Greatest Love

[Fool]

Why would Jesus say that there was no love in all the world greater than that of a friend who would have compassion for another; if there is supposedly otherness "believed" to be God?


and why refer to Abraham as a friend of god? doesn't that make them equals?

 

[Thief]

Why would Jesus say that there was no love in all the world greater than that of a friend who would have compassion for another; if there is supposedly otherness "believed" to be God?


and why refer to Abraham as a friend of god? doesn't that make them equals?

I thought the quote was more like....
No greater love is there....than he who would lay down his life for his fellowman

 

[Fool]

I thought the quote was more like....
No greater love is there....than he who would lay down his life for his fellowman

depending on the translation, yes. but again how can the love of a person for another be greater than some otherness labeled god?

 

[Thief]

depending on the translation, yes. but again how can the love of a person for another be greater than some otherness labeled god?

oh...as if my love for my fellowman might be greater than the love of God?

given the extreme isolation prior to the formation of Man...
I suspect God loves ALL of us
far beyond what we deserve

and so it is written....
all sin shall be forgiven except for a sin against the Spirit

I think that stands to reason
rejecting the love of God would be .....awkward

 

[Fool]

oh...as if my love for my fellowman might be greater than the love of God?

given the extreme isolation prior to the formation of Man...
I suspect God loves ALL of us
far beyond what we deserve

and so it is written....
all sin shall be forgiven except for a sin against the Spirit

I think that stands to reason
rejecting the love of God would be .....awkward

rejecting the spirit of love would be detrimental?


Proverbs 10:12
Hatred stirreth up strifes: but love covereth all sins.

 

[Thief]

rejecting the spirit of love would be detrimental?

i've heard....
God's Favored....had a falling out with God

if God's Favored can lose position in heaven.....then....yes

rejecting the love of God can be a problem

 

[Axe Elf]

how can the love of a person for another be greater than some otherness labeled god?

oh...as if my love for my fellowman might be greater than the love of God?

The quote is axually, "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends," so that allows for the possibility of a god's love being greater than the greatest love a man can have.

But I don't really think it matters. Since love is the opposite of selfishness, it's pretty much just saying that the most unselfish thing one can do is to give up their life for someone else. There is no greater love than that which is the least selfish.

That's basically what Jesus did--give up his life (as a man, anyway) for those who were chosen for salvation--to bridge the gap between God's nature of love and man's nature of selfishness (to tear the veil, so to speak) so that man could enter into the presence of God again.

 

[Fool]

i've heard....
God's Favored....had a falling out with God

if God's Favored can lose position in heaven.....then....yes

rejecting the love of God can be a problem

i'm not speaking of some otherness. i'm speaking of love in relationship to self. if self rejects all forms of love, would that be healthy for self?

 

[Fool]

The quote is axually, "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends," so that allows for the possibility of a god's love being greater than the greatest love a man can have.

But I don't really think it matters. Since love is the opposite of selfishness, it's pretty much just saying that the most unselfish thing one can do is to give up their life for someone else. There is no greater love than that which is the least selfish.

That's basically what Jesus did--give up his life (as a man, anyway) for those who were chosen for salvation--to bridge the gap between God's nature of love and man's nature of selfishness (to tear the veil, so to speak) so that man could enter into the presence of God again.

that is one interpretation.

others do not use the term, "man".

John 15:13 Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.

 

[Axe Elf]

that is one interpretation.

others do not use the term, "man".

John 15:13 Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.

"No one" still refers to human beings.

It's kind of an irrelevant point, but it's an even less relevant objection.

 

[Fool]

"No one" still refers to human beings.

It's kind of an irrelevant point, but it's an even less relevant objection.

so when jesus refers to the ONE who sent him, you believe it was a man?


40 “Anyone who welcomes you welcomes me, and anyone who welcomes me welcomes the one who sent me.

 

[Axe Elf]

so when jesus refers to the ONE who sent him, you believe it was a man?


40 “Anyone who welcomes you welcomes me, and anyone who welcomes me welcomes the one who sent me.

No, and Jesus didn't use the word "one" (in either verse) either. In fact, there was no pronoun used in Matthew 10:40 at all, in the original Greek. Various translations have used the English pronoun "one" in reconstructing the sentence, but the context has also caused several translations to either capitalize the word "One" in Matthew 10:40, or alternately, use "him" or "Him" or even "the Father."

The Greek words in John 15:!3 are most frequently translated as "no one," but they are alternately translated as "no man," "no people," "no person," or even "you."

 

[Fool]

No, and Jesus didn't use the word "one" (in either verse) either. In fact, there was no pronoun used in Matthew 10:40 at all, in the original Greek. Various translations have used the English pronoun "one" in reconstructing the sentence, but the context has also caused several translations to either capitalize the word "One" in Matthew 10:40, or alternately, use "him" or "Him" or even "the Father."

The Greek words in John 15:!3 are most frequently translated as "no one," but they are alternately translated as "no man," "no people," "no person," or even "you."

most frequently?

 

[Axe Elf]

most frequently?

Yes; do I need to explain the term?

 

[Thief]

(to tear the veil, so to speak)

was that a reference to the veil in the sanctuary?

old custom....when a loved one dies....
you rend your lapel from collar to hem

it was believed God resided in the sanctuary

 

[Thief]

i'm not speaking of some otherness. i'm speaking of love in relationship to self. if self rejects all forms of love, would that be healthy for self?

that description would be to....psychopath?

action dealt with no regard to emotion?

so God might withhold His love?
and kill any and all that stand against Him?

and an event like the Flood is not an act of love
but maybe it is

killing the wicked that peaceful people should prevail

 

[Axe Elf]

was that a reference to the veil in the sanctuary?

Yes. Sanctuaries were built with an outer area that anyone could enter, separated by a veil from an inner area called the "Holy of Holies" which could only be entered by the head priest, once a year, with a purifying ritual that involved a blood sacrifice.

At the moment of Jesus' death, the veil was torn, indicating the end to the separation between man and God; now any man could enter into the presence of God, being purified by the blood sacrifice of Jesus.

 

[Fool]

that description would be to....psychopath?

action dealt with no regard to emotion?

so God might withhold His love?
and kill any and all that stand against Him?

and an event like the Flood is not an act of love
but maybe it is

killing the wicked that peaceful people should prevail

it's my understanding that psychopaths do not have self-loathing

 

[Thief]

At the moment of Jesus' death, the veil was torn, indicating the end to the separation between man and God; now any man could enter into the presence of God, being purified by the blood sacrifice of Jesus.

I was moe to thought.....

a Father tearing His garment from top to hem.......in grief

 

[Thief]

it's my understanding that psychopaths do not have self-loathing

but can they love?
if they have no reservation the harm they do.....