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Do Voters Share the Blame for Trump?

Stanyon

WWMRD?
And just before our cut and run from Syria, we bombed an ISIS base. They are no doubt salivating at the chance to run roughshod over the country again.
Iran is also thrilled at our cut and run. I don't see them as an existential danger to us, but they are not our friends.
We should support our friends.

At what point did anti-war liberals become pro -war interventionists? I have no doubt if a certain president removed the U.S. from Vietnam years earlier he would have been praised as a hero.
 

youknowme

Whatever you want me to be.
Not if their moral compass does not align with my own. I don't want some yahoo pushing his/her/its sense of fricken morality, period. I just want them to do their bloody jobs. Is that asking too much?

I am willing to bet that your "moral compass" more or less aligns with the greater majority of the people on this planet.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
I am willing to bet that your "moral compass" more or less aligns with the greater majority of the people on this planet.
Frankly, this strong atheist gets worried when the self-righteous start talking about morality,
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
Yes if you are Trump supporter you definetly have to seperate your religion from your politics because Trump has nothing to do with what any religion teaches except maybe scientology??

That's the way it should be.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
So you are assuming that I am religious? That is interesting.
Interesting, I was simply replying to your comment. At no point did I mention you by name or even infer that the barb was directed at you. Do you have a guilty conscience? It was a general global comment. Sue me.
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
We also could really use a wall right now, but the left continue injecting their moral values into politics.
 

youknowme

Whatever you want me to be.
Interesting, I was simply replying to your comment. At no point did I mention you by name or even infer that the barb was directed at you. Do you have a guilty conscience? It was a general global comment. Sue me.

Sorry, you quoted me, so I figured you were talking to me.

Anyways, it is commonly accepted that human behavior is the result of a combination of genetics, epigenetics, development and environment. The problem is figuring out how much of what and in what ways; however, I think it is likely what we consider "morals" has some foundation in our genes and physiology. Which is why it is not surprising that different cultures across the world ended up with similar common laws. No supernatural explanation needed. Now, I can't prove that, but I think it is a reasonable enough assumption, which is why I think probabilistically you are more likely to be morally aligned with the greater population than not, granted with some variation.
 
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Cooky

Veteran Member
What do we need a wall for? How about we start vetting as many foreign workers as we are willing to hire, then prosecute the illegal employers?
Tom

Because prospective illegal employees use fake ID's.

https://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2009/08/31/daily51.html
Arpaio says the raids are conducted under the 2007 Legal Arizona Workers Act and a federal 287(g) agreement, which allows the MCSO to arrest illegal immigrants. Arpaio said it is tough to prove businesses knowingly hire illegal immigrants who show fake IDs, but will arrest suspected workers during the raids. “It’s hard to hook the employer,” Arpaio said.
 

youknowme

Whatever you want me to be.
We also could really use a wall right now, but the left continue injecting their moral values into politics.

We already have four walls, all ready to go for Trump.

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YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Sorry, you quoted me, so I figured you were talking to me. I actually still think that.

Anyways, it is commonly accepted that human behavior is the result of a combination of genetics, epigenetics, development and environment. The problem is figuring out how much of what and in what ways; however, I think it is likely what we consider "morals" has some foundation in our genes and physiology. Which is why it is not surprising that different cultures across the world ended up with similar common laws. No supernatural explanation needed. Now, I can't prove that, but I think it is a reasonable enough assumption, which is why I think probabilistically you are more likely to be morally aligned with the greater population than not, granted with some variation.
I could rent you a backhoe if you wanted to keep digging!

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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I particularly blame Democrat primary voters.
They're the ones who gave us this unholy choice.

Of course, this isn't "true" or any such foolishness.
It's just fun to hang responsibility for Trump's win on
those who hate him the most. But they still should
feel a little guilty.
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Interesting, I was simply replying to your comment. At no point did I mention you by name or even infer imply that the barb was directed at you. Do you have a guilty conscience? It was a general global comment. Sue me.
Did I fix your post....or did I misread it?
 

youknowme

Whatever you want me to be.
I think it is hard to avoid the fact that the voters are at least partially to blame for Trump. In what ways and how much is probably not something we can ever agree on. However, I think an end to the Electoral College would be a move in the right direction.
 
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