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Is Christmas Pagan?

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Paganism existed by Satan's will. Anything from it is off the table of demons( 1Cor 10:21) God says one cannot partake of that table--99% are mislead to. Satan beat those centuries ago with pagan additives in world celebrations.
I believe Santa is Satan. He steals 98% of Christmas celebration away from Jesus. He even comes first on dec 25th.
Not all is as appears in a Satan ruled system( 2Cor 11:12-15)

At least to me 'Santa is the god of Christmas' getting top billing.
I wonder how many trees are grown each year to be sacrificed to Santa______
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
Paganism existed by satans will. Anything from it is off the table of demons( 1Cor 10:21) God says one cannot partake of that table--99% are mislead to. Satan beat those centuries ago with pagan additives in world celebrations.
I believe santa is satan. He steals 98% of Christmas celebration away from Jesus. He even comes first on dec 25th.
Not all is as appears in a satan ruled system( 2Cor 11:12-15)

Are you suggesting there is nothing good at all in paganism?
 

james dixon

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Are you suggesting there is nothing good at all in paganism?

pa·gan·ism
noun

a religion other than one of the main world religions, specifically a non-Christian or pre-Christian religion.

"converts from paganism to Christianity"

a modern religious movement incorporating beliefs or practices from outside the main world religions, especially nature worship.


What's the big deal here, paganism is just referring to peoples beliefs before Christianity came along and those who worship nature instead of a deity.

What's the big deal-?
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
pa·gan·ism
noun

a religion other than one of the main world religions, specifically a non-Christian or pre-Christian religion.

"converts from paganism to Christianity"

a modern religious movement incorporating beliefs or practices from outside the main world religions, especially nature worship.


What's the big deal here, paganism is just referring to peoples beliefs before Christianity came along and those who worship nature instead of a deity.

What's the big deal-?

Exactly.

I've heard it said before that all of paganism is evil, and that anything that existed within pagan beliefs is automatically always evil. But that's impossible. Surely there are some noteworthy pagan beliefs.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
The pagans, who were anyone other than Christian, had nothing to do with satan - that was a Christian invention often used to persecute people.

To me Not a Christian invention, but an invention of 'Christendom' (so-called Christian but mostly in name only).
Christendom started after 1st-century Christianity ended with the death of the apostles- Act of the Apostles 20:29-30.
So, Christmas is an invention of Christendom (apostate Christianity) but it smacks of Satan because of lies.
Lies beginning with Jesus being born in December, and lies about the three magi being at the manger scene.
Jesus called Satan the 'father' of the lie. 'Father' means: life giver. So, Satan is created with telling the first lie.
Even if one calls Satan as being a Christian or biblical invention a lie by any other name is still a lie.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Imo Christianity adopted pagan festivals to get people to convert,churches near pagan sites too eased the transition .

To me, rather Christendom (apostate Christianity) is what adopted non-biblical festivals to convert people.
Christendom was easing the people, or possibly more likely trying to force people, to conform or convert.
1st-century Christians did Not blend or mix with non-Christian ideas or practices.
That mixing started after the apostles died off the scene as we are informed at Acts of the Apostles 20:29-30.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
I've heard it said before that all of paganism is evil, and that anything that existed within pagan beliefs is automatically always evil. But that's impossible. Surely there are some noteworthy pagan beliefs.

What is scripturally wrong is the mixing or fusing of non-biblical beliefs with the biblical.
Putting Christian names or labels on the non-biblical is scripturally wrong as per 1 Corinthians 10:20-21.
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
What is scripturally wrong is the mixing or fusing of non-biblical beliefs with the biblical.
Putting Christian names or labels on the non-biblical is scripturally wrong as per 1 Corinthians 10:20-21.

But this is fundamentalism.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
So tis the season to be Pagan.So if your Christian do you celebrate Christmas? My sister is Messianic Christian and she and her family do not celebrate Christmas because of its Pagan origins.
Cultures borrow from each other, so the reality is Christmas is no more "pagan" than reading from the Tanakh ("O.T.").
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
I am wondering if you could be more specific about the ^ above ^
Sure. It seems like you're attempting to answer all the questions in life by using scripture, especially considering that the O.T. scripture you used was for a specific time and place... That's a huge mistake, IMO, because the scriptures do not suggest that they have the answer to all the situations that you will encounter in life.

...There are some things where we will have to use our own God given consciences, and often times, I feel it's best to appeal to compassion in our dealings.

There is nothing evil about Christmas trees!
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
Do fundamentalists reject cat scans and x-rays because they were invented by gentiles?

...Probably medicines and vaccines are evil too, because they're not in the bible?
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
Fact is, is that we're one human race before any religion... That's what Christianity, as a concept, was all about from it's very conception.
 

Bear Wild

Well-Known Member
Cultures borrow from each other, so the reality is Christmas is no more "pagan" than reading from the Tanakh ("O.T.").

Cultures borrow from each other, so the reality is Christmas is no more "pagan" than reading from the Tanakh ("O.T.").
If non-Christians start to celebrate Christmas/December 25 for its meanings and symbols (peace on earth and good will to men, gift giving, special meal, evergreen tree with decorations, holiday lights) outside direct reference to Christ himself, despite the obvious name in the word Christmas, are they practicing a Christian celebration or an adapted celebration no longer specific to the Christian religion?
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
If non-Christians start to celebrate Christmas/December 25 for its meanings and symbols (peace on earth and good will to men, gift giving, special meal, evergreen tree with decorations, holiday lights) outside direct reference to Christ himself, despite the obvious name in the word Christmas, are they practicing a Christian celebration or an adapted celebration no longer specific to the Christian religion?
It is "specific" as no other religion celebrates "Christmas". If one doesn't like Christmas trees, for example, then maybe they shouldn't put one up.
 

Bear Wild

Well-Known Member
It is "specific" as no other religion celebrates "Christmas". If one doesn't like Christmas trees, for example, then maybe they shouldn't put one up.
But there are people celebrating the day who are not Christian and have Christmas trees and do special activates associated with the traditions that have developed especially considering the influence of the holiday traditions in many countries. So people who do not consider themselves Christian and do not believe in Christ other than a man with impressive philosophy but like the other traditional aspects, are they celebrating Christmas or have to call it something else?
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
But there are people celebrating the day who are not Christian and have Christmas trees
Their choice.

and have Christmas trees and do special activates associated with the traditions that have developed especially considering the influence of the holiday traditions in many countries.
It's what the symbol stands for today within Christian ranks that's important.

So people who do not consider themselves Christian and do not believe in Christ other than a man with impressive philosophy but like the other traditional aspects, are they celebrating Christmas or have to call it something else?
I don't care what they may call it as, again, it's their choice what they believe in and what they may say.
 

Bear Wild

Well-Known Member
Their choice.

It's what the symbol stands for today within Christian ranks that's important.

I don't care what they may call it as, again, it's their choice what they believe in and what they may say.
Thank you for your insight
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Sure. It seems like you're attempting to answer all the questions in life by using scripture, especially considering that the O.T. scripture you used was for a specific time and place... That's a huge mistake, IMO, because the scriptures do not suggest that they have the answer to all the situations that you will encounter in life.
...There are some things where we will have to use our own God given consciences, and often times, I feel it's best to appeal to compassion in our dealings.
There is nothing evil about Christmas trees!

The evergreen in itself is part of God's creation and for us to enjoy.
What is scripturally wrong is incorporating the tree in connection to a false teaching about Jesus.
I find Jesus considered the OT because when Jesus said, " it is written..." he was referring to the Hebrew Scriptures.
When Jesus said humble 'meek people will inherit the Earth' that was Not a new teaching but from Psalms 37:9-11.
The Bible is full of cross-reference verses and passages as a comprehensive concordance will show.
I find compatible Revelation 22:2 with Isaiah 35th chapter because both let us know Earth will become a paradise.
God-given trained consciences do aid us in applying God's standards and principles.
For example: We would Not want to take a job that required us to lie to people.
Such as: saying the Boss is out when he is Not out.
Jesus 'appealed to compassion' in his dealings even by giving us a New commandment found at John 13:34-35.
We are to have the same self-sacrificing love for others as Jesus has for us.
 
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