated media storm with Trump supporting American pundits, over a Christmas tweet in which she said that Jesus and his parents were refugees fleeing persecution - and so implicitly comparing the plight of modern-day refugees on the U.S. border and in Europe with that of the Holy Family. Apparently, this is tantamount to sacrilege and blasphemy - judging by the reaction she received from certain quarters.

Her 'crime' was to remind her twitter followers of the bare facts of the original Christmas story and what befell the family of Jesus.

I, for one, completely agree with her and found myself feeling somewhat embittered by the vitriolic claims that she was exploiting the Nativity story and the festive holiday in the interests of narrow political opportunism and just couldn't give it a break to honour the sacred day.

The fact is that in fleeing Judea for Egypt - with nursing mother and child in toe - to escape the despotism and paranoia of King Herod in Judea, as he set about murdering baby boys, the Holy Family did become prototypes for families the world over and throughout history, who are forced by war, famine, discrimination or desperation to uproot themselves and seek shelter in an alien land for their personal safety.

There is undeniable social commentary at the heart of the Christmas story and of Christianity more generally. This is is evident to everyone who studies the texts in detail.

When the pregnant Mary contemplates the significance of her role as the future Mother of the Redeemer of the Human Race, in Luke's literary narrative, with the potent words, "God my Saviour...has looked with favour on the lowliness of his maidservant...He has scattered the proud in the thoughts of their hearts. He has brought down the powerful from their thrones, and lifted up the lowly; he has filled the hungry with good things, and sent the rich away empty." (Luke 1:47-53), this should be a red-alert to readers that conventional societal norms are being called into question and that the Christ-child represents the birth of a hope that, while transcending this earthly world, radically inverts its values and oppressive structures.

This is the longest speech delivered by a woman in the New Testament and it has proved to be massively influential in the history of Christian thought. Mary begins by glorifying the greatness of God (Luke 1:46), acknowledges her devotion to the Lord (Luke 1:48), and then promises deliverance to the poor and oppressed through the reversal of unjust social structures, courtesy of the salvific hope she carries in her womb: the as-yet-unborn Jesus (Luke 1:50-53).

It is indisputable that the wealthy and prideful authority, alluded to in the Magnificat and foremost in the mind of the Evangelist, was King Herod.

Regardless of its historicity or lack thereof, the Nativity story as it has passed down to us is a powerful and truly beautiful parable. The Creator of the universe incarnates in the womb of a powerless Jewish peasant girl, wife to a humble carpenter. His first hours are spent in a manger intended for animal feed because there is no space for his family in the village inn or upper rooms, and his parents then, for his own safety, are compelled to flee their homeland for an uncertain future in another country to escape the clutches of a power-hungry monarch. His coming is announced first to shepherds (powerless country folk, on the peripheries of Judean society) and foreigners (the Magi), symbolising the focus of his mission as an adult to the excluded and marginalised. This baby boy, the victim of so much misfortune at his birth - the polar opposite of a royal upbringing or heroic origins, as with an ancient Greek or Roman aristocratic hero - grows up to be (according to the Evangelists) the "Prince of Peace" and true King of Kings, friend of prostitutes, sinners, the disabled, the poor, sick, the alien and the oppressed.

Yes, the Holy Family were refugees. And this is essential to understanding the intended meaning of the story. The Holy Family, denied any welcome and giving birth to Jesus in a stable, until finally given sanctuary not in their own country but in a foreign land by people of another race. The word to focus on is pheuge, “flee,” from which comes the word “refugee,” the one who flees. Thus even Matthew’s angel labels the Holy Family as refugees.

As Daniel J. Harrington, S.J., a New Testament scholar, reminds us in his commentary on Matthew in the Sacra Pagina series:

Egypt, which came under Roman control in 30 B.C., was outside the jurisdiction of Herod. Egypt had been the traditional place of refuge for Jews both in biblical times (see 1 Kgs 11:40; Jer 26:21) and in the Maccabean era when the high priest Onias IV fled there.

Why do some people strive to blunt the sharp social commentary-aspects of the Gospel message, yet claim fidelity to Christ?

His teaching:


'I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in...For truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me" (Matthew 25:38)

According to Ms Ocasio-Cortez's religion, the principles of the natural law dictate that due to the “unity of all mankind, which exists in law and in fact, individuals do not feel themselves isolated units, like grains of sand” for which reason “the nations are not destined to break the unity of the human race, but rather to enrich and embellish it by the sharing of their own peculiar gifts and by that reciprocal interchange of goods” (Pope Pius XII, 1939), meaning that "the natural law itself, no less than devotion to humanity", urges that “ways of migration be opened to people forced by revolutions in their own countries, or by unemployment or hunger to leave their homes and live in foreign lands because “the sovereignty of the State cannot be exaggerated to the point that access to this land is, for inadequate or unjustified reasons, denied to needy and decent people from other nations” (Pope Pius XII, 1952).

Good on Ms. Ocasio-Cortez for preaching and living by these principles this Christmastime! Thank you for reminding us all of the events of the Christmas story.

We need more politicians like her.

Morally speaking I agree with her compassion.

But as a U.S. Government official she should NOT have brought her religious beliefs into the argument. Because of the separation of church and state amendment. So legally and politically wise, she could be in big trouble.
 

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
Amen @adrian009!

Migration to Abyssinia - Wikipedia

The Migration to Abyssinia (Arabic: الهجرة إلى الحبشة‎, al-hijra ʾilā al-habaša), also known as the First Hegira (Arabic: هِجْرَة‎ hijrah), was an episode in the early history of Islam, where Prophet Muhammad's first followers (the Sahabah) fled from the persecution of the ruling Quraysh tribe of Mecca. They sought refuge in the Christian Kingdom of Aksum, present-day Eritrea and Ethiopia (formerly referred to as Abyssinia, an ancient name whose origin is debated),[1] in 9 BH (613 CE) or 7 BH (615 CE).


Should anyone seek refuge with you, extend unto him your protection and betray him not.
Baha’u’llah, The Summons of the Lord of Hosts, p. 93.

There is an interesting story about the Muslim's first flight to Abysinnia which is of special significance for Christianity. It was Muhammad's own tribesman the Quraysh who tried to destroy Him and the Muslims because monotheism was seen as a threat to their polytheism.

According to the traditional view, members of the early Muslim community in Mecca faced persecution, which prompted Muhammad to advise them to seek refuge in Abyssinia. The earliest extant account is given in Ibn Ishaq's sira:

When the apostle saw the affliction of his companions, [...] he said to them: "If you were to go Abyssinia (it would be better for you), for the king will not tolerate injustice and it is a friendly country, until such time as Allah shall relieve you from your distress." Thereupon his companions went to Abyssinia, being afraid of apostasy and fleeing to God with their religion. This was the first hijra in Islam.


The King Negus was a Christian. Muhammad prepared the group who fled to Ethopia by revealing the Surah of Mary (the nineteenth chapter of the Quran) dedicated to Mary, the mother of Jesus, seen as the greatest woman ever in Islam.

Maryam (surah) - Wikipedia

When the Quraysh learned that Muhammad's companions could safely practice their religion in Abyssinia, they decided to send an embassy to the Negus to demand return of the fugitives. They selected two envoys, ‘Amr ibn al-‘As and Abdullah bin Rabiah, and gave them gifts for the king and his generals. The gifts were made up of leather prepared by fine skin, Abyssinians were fond of leather goods so it was a bribe for them.[11][12] (baṭāriqa). The Meccans appealed to the generals, arguing that the emigrants were "foolish youths" who invented a new religion the likes of which neither the Meccans nor the Abyssinians had heard of and that their relatives were asking for their return. The king granted them audience, but he refused to hand over people who had sought his protection until he heard their side of the story.[11][12]

The Muslims were brought in front of the Negus (or "al-Najashi" in Arabic) and his bishops. Ja‘far ibn Abī Tālib, who acted as the leader of the exiles, spoke in their defense. He described to the king how they lived before Islam, Muhammad's prophetic mission, and what he had taught them. He also spoke of the persecution they had faced at the hands of the Quraysh. The king asked if they had with them anything which had come from God. When Ja‘far confirmed, the king commanded him to read it. Ja‘far then recited a passage from the Surah of Mary. When the king heard it, he wept and exclaimed: "verily, this and what Jesus brought (Gospel) has come from the same source of light (miškāt)". He then affirmed that he would never give up the Muslims.

Migration to Abyssinia - Wikipedia
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
The Nativity had nothing to do with being a refugee. The reason Joseph and Mary traveled to Bethlehem was to be counted in the census. The census was imposed by Rome and implemented by local leaders to count bodies for tax purposes.

Joseph was a carpenter, with carpenters earning a good living, like in modern times. He and Mary had to travel, due to Big Government decree, to their town of birth, for the census, even with Mary far along in her pregnancy. Mary was put at risk by the bureaucrats of Big Government.

There was no air, bus or car travel back then, so they traveled by donkey. A 8-9 month pregnant woman on a donkey, traveling dirt roads, had to go slow, less he be induced to birth. When they arrived in Bethlehem all the hotels, motels and inns were full of travelers who were there earlier for the census.

Joseph could easily afford a hotel room but there were none available. The inn keeper, seeing Mary was near birth, offered the only accommodations left, which was the animal stables, which housed the travel animals of their guests. Under the circumstances of imposition by Big Government, they had no choice but to stay in a stables, under penalty of missing the census.

As far as the fleeing to Egypt, this was cause by the heavy hand of big government who decided to take away the rights of its citizens to have children. The King wanted everyone to abort they first born, since he fear the birth of a new king. The King was going to provide free abortions even to pro-lifers.

Joseph and Mary would not have left their home and become refugees, if Big Government had stayed out of their business. For example, people are fleeing states like New York and California for places like Florida, Arizona and Texas due to the heavy tax and regulation hand of Big Government Democrat states. These refuges find refuge in states with the easier policies of smaller government. They become refuges because of the threat by Democrat led governments, who try to abort their American dreams via a huge tax burden.

The modern refugees, such as South American, are in motion due to the own heavy handed Big Governments. This is the source of evil, but the Democrats do not see it that way since it is liking looking in a mirror. The Governors of NY or California do not see themselves as the problem and source of loss citizens. Nobody wants to leave a home that is safe and has friends and opportunity. Yet big Governmemt makes so bad they have no choice.
 
One reminder for all Christians, and those that will hold to truth than compromise what they believe, is to remember that we WILL be refugees in the future.

When the system starts being controlled by a one world religion and government, then all those that reject this tyranny will be sentenced to death. It will be a world wide persecution like never before.

This time will make what's happening in the US look like kids jumping over their cranky neighbors fence to retrieve their football by comparison.

All this is to get people to think about the golden rule. If you were one of those refugees, what would you want the answer to this debate be?

Food for Thought.

In peace
 
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