Is Baha'u'llah true or false Prophet?

[Faithofchristian]

I agree, its true for you. That doesn't make it true for everybody else.

It's obvious that you have a hard time understanding English.
For some unknown reason, you keep leaving Christ Jesus out of the equation.
And you keep trying to twist what I said.

I believe in what Christ Jesus said is true. For it cannot be that a prophet perish outside of Jerusalem.

 

[Faithofchristian]

In Bahai view, the 6 Days of Genesis are figurative. They are allusions to 6 periods, in which God created the human civilization. These six periods, in my vie are the following:

Day 1: from covenant of Adam till Noah
Day 2: from covenant of Noah till Abraham
Day 3: from Abraham till Moses
Day 4: from Moses till Jesus
Day 5: from Jesus till Muhammad
Day 6: from Muhammad till the Bab. The Bab marks fulfillment of 6000 years from Adam.

Now, in Bahai view, there is only One Spirit of Christ who Every time appeared. So, when Jesus spoke of Today, Tomorrow, and Day after, He was figuratively alluding to, Jesus, Muhammad, and the Bab appearances, who are the same Spirit of Christ. By Jerusalem is meant Religion of God. So, when it is said a new Jeruslame comes down from heaven, it is an allusion to a new Revelation, or religion of God. So, Christ was alluding that, a Prophet never parishes outside of religion of God, meaning He will remain forever in the heavenly Jerusalem.

By all means, do explain what has Genesis to do with what Christ Jesus said in the book of Luke 13:33-34,
When in fact Christ Jesus never said anything about the book of Genesis.

Show just one word in Luke 13:33-34, where Christ Jesus made any mentioning of the book of Genesis.
All your trying to do, get off the subject of what the Thread is about, well it's not going to work, for Christ Jesus said nothing about the book of Genesis in
Luke 13:33-34.

 

[Dawnofhope]

 

[Faithofchristian]

How can you tell bahallah is a false prophet by going off of whats written?

He could be a true prophet but reading his books wouldnt prove that anymore than the bible proves the divinity of christ.

It doesn't take much to see what Christ Jesus is talking about, when Jesus plainly said,( For it cannot be that a prophet perish outside of Jerusalem)
That means, anyone who come to claim to be a prophet and dies any where else but at Jerusalem, then they are a false Prophet.
It really doesn't take much to see what Christ Jesus is referring to.

Your only showing how little you know about the bible/scriptures.

 

[Faithofchristian]

With enough exegesis, would say it gives a definitive answer:

Biblically the God Most High (El Elyon) is the father of YHVH/Yeshua (Lord of Creation/Salvation)... Baha'ullah (Glory of the Father) claims to be 'jesus's father' (YHVH).

The God Most High is beyond form (2nd Commandment), and never has an image its self; tho it can appear to mankind through representations.

In my opinion.

That however that doesn't change the fact what Christ Jesus said in the book of Luke 13:33-34. "For it cannot be that a prophet perish outside of Jerusalem"

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I was going to take your reply seriously if you hadnt insult my intelligence

It doesn't take much to see what Christ Jesus is talking about, when Jesus plainly said,( For it cannot be that a prophet perish outside of Jerusalem)

I asked how can you tell Bahaullah is a prophet anymore than jesus just by reading scripture?

No one will come to the same conclusions as you. We are not you.

hat means, anyone who come to claim to be a prophet and dies any where else but at Jerusalem, then they are a false Prophet.
It really doesn't take much to see what Christ Jesus is referring to

I have no opinions of who is a false prophet. That is silly to call other prophets false in light of my belief system. I dont know how your spirituality is strengthened by comparing other peoples prophets as false. But, I asked...

I asked how can you tell Bahaullah is a prophet anymore than jesus just by reading scripture?

Your only showing how little you know about the bible/scriptures.

I dont know what you know. I know what I experienced, studied and observed. Dont insult my inteligence.

 

[Faithofchristian]

I was going to take your reply seriously if you hadnt insult my intelligence


I asked how can you tell Bahaullah is a prophet anymore than jesus just by reading scripture?

No one will come to the same conclusions as you. We are not you.



I have no opinions of who is a false prophet. That is silly to call other prophets false in light of my belief system. I dont know how your spirituality is strengthened by comparing other peoples prophets as false. But, I asked...

I asked how can you tell Bahaullah is a prophet anymore than jesus just by reading scripture?



I dont know what you know. I know what I experienced, studied and observed. Dont insult my inteligence.

No one's insulted anyone's intelligence.
What does Christ Jesus mean, by what he said ( For it cannot be that a prophet perish outside of Jerusalem)
Its obvious, but what you think Christ Jesus is saying, For it cannot be that a prophet perish outside of Jerusalem.

When a person reads to understand what Christ Jesus is referring to. It doesn't take much to figure it out,
Luke 13-33--"Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem"

Notice ( for it cannot be that a prophet perish outside of Jerusalem)

What Christ Jesus is saying, that all the Prophets of God, died in and around Jerusalem and no where else.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

No one's insulted anyone's intelligence.

What does Christ Jesus mean, by what he said ( For it cannot be that a prophet perish outside of Jerusalem)

Its obvious, but what you think Christ Jesus is saying, For it cannot be that a prophet perish outside of Jerusalem.

When a person reads to understand what Christ Jesus is referring to. It doesn't take much to figure it out,

Luke 13-33--"Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem"

Notice ( for it cannot be that a prophet perish outside of Jerusalem)

What Christ Jesus is saying, that all the Prophets of God, died in and around Jerusalem and no where else.

Bahai and christianity are two completely different religions that both claim to be true in their own rights. So, their prophet wouldnt apply to your rules of who is a prophet no more would jesus christ apply to theirs (from a christian view).

Bahaullah isnt a christian prophet. Are you contrasting the two religions? What scripture from their religion are you discredting in light of yours?

 

[InvestigateTruth]

By all means, do explain what has Genesis to do with what Christ Jesus said in the book of Luke 13:33-34,
When in fact Christ Jesus never said anything about the book of Genesis.

Show just one word in Luke 13:33-34, where Christ Jesus made any mentioning of the book of Genesis.
All your trying to do, get off the subject of what the Thread is about, well it's not going to work, for Christ Jesus said nothing about the book of Genesis in
Luke 13:33-34.

He did not mention explicitly the relation to the Genesis. I'm just saying, when Christ was saying, Today, tomorrow, and the day after....These are not literal 24 hours days. These statements are alegorial. Each day, denotes, a new Revelation. 'Today', denotes revelation of Jesus, tomorrow, the Revelation after Jesus, which was through Muhammad, and the day after, is the Revelation of the Bab. But since the Book was sealed, these secrets were unknown. After Bahaullah unsealed the Book, it's secrets are known. 6 Days of Genesis, also, are not literal 6 Days, of physical creation. They represent 6 ages, through them guidence of God flows, till, the End, when on the 7th day, Christ returns, and a new man is created. New man denotes, a new civilization, which also is referred as another flock, who Christ must gather.
I'm not saying, you have to believe or agree with these interpretations. But just saying, why in my view, the verse you are referring does not mean all true prophets will die Jerusalem.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Bahai and christianity are two completely different religions that both claim to be true in their own rights. So, their prophet wouldnt apply to your rules of who is a prophet no more would jesus christ apply to theirs (from a christian view).

Bahaullah isnt a christian prophet. Are you contrasting the two religions? What scripture from their religion are you discredting in light of yours?

If to what you say is right, Then why do people get all upset about it then and why do people go to a Christian bible/scriptures, trying to prove a Christian wrong by the Christian bible/scriptures, when that person themselves knows little to nothing about what the Christian bible/ scriptures supports or Confirm's.

As a Christian, Christ Jesus is pointing out to Christians how to recognize a false prophet.

In the book of Luke 13:33-34.
For when Christ Jesus said " For it cannot be that a prophet perish outside of Jerusalem"

What this should mean to Christian, That all the Prophets of God's died at Jerusalem and no where eles. So to a Christian, if someone comes to claim to be a Prophet and dies any where else in the world, other than at Jerusalem, then that person is a false prophet.

Therefore when a person comes trying to convince me that I'm wrong by using the Christian bible/scriptures, that person would have to get up very early in the morning, to try and convince me I'm wrong by using the Christian bible/scriptures.

 

[Dawnofhope]

If to what you say is right, Then why do people get all upset about it then and why do people go to a Christian bible/scriptures, trying to prove a Christian wrong by the Christian bible/scriptures, when that person themselves knows little to nothing about what the Christian bible/ scriptures supports or Confirm's.

You are the one creating a thread about how the founder of my faith is a false prophet.

I could produce as many verses from the Bible that prove Baha'u'llah is a true prophet of God as some Christians could produce from the Tanakh to prove Jesus was a true prophet. What would that prove?

As a Christian, Christ Jesus is pointing out to Christians how to recognize a false prophet.

Go ahead and prove it. I'm waiting.

posted the Thread to see how other people may see it and how other Christians may view it, as to what Christ Jesus is actually saying.

So where are all your fellow Christians?

 

[Faithofchristian]

You are the one creating a thread about how the founder of my faith is a false prophet.

I could produce as many verses from the Bible that prove Baha'u'llah is a true prophet of God as some Christians could produce from the Tanakh to prove Jesus was a true prophet. What would that prove?



Go ahead and prove it. I'm waiting.

So where are all your fellow Christians?

To prove anything that Baha'u'llah is a true prophet from the Christian bible/scriptures, all you would be doing is twisting the Christian bible/scriptures into saying what you only wish the Christian bible/ scriptures were saying.

As a Christian there is no where in the Christian bible/scriptures, that makes any reference at all of Baha'u'llah as a prophet.

As for a Christian, Christ Jesus points out to a Christian that anyone who comes to claim to be a prophet and dies outside of Jerusalem are a false Prophet.

As Christ Jesus also said in the book of Luke 7:28---"For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he"

So if there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist, Then that means, that John the Baptist is the last Holy Prophet.

So anyone else that comes to claim to be a prophet, they are a false prophet, all because John the Baptist is the last Holy Prophet.

But yet you want me a Christian to believe that you a non-Christian knows more about the Christian bible/scriptures then me a Christian does.

Now how is this to work.

 

[blü 2]

Notice what Christ Jesus had to say about Jerusalem in the book of Luke 13:33--" Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem"
This meaning that no prophet shall die outside of Jerusalem.

Abraham and Moses died outside of Jerusalem. The authors of the first and second parts of Isaiah were in Babylon ─ only the unknown author of the third part had the chance to die in Jerusalem, and there's no evidence that he did. Jeremiah might have. Ezekiel and Daniel were in Babylon and could not.

So either Jesus meant something else by those words, or simply got it wrong.

The Prophets of God, either died a natural death or was stone to death by people in Jerusalem.

Where on earth do you get that notion from? A prophet is an entirely different religious product to a martyr.

So we find the Prophets of Gods died at Jerusalem, at the hands of the people in Jerusalem or by a natural death of old age.

Do we? In most cases we have no idea precisely how the prophets died.

You wholly fail to persuade me that your test for who's a prophet is correct. It doesn't even fit the facts of the bible. So I don't think you're in a position to assert anything about Bahá'u'lláh's status.

But here's an alternative thought ─ that person is a prophet whose followers or co-religionists deem that person to be a prophet. That makes all the people I've mentioned, including Bahá'u'lláh, prophets. Unless and until their followers or co-religionists change their minds, of course.

 

[SalixIncendium]

It's obvious that you have a hard time understanding English.
For some unknown reason, you keep leaving Christ Jesus out of the equation.
And you keep trying to twist what I said.

I believe in what Christ Jesus said is true. For it cannot be that a prophet perish outside of Jerusalem.

Perhaps you should question your own understanding.

He's said multiple times that it's true to you. Your truths are not necessarily everyone else's truths.

I'm going to offer a bit of unsolicited advice: If you don't wish to hear others' opinions/truths, don't ask for them in an OP.

Also, if you're going to create a thread in a debate forum, be prepared to discuss or debate properly. Repeating the same belief over and over because you think it's true and simply ignoring the opposing arguments of others without providing evidence to support your claim is not debating.

 

[Revoltingest]

Neither. There is no such thing as prophets. The entire idea is false. You really need someone else to do your work for you? That seems like a copout.

He's as much a prophet as I am.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

If to what you say is right, Then why do people get all upset about it then and why do people go to a Christian bible/scriptures, trying to prove a Christian wrong by the Christian bible/scriptures, when that person themselves knows little to nothing about what the Christian bible/ scriptures supports or Confirm's.

Faith, this whole post is seeing you descredit Bahai claim bahaullah is a false prophet compared to your own. While you can claim he is not (I have no opinion of who is right or wrong), you would have to provide some scripture of bahai to prove it wrong.

So far, I dont know which bahai scripture you are descrediting.

As a Christian, Christ Jesus is pointing out to Christians how to recognize a false prophet.

In the book of Luke 13:33-34.
For when Christ Jesus said " For it cannot be that a prophet perish outside of Jerusalem"

Find in bahai scripture that bahai scripture conflicts with yours. Once I can see this, we can see if both sides relate to each other.

In my opinion, both sides have different beliefs and need to be accepted as such. I disagree that bahaullah is in scripture; but, I have no reason to prove it wrong unless I know both sides well enough to prove why I strongly believe my opinion is true. Honestly, its a waste of time.

What this should mean to Christian, That all the Prophets of God's died at Jerusalem and no where eles. So to a Christian, if someone comes to claim to be a Prophet and dies any where else in the world, other than at Jerusalem, then that person is a false prophet.

Provide bahai scripture that conflicts with your scripture you may have a point.

Therefore when a person comes trying to convince me that I'm wrong by using the Christian bible/scriptures, that person would have to get up very early in the morning, to try and convince me I'm wrong by using the Chr

Who is trying to convince you? I mean, I dislike christianity with a passion, but how does my opinion affect you??

As a Christian there is no where in the Christian bible/scriptures, that makes any reference at all of Baha'u'llah as a prophet.

Yes. I agree. I had a long long year long conversation over it; so... I agree.

But you werent part of the discussion; so, provide bahai scriptures to prove yours contradict to what theirs say.

As for a Christian, Christ Jesus points out to a Christian that anyone who comes to claim to be a prophet and dies outside of Jerusalem are a false Prophet

And...

As Christ Jesus also said in the book of Luke 7:28---"For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he"

We know you disagree that bahaullah is a christian prophet. What else?

So if there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist, Then that means, that John the Baptist is the last Holy Proph

I dont remember bahaullah saying he was as greater prophet. He said each prophet is appropriate for that time period. He is appropriate for this time period. You have to read up on bahai faith before attacking it.

So anyone else that comes to claim to be a prophet, they are a false prophet, all because John the Baptist is the last Holy Prophet.

But why attack it?

Do you know what their belief teaches about jesus??

But yet you want me a Christian to believe that you a non-Christian knows more about the Christian bible/scriptures then me a Christian does.

Now how is this to work.

Ha. Wow. You are in a bubble. The bible is not special. A lot of people read the bible and that is why we are no longer christian. It influences people in different ways.

Dont attack people nor accuse people ignorant of scripture because they are not christian. That is very, cough, wrong of you and an insult.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Neither. There is no such thing as prophets. The entire idea is false. You really need someone else to do your work for you? That seems like a copout.

You must know everything

 

[Faithofchristian]

You are the one creating a thread about how the founder of my faith is a false prophet.

I could produce as many verses from the Bible that prove Baha'u'llah is a true prophet of God as some Christians could produce from the Tanakh to prove Jesus was a true prophet. What would that prove?



Go ahead and prove it. I'm waiting.



So where are all your fellow Christians?

Well seeing there is nothing in the bible that mention Bahau'u'llah, that's going to very hard to prove, unless a person twists the bible into saying what they want it to. Other than that, there's nothing written in the bible anything about Baha'u'llah.

Where's are my follow Christians, their all around. Talking to other people also.

As Christ Jesus has said In John 4:23-24--"But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him"

24-- "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth"

In verse 23 above, What's that ( hour)
Christ Jesus speaking of and how does that ( hour) fit into the book of Revelation.

As to how many times does it have to be proven.
Seeing that Christ Jesus said,"For it cannot be that a prophet perish outside of Jerusalem" Luke 13'33.

Seeing that a prophet cannot perish outside of Jerusalem, and those prophets that do perish outside of Jerusalem.

Those prophets that die at Jerusalem, would naturally be the true prophets.

And those prophets that die outside of Jerusalem, would naturally be the false prophets.

 

[oldbadger]

So the prophets that Jesus spoke about are also figurative, as to how people come by that. Jesus speaking is not figurative about prophets.
If to what say to be right, than that means all the Prophets of God must be figurative that died at Jerusalem.

So Jesus was just a prophet.......... fair enough. That's a step closer to the truth, I expect. For he surely wasn't a God.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Perhaps you should question your own understanding.

He's said multiple times that it's true to you. Your truths are not necessarily everyone else's truths.

I'm going to offer a bit of unsolicited advice: If you don't wish to hear others' opinions/truths, don't ask for them in an OP.

Also, if you're going to create a thread in a debate forum, be prepared to discuss or debate properly. Repeating the same belief over and over because you think it's true and simply ignoring the opposing arguments of others without providing evidence to support your claim is not debating.

As I said many times, it's not my truth, it's Christ Jesus truth. All Im doing is in Agreement with Christ Jesus.