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Earth's Population, Sustainable Limit.

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
Because the rich countries certainly didn't become rich and stay rich by exploiting the "craphole countries". Yeah, the people are just too "lazy" and want to leech off of us. :rolleyes:

I seriously doubt the U.S. or any other highly developed nation has stolen any significant amounts of edible insects from any undeveloped poor nation. I'd be nice if there were plenty of steaks and lobsters for everybody, but even I can't afford to devour these fine dining food items for every meal; however, there's enough highly nutritious edible insects to end world hunger.

Insects as food - Wikipedia

How can anybody feel sorry for people who are too lazy to simply capture and consume some nutritious edible insects that'd provide them with enough nourishment to have a thriving subsistence economy?


 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
Food? Countries like India, Mexico, China, Brazil, Russia are among top producers. You wouldn't necessarily call them rich. Of course there's rich agriculture countries too.

Medicine produced in rich countries isn't what many in poor countries can really afford, so the poorer countries make their own generics for essential needs, if big pharmaceutical companies don't hold the rights.

The United states is by far the most innovative nation in biology and medicine. ...:)

The Most Innovative Countries In Biology And Medicine
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
I seriously doubt the U.S. or any other highly developed nation has stolen any significant amounts of edible insects from any undeveloped poor nation. I'd be nice if there were plenty of steaks and lobsters for everybody, but even I can't afford to devour these fine dining food items for every meal; however, there's enough highly nutritious edible insects to end world hunger.

Insects as food - Wikipedia

How can anybody feel sorry for people who are too lazy to simply capture and consume some nutritious edible insects that'd provide them with enough nourishment to have a thriving subsistence economy?


... :/

Not to be too personal and I'm not trying to be mean, but have you ever been tested for autism or anything like that? I'm asking because I notice a pattern with you where you appear to not understand human behavior that should be obvious and lack empathy. That doesn't make you a bad person. I have friends like that (but it's caused by a condition other than autism). It should not be a mystery why people wouldn't want to eat insects all the time.
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
... :/

Not to be too personal and I'm not trying to be mean, but have you ever been tested for autism or anything like that? I'm asking because I notice a pattern with you where you appear to not understand human behavior that should be obvious and lack empathy. That doesn't make you a bad person. I have friends like that (but it's caused by a condition other than autism). It should not be a mystery why people wouldn't want to eat insects all the time.

My brother has a mild form of autism and I've been diagnosed as having Asperger's Syndrome ...o_O

 
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Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
My brother has a mild form of autism and I've been diagnosed as having Asperger's Syndrome ...o_O

Ah, that explains a lot of things. I suspected you may be on the spectrum. No worries. One of my friends has similar symptoms but that's due to their schizophrenia (the "negative symptoms") so I have experience with that. I actually suspected that they were autistic at first but that's not it in their case. I'll keep that in mind when it comes to your posts in the future. :thumbsup:
 

Shad

Veteran Member
Yes, China is up there. It's kind of in its own category as regards first or third world.

China more or less is a developed nation. It uses developing status as the UN gives aid, lowers standards and give preferred treatment due to said status. Standard gaming the system.
 

sayak83

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Valjean

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Premium Member
Give a man a fish, he's fed for a day. Teach a man to fish, he's fed for life. Many of these crap hole nations do indeed need to learn resourcefulness; there's plenty of ants and locusts in many places where people are malnourished. If third world class people there wouldn't be so fussy and dependent on developed nations like the U.S. to feed them, they could easily be self reliant on their own natural food sources.
Ants and locusts are fine food sources, of course, but aren't plentiful enough to sustain large populations. Nature just does not produce enough food to sustain large populations. That's why hunter-gatherers usually migrate periodically to sustain themselves, as regional food sources become scarce. That's why farming and pastoralism were invented.
Mar's gravity is approximately 38 percent that of Earth's gravity; whereas, Lunar gravity is less than 17 percent that of the Earth's gravity. My plan to terraform Mars would add over a trillion kilograms of mass to Mars and increase its gravitational strength to slightly more than 38 percent of the Earth's gravitational pull. ...:)

NASA's proposed artificial magnetosphere around the Martian Lagrange Point would keep a heavy greenhouse gas like Sulfur Hexafluoride from getting blown away in the Martian atmosphere by solar wind.
This sounds like a hugely complex and expensive engineering feat, dwarfing past engineering marvels like the Panama canal.
It would be far easier to fix Earth than to create a new one.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
Ants and locusts are fine food sources, of course, but aren't plentiful enough to sustain large populations. Nature just does not produce enough food to sustain large populations. That's why hunter-gatherers usually migrate periodically to sustain themselves, as regional food sources become scarce. That's why farming and pastoralism were invented.
This sounds like a hugely complex and expensive engineering feat, dwarfing past engineering marvels like the Panama canal.
It would be far easier to fix Earth than to create a new one.

Humans being a multi-planetary species ensures homo sapiens don't become extinct from a planetary disaster beyond humankind's control ...i.e. - a giant asteroid impact on Earth, massive volcanic eruption, worldwide plague, rogue nuclear destruction. etc and etc.
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
Humans have been transforming the planet for 10,000 years. Lebanon's vast cedar forests today are found mainly on its flag.
It's only recently, though, that the pace of destruction has become fast enough to become obvious.

I agree the Earth's biosphere should be extended around Earth, but why stop there. The Heavens are ours for the taking.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Humans being a multi-planetary species ensures homo sapiens don't become extinct from a planetary disaster beyond humankind's control ...i.e. - a giant asteroid impact on Earth, massive volcanic eruption, worldwide plague, rogue nuclear destruction. etc and etc.
The biggest threat to human survival is humans themselves. We're a planetary infection and seem to be killing out host. Of course, we're quite adept at killing ourselves off directly, as well.
I agree the Earth's biosphere should be extended around Earth, but why stop there. The Heavens are ours for the taking.
Pie in the sky fantasy.
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
The biggest threat to human survival is humans themselves. We're a planetary infection and seem to be killing out host. Of course, we're quite adept at killing ourselves off directly, as well.
Pie in the sky fantasy.

There's a specific detailed plan to terraform Mars that is very achievable with near future affordable interplanetary rocket powered transportation technology....see this thread's post #8
 
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