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Thousand oaks shooting

Curious George

Veteran Member
Look at how violence against children is allowed (corporal punishment) in your country and how it compares to increased violence statistics worldwide. Many mass shooters in your country are veterans with mental illnesses with access to guns. Less wars and you'll have less traumatized veterans. Better universal healthcare and less killings like this. Restriction for guns for people with some types of mental illness that relate to suicide or homicidal inclinations. Lots of things that could be done.
I certainly recognize lots of things can ne done. I am asking how the U.S. society is creating so many mass murderers.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
but we are not blaming mental illness, we are looking at access to knives.
But at least knife crime rarely involves multiple causalities.

But violent behavior is psychological, and knives are a basic and common household utility (not to mention shanks are extremely easy to produce), so "looking at access" is kinda silly. If punching becomes an epidemic, will the government force citizens to wear mittens?
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
But violent behavior is psychological, and knives are a basic and common household utility (not to mention shanks are extremely easy to produce), so "looking at access" is kinda silly. If punching becomes an epidemic, will the government force citizens to wear mittens?
You are so blind you cannot see.
 

Shiranui117

Pronounced Shee-ra-noo-ee
Premium Member
When I see that i think wow, only a couple more per 100k than places that have virtually outlawed guns, and that includes any gun deaths and only gun deaths.
Keep in mind, that statistic was just for children and teens. Add in adults and that figure goes skyrocketing.
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
But violent behavior is psychological, and knives are a basic and common household utility (not to mention shanks are extremely easy to produce), so "looking at access" is kinda silly. If punching becomes an epidemic, will the government force citizens to wear mittens?

The last thing I want is acid splashed in my face, or a pipe bomb to go off. Without guns, that's just what they'll go to I think.

...But it does make people 'feel' good to know they 'tried' to solve a problem.
 
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Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
Right, but I was thinking in terms of ratios. Like 20:1, and stuff like that.

I get it. No, I'm thinking more of odds rather than something like the men:women ratio of 2:1 in Alaska. Y'know, 2 men for every 1 woman.

Big burly bearded muscular Alaskan men.

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Altfish

Veteran Member
But I agree with you this will just turn into another gun debate, .And I will continue to remind people that cars kill more people than guns and everybody goes into a circle again.
But you need to take a test, hold a licence (which can be revoked), take eye tests and be over 17 (in my country) to drive a car. The car is licenced and has to be in good condition with annual checks.
 

ADigitalArtist

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
My understanding of that quote is that it is dealing with a different data set that treats multiple killings as one incident, not that killings were in the past reported that way.
I might be quoting the wrong place in this article but that's not how the statistical analyst sees the data. Rather that the two data sets are not reconcilable into one cohesive chart because they weren't presented in the same way.

At any rate the number seems to be going down word from when the dataset changed. In the legislation succeeded that what it was actually intending: greatly reducing incident of mass murder.
 
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esmith

Veteran Member
But you need to take a test, hold a licence (which can be revoked), take eye tests and be over 17 (in my country) to drive a car. The car is licenced and has to be in good condition with annual checks.
What does it take to renew your license in your country?
In the U.S.
Do you have to take a test. No. (I haven't checked all States but CA doesn't and if any would I would say they would).
Do you have to take a eye test? Only in certain States over a certain age in the U.S.

So, sort of negates your argument doesn't it since it appears you don't have to take a test (as far as I know ...see item above) to renew your drivers license, what says you can still safely drive a motor vehicle.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
What does it take to renew your license in your country?
In the U.S.
Do you have to take a test. No. (I haven't checked all States but CA doesn't and if any would I would say they would).
Do you have to take a eye test? Only in certain States over a certain age in the U.S.

So, sort of negates your argument doesn't it since it appears you don't have to take a test (as far as I know ...see item above) to renew your drivers license, what says you can still safely drive a motor vehicle.
You have to take a test to get a licence. If you are clean, i.e. no infringements or medical reason then renewal is straightforward.
Yes you have to pass an eye test (basic) and a doctor can revoke your licence on medical grounds.
You need to resit test in some circumstances but the main reason you can't have a licence is because of police matters.
In your country do you have to take a test to buy a gun? Do the police have a record that you have a gun?
 

PureX

Veteran Member
I see gun control as akin to banning or regulating sex to solve a rape problem (if we are going to use rape as an analogy).

And it sounds like you are just making excuses regarding the circumventing of "stricter gun laws." As far as that is concerned one can 3d print a gun.
The object is not to stop people from getting guns. That ship has long since sailed. The object is keeping them out of the hands of the people who are most likely to abuse their right to them. And that will require regulation. Just as it requires the regulation of all dangerous technology use to try and keep the people who should not be doing so from doing so. We require training and testing to operate cars, trucks, planes, trains, ships, and even fork lifts. Yet for some bizarre reason we think that machines that were designed to do nothing but kill people as quickly and efficiently as possible should require no oversight or regulation at all. Does this make any sense to you???
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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Premium Member
The object is not to stop people from getting guns. That ship has long since sailed. The object is keeping them out of the hands of the people who are most likely to abuse their right to them. And that will require regulation. Just as it requires the regulation of all dangerous technology use to try and keep the people who should not be doing so from doing so. We require training and testing to operate cars, trucks, planes, trains, ships, and even fork lifts. Yet for some bizarre reason we think that machines that were designed to do nothing but kill people as quickly and efficiently as possible should require no oversight or regulation at all. Does this make any sense to you???

What about this case where it was perfectly legal for him to buy a gun? He had mental problems that were brushed aside. Had he not had those mental problems, or if they were dealt with properly this most likely would not have happened. This tragedy is really not based on the availability of a gun. It was a failure upstream.
 

Curious George

Veteran Member
I might be quoting the wrong place in this article but that's not how the statistical analyst sees the data. Rather that the two data sets are not reconcilable into one cohesive chart because they weren't presented in the same way.

At any rate the number seems to be going down word from when the dataset changed. In the legislation succeeded that what it was actually intending: greatly reducing incident of mass murder.
But not because of the gun regulation. Even with the two data sets separated we still see a rise after the gun regulation.
 

Curious George

Veteran Member
But you need to take a test, hold a licence (which can be revoked), take eye tests and be over 17 (in my country) to drive a car. The car is licenced and has to be in good condition with annual checks.
To purchase, own, or possess a car? Or are we talking about regulation of public use?
 
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