Do Voters Share the Blame for Trump?

[Curious George]

Trump is clearly way below par for what we should want out of a US President. Someone like him should never be put into the office of the President, but yet it happened. So did the system fail us? Did the voters fail? What do you think and why? And how do we prevent something like this from happening again?

Yes. I think that the U.S. citizens above the age of majority all share in this responsibility for Trump, and his actions-good or bad.

 

[youknowme]

I could rent you a backhoe if you wanted to keep digging!

I may have miss-interpreted you, but I am fairly positive that you missed read me as well. Now, I am just wondering, like I did, if you'll go back and try to catch your mistake.

 

[sun rise]

At what point did anti-war liberals become pro -war interventionists? I have no doubt if a certain president removed the U.S. from Vietnam years earlier he would have been praised as a hero.

Personally when I matured some more and became a believer that America had certain global responsibilities to our friends. And in the case of the terrorists, they attacked us directly. They started it. That crossed a line to me but apparently not to Trump. And apparently many on the right who were pro-intervention have now swapped sides as well.

 

[sun rise]

It does, however I entirely seperate my religion from my politics.

So if Trump murders someone it's not important because you separate religion and politics. So if Trump violates his oath of office, being an oath breaker is not important. Trump was correct when he said he could murder people and his base would not care.

Not if their moral compass does not align with my own. I don't want some yahoo pushing his/her/its sense of fricken morality, period. I just want them to do their bloody jobs. Is that asking too much?

So honesty is not important to you. And obeying the law is not important. And treating others as you want to be treated is unimportant.

And of course, he's not doing his bloody job. His failures are continuing and getting worse. The only thing he really did is to give a tax cut to the plutocrats while screwing the middle and lower income folk.

And his other "accomplishment" is to give aid-and-comfort to our enemies while attacking our friends.

 

[Cooky]

Personally when I matured some more and became a believer that America had certain global responsibilities to our friends. And in the case of the terrorists, they attacked us directly. They started it. That crossed a line to me but apparently not to Trump. And apparently many on the right who were pro-intervention have now swapped sides as well.

But really, the only reason we ever went into Syria and Iraq was because Russia. Whatever Russia is interested in, we immediately also are too.

...That's not a good enough reason IMO.

 

[Revoltingest]

So if Trump murders someone it's not important because you separate religion and politics. So if Trump violates his oath of office, being an oath breaker is not important. Trump was correct when he said he could murder people and his base would not care.



So honesty is not important to you. And obeying the law is not important. And treating others as you want to be treated is unimportant.

And of course, he's not doing his bloody job. His failures are continuing and getting worse. The only thing he really did is to give a tax cut to the plutocrats while screwing the middle and lower income folk.

And his other "accomplishment" is to give aid-and-comfort to our enemies while attacking our friends.

Do you see no successes?
Even his big tax increase on wealthier homeowners?

 

[Cooky]

And his other "accomplishment" is to give aid-and-comfort to our enemies while attacking our friends.

Not sure what you mean exactly.

 

[youknowme]

It sounds to me that some people are willing to sell their moral integrity.

 

[Curious George]

It sounds to me that some people are willing to sell their moral integrity.

You sound genuinely surprised by that.

 

[youknowme]

You sound genuinely surprised by that.

And I hope I never stop being surprised by it. I don't want to be ones of these people who have become numb to this type of behavior.

 

[youknowme]

The story coming out of the Right is no longer that he is innocent, it is now that they know he is scum but they don't care, as long as they get what they want.

 

[Cooky]

The story coming out of the Right is no longer that he is innocent, it is now that they know he is scum but they don't care, as long as they get what they want.

Yes. Trump is not our King. We should not idolize presidents or expect them to be our moral dictators. The left is completely obsessed with this guy Trump.

...The sheeple need a king?

 

[Revoltingest]

The story coming out of the Right is no longer that he is innocent, it is now that they know he is scum but they don't care, as long as they get what they want.

The flip side of that is the left doesn't care what
the results are, they care only that Trump is scum.

 

[YmirGF]

So if Trump murders someone it's not important because you separate religion and politics. So if Trump violates his oath of office, being an oath breaker is not important. Trump was correct when he said he could murder people and his base would not care.



So honesty is not important to you. And obeying the law is not important. And treating others as you want to be treated is unimportant.

And of course, he's not doing his bloody job. His failures are continuing and getting worse. The only thing he really did is to give a tax cut to the plutocrats while screwing the middle and lower income folk.

And his other "accomplishment" is to give aid-and-comfort to our enemies while attacking our friends.

My dear @sunrise I did not comment on the OP itself. My OFFICIAL RF position is that YES, people are responsible for the leaders they elect. I largely agree with much of what you have written in this thread. If that is not good enough, then I do not know what to say.

 

[youknowme]

Caring that our president is a traitor and a criminal is not a bad thing. That is not a bad mark for the "Left", instead it is a good mark for them.

 

[sun rise]

I particularly blame Democrat primary voters.
They're the ones who gave us this unholy choice.

Of course, this isn't "true" or any such foolishness.
It's just fun to hang responsibility for Trump's win on
those who hate him the most. But they still should
feel a little guilty.

Hillary Clinton was only an "unholy" choice in some minds, not mine.

 

[Revoltingest]

Hillary Clinton was only an "unholy" choice in some minds, not mine.

Aye, but those who chose denied us Bernie.
They sent some of us towards Trump.

Edit:
So much led to Trump's emerging, & then triumphing.
Democrats had little to offer...only 2 candidates in the
primaries. And then they scuttled that process.
Republicans had no one more inspiring than Trump...
....no one....really? He was the best they could muster.
And 3rd parties....they (we) couldn't fill that vacuum.
There are other additional factors leading up to this.
"Blame"....it seems to broad a word to apply.

 

[Stanyon]

Personally when I matured some more and became a believer that America had certain global responsibilities to our friends. And in the case of the terrorists, they attacked us directly. They started it. That crossed a line to me but apparently not to Trump. And apparently many on the right who were pro-intervention have now swapped sides as well.

Global responsibilities to allies whose leaders are more unpopular in their countries than Trump is in ours. May, Merkel, and the globalist bankster clown Macron, yes these are the people that will surely miss U.S. money, bombs, and blood in foreign adventurism and regime change efforts. All the while condemning Russia for supposedly undermining our democracies with funny pictures (memes) and dumb facebook ads that supported and demeaned Hillary and Trump. Russia did more to destroy ISIS than the U.S.

 

[PureX]

Trump is clearly way below par for what we should want out of a US President. Someone like him should never be put into the office of the President, but yet it happened. So did the system fail us? Did the voters fail? What do you think and why? And how do we prevent something like this from happening again?

Voters are to blame, somewhat. Especially those who didn't bother to vote. But the voting system in this country is seriously flawed, and has been from the beginning. And it's become even more corrupted in recent decades. Trump did not win the popular vote. Neither to George W. Bush, both times. The truth is that the republican party knows that they can no longer win elections to high office without cheating. And so they have been actively and deliberately rigging the electoral process by gerrymandering, voter suppression, candidate blocking, rigging voting machines, blocking polls, and fraudulent recounts for several decades. So not all the blame falls on the voters. Although, I suppose it could argued that they/we voted in, and then re-elected the very politicians that are carrying out all this election rigging. Which is true.

 

[Cooky]

Voters are to blame, somewhat. Especially those who didn't bother to vote. But the voting system in this country is seriously flawed, and has been from the beginning. And it's become even more corrupted in recent decades. Trump did not win the popular vote. Neither to George W. Bush, both times. The truth is that the republican party knows that they can no longer win elections to high office without cheating. And so they have been actively and deliberately rigging the electoral process by gerrymandering, voter suppression, candidate blocking, rigging voting machines, blocking polls, and fraudulent recounts for several decades. So not all the blame falls on the voters. Although, I suppose it could argued that they/we voted in, and then re-elected the very politicians that are carrying out all this election rigging. Which is true.

Think of the damage true democracy can cause... A rogue candidate out of nowhere claims to be Democrat, and makes a campaign promise that if elected, he will send every American with a yearly wage of under $50,000 a $200.00 check.

...Guess who's going to win that election. And based not on policy.