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Why should it matter if (J)esus Christ had long hair or not?
Cause Hippie Jesus was really cool, patient, relaxed, and passive. Whereas, short-haired Jesus was really uptight and knocking over tables? ....
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Why should it matter if (J)esus Christ had long hair or not?
Christmas is a blend of beliefs including pre-Christian European beliefs. Winter Solstice one of the most important times in the year for many including the northern Europeans which left so many monolithic structures recognizing this event of the year with the return of the sun. Fascinating how Christianity picked this time as 9 months prior would fall on the Imbolic celebration later turned to Candle mass in honor of the virgin Mary then spring equinox with Easter. All important to Pagans of Europe and when used by the Roman Catholic Church give us the perfect Conception and Birth times to coordinate with established celebrations but also to tie in Christs death with the Equinox.So tis the season to be Pagan.So if your Christian do you celebrate Christmas? My sister is Messianic Christian and she and her family do not celebrate Christmas because of its Pagan origins.
Horace and other Gods were born on December 1st, what is Jesus true birthday? What about Santa and Rudolph do you teach your kids Santa exists and Rudolph and Frosty the snowman Christmas elves?
I love it all. I think of it as a way of having family time together.
It is a lovely holiday blending magic with important celestial events important to the pre-Christians along with symbolisms which derive from many sources. The one think I do not think we know is the real birthday of Jesus.Every year its the same ridiculous stuff. Look, Christians set aside this day to remember the birth of Jesus. There is nothing pagan about that (unless you consider worshiping a man to be pagan). I think you are right. I don't do Christmas because I'm a Jew. But I think for Gentiles it's a perfectly lovely holiday.
No, I am not a fan of the Baha'i Faith and I don't need to be. To be honest, I don't really like new religious movements (younger than 200 years or so) in general. However, you're being hypocritical because your religion does not respect other religions. You spit on polytheist religions and don't even recognize those as actual religions (probably because they're much harder to warp to fit your usurping narrative) and for the ones you try to warp and usurp - Judaism, Zoroastrianism, Buddhism, Vaishnavism, Christianity and Islam - you expect to supersede and their followers to convert to your religion. You expect the whole world to become Baha'i and to be a world power. Your religion is also as homophonic and sexist as the other Abrahamic religions are.
As for my feelings about the Abrahamic religions as a whole, I do think the premises they're founded upon are incorrect. There is beauty in them and I admire those aspects. However, I think they are dangerous and have done great damage to the world, not least as tools of colonialism and genocide. They are arrogant, even hubristic religions. They're the only group of religions I'm aware of that make bigotry a spiritual virtue (as opposed to the pluralistic outlook of almost every other). I would be happy for them to become a minority where they are currently the majority and for peoples currently under their yoke to revive their indigenous ways. I want to see more diversity in the world, more worldviews. The Abrahamic worldview has been choking almost half the world for centuries. It's had its time and now we should move on. I won't hold my breath, however.
Regardless of how I feel, you are in no position to attempt to shame me for not liking your religion.
So tis the season to be Pagan.So if your Christian do you celebrate Christmas? My sister is Messianic Christian and she and her family do not celebrate Christmas because of its Pagan origins.
Horace and other Gods were born on December 1st, what is Jesus true birthday? What about Santa and Rudolph do you teach your kids Santa exists and Rudolph and Frosty the snowman Christmas elves?
I love it all. I think of it as a way of having family time together.
So tis the season to be Pagan.So if your Christian do you celebrate Christmas? My sister is Messianic Christian and she and her family do not celebrate Christmas because of its Pagan origins.
Horace and other Gods were born on December 1st, what is Jesus true birthday? What about Santa and Rudolph do you teach your kids Santa exists and Rudolph and Frosty the snowman Christmas elves?
I love it all. I think of it as a way of having family time together.
Is Christmas pagan? How can celebrating the founder of the Christian faith be pagan, especially as he was an Orthodox Jew?
Over the next two week I've got the monthly festivals of Hekate, Hestia, Asklepios, and Tyche, the annual festival of Poseidon, and the Heliogenna. That's enough for me!
Pre-Christians didn't celebrate the Nativity of Jesus, thus it wasn't Christmas for them.It is a lovely holiday blending magic with important celestial events important to the pre-Christians along with symbolisms which derive from many sources. The one think I do not think we know is the real birthday of Jesus.
You are correct they had a reverence of the winter solstice. The Nativity of Jesus was placed near the winter Solstice which connected his conception, assuming a normal gestational pregnancy with virgin birth, with the Celtic celebration of Imbolic. Pre-Christian dates of significance thus blending pre-Christian periods of celebration with the Christian celebration thus influence of pre-Christian rituals. You are well informed about this period of time, do we know the actual date of Jesus's birthday - have any clear support for this date? Is there a Jewish association with date we celebrate his birthday or with February 2nd?Pre-Christians didn't celebrate the Nativity of Jesus, thus it wasn't Christmas for them.
"Aggressive arrogant attitude"? What a load of hypocrisy. You keep trying to sound "nice" by repeating it's a difference of belief with you and not dislike, but come off it. You obviously dislike these other religions. You say nothing positive about them and but just bash them as beneath you and irrelevant. You just trashed other religions in your very post here.I do not shame you for not 'liking' (What an understatement!!!) my or any (new?) religion. I am shaming you for your aggressive arrogant attitude, and misrepresentation of what others believe including mine.
Your kind of selective bout religions you choose to trash. You put a 200 limit, but not an even playing field that all religions were st one time less than 200 years. Well . . . .ah does the Baha'i Faith become suddenly OK in 2044 or 2063?
Your not acknowledging that I am expressing what I believe versus what I 'like' or condemn as many Christians do concerning those who believe differently. First I do not 'believe' ancient religions are relevant to the contemporary world. It is not a matter of liking nor disliking. Religions like Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and ancient pagan beliefs I simply 'believe' they do not offer a universal message for humanity. They maintain a strong cultural and tribal orientation of ancient societies. Again this is a matter of differences of belief, and not like nor dislike.
Actually the evidence of history is that much of the rituals, beliefs, and cerimonies of Christianity are not original to testimony of the gospels and not the heritage of Judaism. They are as a matter of fact adopted from pagan and Roman religions. I do not condemn the believers of any religion as many if not most Christians do., but I do not believe Jesus Christ taught this and I do not believe in the polytheism of the ancient religions nor the polytheism adapted by traditional Christianity.
Monotheism is essentially the belief in only one God that reveals to humanity a Divine message, and by the evidence I consider Judaism, Islam and the Baha'i Faith pure Monotheistic religions, and not Christianity. I do not believe in man Gods, such as the traditional belief of the Trinity in Christianity.
Imbolc? Christianity started nowhere near the British isles and December 25th, which is not the Solstice, for Christmas was set by the 4th century. I don't see what they have to do with each other.You are correct they had a reverence of the winter solstice. The Nativity of Jesus was placed near the winter Solstice which connected his conception, assuming a normal gestational pregnancy with virgin birth, with the Celtic celebration of Imbolic. Pre-Christian dates of significance thus blending pre-Christian periods of celebration with the Christian celebration thus influence of pre-Christian rituals. You are well informed about this period of time, do we know the actual date of Jesus's birthday - have any clear support for this date? Is there a Jewish association with date we celebrate his birthday or with February 2nd?
So tis the season to be Pagan.So if your Christian do you celebrate Christmas? My sister is Messianic Christian and she and her family do not celebrate Christmas because of its Pagan origins.
Horace and other Gods were born on December 1st, what is Jesus true birthday? What about Santa and Rudolph do you teach your kids Santa exists and Rudolph and Frosty the snowman Christmas elves?
I love it all. I think of it as a way of having family time together.
I agree--as a Messianic, I don't "need" Christmas, but it's a good chance to have fun and get together,................
Christmas and Saturnalia have nothing to do with each other.The problem with Christmas is the mixing of the pagan Saturnalia with a non-biblical account about Jesus.
But lying to them about Noah's Ark, talking snakes, corpses coming back to life, virgin births, etc. is fine?So, Santa (the god of Christmas) is a lie. Parents are expected to lie to their children about a Santa.
............, do we know the actual date of Jesus's birthday - have any clear support for this date? Is there a Jewish association with date we celebrate his birthday or with February 2nd?
Christmas and Saturnalia have nothing to do with each other.
But lying to them about Noah's Ark, talking snakes, corpses coming back to life, virgin births, etc. is fine?