YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Thank you for highlighting that, though Saladin was a remarkable commander, in many ways, he was not pure as the driven snow as the white-washed accounts would have us believe.
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Why do Christians side with Jews more than Muslims?
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YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
The total irony for me was the final line...
Yep, with many Christians it's all unicorns and moonbeams... *sigh*
Notanumber
A Free Man
Do we have any hard evidence that Jesus existed?
Unfortunately, we have plenty of very hard evidence that Mohammad existed.
Don't move the goalposts or play games now. Whether they existed or not is irrelevant.
It is rather rude to just disqualify people's choice of creed out of immediate convenience just like that.
It also compromises the means for obtaining very answer that you seem to want.
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Like most chicken and egg problems, it’s hard to know which came first. Did Jews and other Euroethnics become white because they became middle class? That is, did money whiten? Or did being incorporated in an expanded version of whiteness open up the economic doors to a middle-class status? Clearly, both tendencies were at work. Some of the changes set in motion during the war against fascism led to a more inclusive version of whiteness. Anti-Semitism and anti-European racism lost respectability.
Hitler made anti-semitism immoral in the west.
Although changing views on who was white made it easier for Euroethnics to become middle class, it was also the case that economic prosperity played a very powerful role in the whitening process. Economic mobility of Jews and other Euroethnics rested ultimately on U.S. postwar economic prosperity with its enormously expanded need for professional, technical, and managerial labor, and on government assistance in providing it.
So Jews after the war were able to become a part of the middle class. GI bills, college education became available to "White" veterans.
The GI Bill and FHA and VA mortgages were forms of affirmative action that allowed male Jews and other EuroAmerican men to become suburban homeowners and to get the training that allowed them—but not women vets or war workers—to become professionals, technicians, salesmen, and managers in a growing economy. Jews’ and other white ethnics’ upward mobility was the result of programs that allowed us to float on a rising economic tide. To African Americans, the government offered the cement boots of segregation, redlining, urban renewal, and discrimination.
Jews, because of circumstances became affluent. Jews became respectable. Other minorities did not. Muslims have not been able to achieve the same level of respectability among Christians/White folks. If anyone is to blame for the continued distrust of non-Whites, I suppose that blame lies at the feet of the US government.
The record is very clear that instead of seizing the opportunity to end institutionalized racism, the federal government did its best to shut and double seal the postwar window of opportunity in African Americans’ faces. It consistently refused to combat segregation in the social institutions that were key for upward mobility: education, housing, and employment. Moreover, federal programs that were themselves designed to assist demobilized GIs and young families systematically discriminated against African Americans. Such programs reinforced white/nonwhite racial distinctions even as intrawhite racialization was falling out of fashion. This other side of the coin, that white men of northwestern and southeastern European ancestry were treated equally in theory and in practice with regard to the benefits they received, was part of the larger postwar whitening of Jews and other eastern and southern Europeans.
https://nelsonssociology101.weebly.com/uploads/2/6/1/6/26165328/jews.pdf
I suspect most Christians know very little about either Judaism or Islam. There's probably not enough known about either for them to have an actual "religious" preference. Jews, Jews, not the religion became mainstream in America.
Hitler made anti-semitism immoral in the west.
Although changing views on who was white made it easier for Euroethnics to become middle class, it was also the case that economic prosperity played a very powerful role in the whitening process. Economic mobility of Jews and other Euroethnics rested ultimately on U.S. postwar economic prosperity with its enormously expanded need for professional, technical, and managerial labor, and on government assistance in providing it.
So Jews after the war were able to become a part of the middle class. GI bills, college education became available to "White" veterans.
The GI Bill and FHA and VA mortgages were forms of affirmative action that allowed male Jews and other EuroAmerican men to become suburban homeowners and to get the training that allowed them—but not women vets or war workers—to become professionals, technicians, salesmen, and managers in a growing economy. Jews’ and other white ethnics’ upward mobility was the result of programs that allowed us to float on a rising economic tide. To African Americans, the government offered the cement boots of segregation, redlining, urban renewal, and discrimination.
Jews, because of circumstances became affluent. Jews became respectable. Other minorities did not. Muslims have not been able to achieve the same level of respectability among Christians/White folks. If anyone is to blame for the continued distrust of non-Whites, I suppose that blame lies at the feet of the US government.
The record is very clear that instead of seizing the opportunity to end institutionalized racism, the federal government did its best to shut and double seal the postwar window of opportunity in African Americans’ faces. It consistently refused to combat segregation in the social institutions that were key for upward mobility: education, housing, and employment. Moreover, federal programs that were themselves designed to assist demobilized GIs and young families systematically discriminated against African Americans. Such programs reinforced white/nonwhite racial distinctions even as intrawhite racialization was falling out of fashion. This other side of the coin, that white men of northwestern and southeastern European ancestry were treated equally in theory and in practice with regard to the benefits they received, was part of the larger postwar whitening of Jews and other eastern and southern Europeans.
https://nelsonssociology101.weebly.com/uploads/2/6/1/6/26165328/jews.pdf
I suspect most Christians know very little about either Judaism or Islam. There's probably not enough known about either for them to have an actual "religious" preference. Jews, Jews, not the religion became mainstream in America.
Notanumber
A Free Man
Irrelevant or not. Warlords or not. If we believe everything that has been said about the two there is no comparison when it comes to violence.
I agree. Christians certainly top Muslims when it comes to violence.
Notanumber
A Free Man
That's a hate site, not a reputable source. Try again.
Notanumber
A Free Man
Even if just one percent of what it says is true, it is more than enough evidence.
As if that compares with almost 2,000 years of genocide on multiple continents. Mind you, Islam is hardly innocent in that regard - and I do believe Europeans need to secure their borders and kick out the "migrants" - but it would have to go on for quite a while more to catch up to Christianity.
Notanumber
A Free Man
Which of the two is the major threat to civilisation, as we know it?
Augustus
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We don't actually. It's actually only marginally better than the evidence for Jesus (which is good enough to establish existence).
What evidence do you believe exists that is qualitatively different from that for Jesus?
Augustus
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The funny thing is that this hagiographic version held up by progressives is actually the result of whitey's cultural appropriation of a 'person of colour'
Notanumber
A Free Man
There are a growing number of people that believe that Muhammad existed and believe it is their duty to emulate him and his warlord activities.
Neither, or both, depending on how you look at it. It's not Islam that is causing Western Civilization to go into decline.
Notanumber
A Free Man
Maybe not, but it is taking advantage of it.
Shad
Veteran Member
This was due to local and state governments, and organizations like banks and universities. The GI Bills had no race restriction. However veterans had to file with their local governments which shutdown applications from non-white with various BS. Some of the same BS that was used for the other groups you mentioned. More so some of the funding, such as loans, was via an external corporation like banks which denied people based on race. The Fed completely failed to redress the issue caused in lower parts of government.
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Augustus
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So? There are more people who believe Jesus existed, so this hardly supports your point.