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All 3 Abrahamic Religions Have It Wrong Based on the Tanakh

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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Skanda has represented an ever youthful warrior son of Shiva.

I have a pretty good idea who he is.

There is also additional detail to the OP, that Skanda catches out the demons of Salvation (Tarakasura) by his Yantra, which is in the form of the star of David.

Yeah, uh no. His weapon is the vēl (pronounce vey-l), a spear, javelin. What are "demons of Salvation"? Tārakāsura was a bad guy who repeatedly waged war on the gods until Sri Kartikeya (aka Murugan, Subramaniya, Skanda) kicked his butt.
 

wizanda

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it will definitely be clear to them.
Yet the question is, was it clear to you?

Like do you now acknowledge and understand that YHVH/Yeshua Elohim is the son of El for example?

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

W3bcrowf3r

Active Member
Everything posted can be assessed using Esword Bible software; spent over 14 years researching it that way, just haven't bothered learning an ancient language that is no longer spoken the same.

Me being an Arch-Angel sent from Heaven with the name exegesis (Zand), doesn't need bringing into an objective debate built on the data accessible to everyone.

In my opinion.
:innocent:

Good job, you spent 14 years on reading what someone else have translated and never bothered to learn the language of the Book you claim to know to be able to read the original.

I do not believe that you are an arch angel...
 
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wizanda

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His weapon
The Yantra is a projection from the third eye of Skanda, which manifests a reality we see in the Maya...i.e. Christianity is to catch out the Raktabīja according to the prophets in texts globally, and Kali Yuga is the Dark ages, we've seen whilst the Mother of All Harlots in the Bible has existed over this world.

Plus it hasn't finished yet, the next bit is to remove them by fire, and then just leave the saints in this world (Satya Yuga)...

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

Rival

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I also take your claim about you being an arch-angel as a grain of salt.
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wizanda

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14 years on reading what someone else have translated and never bothered to learn the language of the Book you claim to know.
With Esword Bible software, we can use Strongs reference numbers to search, rather than using words; as it gets all instances, regardless of translation or spelling.

The language needs re-deciphering from ancient Hebrew without Masoretic vowel points, as they have imposed an Arabic Tri Root system onto a language that has two letter words; yet after first understanding properly some of the basics of the prophecies presented...

Teaching people where John, Paul, and Simon contradict Yeshua has been a bigger priority.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

Brickjectivity

Turned to Stone. Now I stretch daily.
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Good job, you spent 14 years on reading what someone else have translated and never bothered to learn the language of the Book you claim to know.

I also take your claim about you being an arch-angel as a grain of salt. An arch angel is smarter than that..
What Tumah has said is indeed sufficient, and its best not to border on insults. Insults are not good form and don't lead to civil conversation. Its not against forum rules to believe unusual things, but it is against the rules to insult intelligence. We can call someone's argument stupid, but that is where we draw the line. If it helps just think of this place as an ambassor's residence, and you are an ambassador who must be careful to communicate your country's wishes without starting a war.
 

W3bcrowf3r

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With Esword Bible software, we can use Strongs reference numbers to search, rather than using words; as it gets all instances, regardless of translation or spelling.

The language needs re-deciphering from ancient Hebrew without Masoretic vowel points, as they have imposed an Arabic Tri Root system onto a language that has two letter words; yet after first understanding properly some of the basics of the prophecies presented...

Teaching people where John, Paul, and Simon contradict Yeshua has been a bigger priority.

In my opinion. :innocent:

Man, i thought that i was guilty of believing things before doing proper research. But you.., stay away from religion, it's doing you more harm then good! Religion is simple, love God and love your neighbor. But you make it so hard by believing all these theories you find on the web..

If you do not know Hebrew or Greek, then you won't be able to be 100% of what you are reading. Translations are most of the time made by sectarians who are changing details in what they believe they should be..

John, Simon and Paul were Apostles and Disciples of Jesus Christ. That's what the New Testament teaches. And learning Hebrew isn't that hard, you don't have to 're-decipher' Hebrew, Hebrew is being spoken by a whole state in Israel, they teach it in their schools etc., it's a living language, just like Greek in Greece.

I think you go to far man with your theories. Stick with what Scripture says in the original language. Stay away from those google articles who are using you as clickbait.
 

wizanda

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If you do not know Hebrew or Greek
Esword with the right Bible's installed has the Hebrew+ and Greek+ versions, so we can check every single word against tons of reference materials.
John, Simon and Paul were Apostles and Disciples of Jesus Christ. That's what the New Testament teaches.
  • Yeshua taught that Simon was to be misled by satan (Luke 22:31-32), and called him the stone (petros) who would mislead the whole world (Zechariah 3:9).
  • Yeshua warns in all 3 Synoptic Gospels (Luke 21:8, Mark 13:5-6, Matthew 24:4-5) that those who come after using the term 'Ego I-mee' ('I Am') shall deceive many; the Gospel of John has 7 'I Am' statements, no parables, no word 'gospel', etc.
  • Only Paul claims himself to be an apostle (2 Timothy 1:15), and in Revelation 2:2 it declares him not to be one.... Plus he contradicts Christ on many points.
it's a living language, just like Greek in Greece.
Modern Greek is no longer like ancient Greek, and people get there is a difference between those. ;)

In my opinion.
:innocent:
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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The Yantra is a projection from the third eye of Skanda, which manifests a reality we see in the Maya...i.e. Christianity is to catch out the Raktabīja according to the prophets in texts globally, and Kali Yuga is the Dark ages, we've seen whilst the Mother of All Harlots in the Bible has existed over this world.

Plus it hasn't finished yet, the next bit is to remove them by fire, and then just leave the saints in this world (Satya Yuga)...

In my opinion. :innocent:

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W3bcrowf3r

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What Tumah has said is indeed sufficient, and its best not to border on insults. Insults are not good form and don't lead to civil conversation. Its not against forum rules to believe unusual things, but it is against the rules to insult intelligence. We can call someone's argument stupid, but that is where we draw the line. If it helps just think of this place as an ambassor's residence, and you are an ambassador who must be careful to communicate your country's wishes without starting a war.
Esword with the right Bible's installed has the Hebrew+ and Greek+ versions, so we can check every single word against tons of reference materials.

  • Yeshua taught that Simon was to be misled by satan (Luke 22:31-32), and called him the stone (petros) who would mislead the whole world (Zechariah 3:9).
  • Yeshua warns in all 3 Synoptic Gospels (Luke 21:8, Mark 13:5-6, Matthew 24:4-5) that those who come after using the term 'Ego I-mee' ('I Am') shall deceive many; the Gospel of John has 7 'I Am' statements, no parables, no word 'gospel', etc.
  • Only Paul claims himself to be an apostle (2 Timothy 1:15), and in Revelation 2:2 it declares him not to be one.... Plus he contradicts Christ on many points.

Modern Greek is no longer like ancient Greek, and people get there is a difference between those. ;)

In my opinion.
:innocent:

Where does Zechariah 3:9 say that the stone will mislead the whole world? Can u post the verse/translation you are using? That verse doesn't even talk about what you claim it to talk about.
Jesus Christ was praying for Simon because Satan wanted to mislead Simon, since Satan wants to mislead everyone, even Jesus Christ. So again, i disagree with you about Luke 22:31-32.

Umm i agree with you about how the anti Christ wants to use the term God for himself. That's what most 'Christians' teach nowadays, i believe they have been mislead by the anti Christ.

I disagree with you about Paul. Paul was an Disciple, an Apostel. And the Disciples mentioned him, and Simon said that Paul is hard to understand, since he was very knowledgeable both in the Law and in the Gospel!

There is not much difference in modern Greek, Hebrew and Arabic with the 1-2k year old ones. So that's a claim of yours that i disagree with as well. I am learning them, so i can speak with experience.
 

wizanda

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Where does Zechariah 3:9 say that the stone will mislead the whole world? Can u post the verse/translation you are using?
KJV: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the LORD of hosts, and I will remove 'this' (H853 - specific entity being referenced) iniquity
That verse doesn't even talk about what you claim it to talk about.
Yeshua was the one who claimed it by him naming Simon the stone; this is clear when we realize Zechariah 3:1-2 reference Mark 8:31-33, where he rebukes Simon as being satan.
Simon said that Paul is hard to understand, since he was very knowledgeable both in the Law and in the Gospel!
If Yeshua said Simon would be misled by satan, and Paul makes a mess of understanding prophecy, as he's trying to make Yeshua fit into Pharisaic Judaism; then what was prophesied about the Tares being planted soon after, happened clearly.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

W3bcrowf3r

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KJV: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the LORD of hosts, and I will remove 'this' (H853 - specific entity being referenced) iniquity

Yeshua was the one who claimed it by him naming Simon the stone; this is clear when we realize Zechariah 3:1-2 reference Mark 8:31-33, where he rebukes Simon as being satan.

If Yeshua said Simon would be misled by satan, and Paul makes a mess of understanding prophecy, as he's trying to make Yeshua fit into Pharisaic Judaism; then what was prophesied about the Tares being planted soon after, happened clearly.

In my opinion. :innocent:

For your own information, the KJV is based on the self made Greek Text made by Erasmus. Erasmus couldn't even complete hes Greek New Testament while there was a Greek Church in Jerusalem and Antioch, so he didn't bother to go to them and ask for a copy, but completed hes self made Greek New Testament with verses borrowed from a Latin translation of the New Testament..

So go back to the interlineair Hebrew Bible and post Zechariah 3:9. And lets see what kind of cake you are going to bake for us.

I disagree with you about Zechariah 3:1-2 as well. An English translation:
Zechariah 3:1 And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of YHVH, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him. 2 And YHVH said unto Satan, YHVH rebuke
thee, O Satan; even YHVH that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: [is] not this a brand plucked out of the fire?

Mark 8:31-33 is talking about how Simon was afraid for Jesus Christ because he heard that he would be crucified.. It's not that Simon is Satan or something.., Jesus Christ called him the Stone.. And Zechariah 3 is talking about Joshua the high priest..

I disagree with you with interpretation here.

Umm, i think you do not understand Paul. And you were to fast in jumping on the anti-Paul hate train.
 

wizanda

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As already saying in Esword Bible software, with the KJV+ we can check every word in Hebrew+ & Greek+...

The words 'and i will remove this iniquity' makes the context more specific in Zechariah 3:9.
interlineair Hebrew Bible and post Zechariah 3:9
Did Already post the Biblehub Hebrew Text Analysis, so you could see the word missed in translation.
It's not that Simon is Satan or something
Satan means an accuser, and since Simon didn't get the prophecies concerning Yeshua, his accusations were the part unmerited, and the reason being is Yeshua explained he came to cut off Jerusalem (Zechariah 11), as he revealed how prophecy was fulfilled it says...

So there is an accurate assumption that Simon was saying let not these things happen to Yeshua; yet he and Judas went to the Sanhedrin that day (John 18:15-17), which is why he then denies him three times on the way back...

Thus why did the Sanhedrin know Simon? :eek:

Yeshua knew something we didn't that Simon was overly Pharisaic, thus him calling him the Stone (petros) was a prophetic utterance.

Simon didn't go around telling Judah they were cut off after, and instead went around telling people they're saved by believing he came to die. :(
i think you do not understand Paul. And you were to fast in jumping on the anti-Paul hate train.
Having spent 14 years debating this list against Paul, most people's arguments are weak, and are often very naive using their presuppositions to supplant the data.

Here is a list of award winning theologians
who've also recognized some of Paul's errors....

The clearest tho is this Point overall:

Yeshua challenged the Sanhedrin for murdering the prophets as atoning sacrifices in Matthew 23:27-38, Mark 7:1-13, and the Parable of the Wicked Husbandman (Matthew 21:33-46, Mark 12:1-12, and Luke 20:9-19)...

Therefore when Paul teaches we get an inheritance because jesus acted like an animal sin sacrifice, the guy was totally insane, if he thinks the Torah/Tanakh can be used to substantiate such claims.

Which if we check history, the people of the time thought that, with James the Just head of the Ebionites and Church of Jerusalem standing against Pauline Christianity.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 
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rosends

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just a side note -- the text of Zech 3:9 doesn't say "this iniquity"

וּמַשְׁתִּי אֶת־עֲוֺן הָאָרֶץ־הַהִיא בְּיוֹם אֶחָד

and I will remove that country’s guilt in a single day.
 

BilliardsBall

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If we just read the Tanakh without biases from the varied Abrahamic religious presuppositions, the text can be seen that Yeshua is prophesied to be the flesh of David, with the spirit of the Lord placed within him.

Many get confused with this, as they no longer accept the Divine Council we find in Psalms 82:1, due to bad language comprehension on EL (H410) and Eloh (H433 + H430).

The God Most High (EL Elyon) is above the Divine Council of Elohim (Deuteronomy 32:7-9), and is the Source of Reality like a CPU in a simulated reality, manifesting it at a quantum level, where it is beyond form.

El (God) is the Source, and Eloh is a being made manifest by El (Isaiah 46:9); adding 'h' meant God breathed, like Abram became Abraham, and Sara became Sarah when blessed by God.

The Biblical authors recognized these differences, and even prophesied that mankind would get confused by this structuring due to other religious cultures; even tho it is the same as the Dharmic comprehension.

Yah + Havah (Lord + To Be - H3050 + H1933) means similar to Brahma (To Be), and Brahma's Source (Father) is Brahman (God Most High - El Elyon).

The Lord said he would become our salvation (Yeshua) by the prophets (Exodus 15:2, Psalms 118:14-21, Isaiah 12:2), and when we read all of Psalms 118, we're not to put our trust in the Son of Man; yet in the one who made the Chief-Corner Stone.

The naming of Yeshua is a continued symbolic naming that goes back to Moses calling Hosea son of Nun, Yehoshua son of Nun... Then we see Yehoshua son of Yehozadek leading the people back after the Babylonian Exile... Thus Yehoshua son of Yoseph is a natural continuation of the naming, that he will be the one who leads us back into the promised land.

Psalms 89:19-21 is paraphrased in Isaiah 52:13-14, where there is an additional yod on the word blemished in the Dead Sea Scrolls making it 'I anointed'.
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Psalms 89:19-21 Then you spoke in vision to your saints, and said, “I have given strength to the warrior. I have exalted a young man from the people. (20) I have found David, my servant. I have anointed him with my holy oil, (21) with whom my hand shall be established. My arm will also strengthen him.

Isaiah 52:13-14 Behold, my servant will deal wisely. He will be exalted and lifted up, and will be very high. Just as many were astonished by him, for I anointed him more than others appearance, and his form more than a son of man.


Isaiah 52:10 is the start of the Isaiah 53 passage, as it starts with the Arm of the Lord, which we find repeated in Isaiah 53:1, which then identifies it as a header.

At the end of Isaiah 52:10 we find that we will see 'Yeshuat Eloheinu', which is 'the Salvation of our Lord'; this is also in Psalms 98:3, where the Gentiles see the Right Arm of the Lord interacting with mankind.

Thus the symbolism implies that the spirit of the Lord is put in the vessel of David's flesh, to fulfill what we see in Isaiah 53; so that the Lord could make intercession, as he saw no man who could (Isaiah 59:16, Isaiah 53:6, Isaiah 53:12).

Therefore Yeh-oshua (Lord + To Save - H3050 + H3467) being the Son of the God Most High in the Synoptic Gospels (Luke 1:32), fits with what was prophesied in the Tanakh.

In my opinion. :innocent:

I read your post but do not understand 1) what religionists have wrong 2) what your point is. Jesus is God in all four gospels, not just the synoptics.
 

wizanda

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just a side note -- the text of Zech 3:9 doesn't say "this iniquity"
H5771
עוון / עון
‛âvôn
Total KJV Occurrences: 236
iniquity - 172, iniquities - 49, punishment - 9, fault - 2, punishments - 2, mischief - 1, sin - 1

BDB Definition:
1) perversity, depravity, iniquity, guilt or punishment of iniquity
1a) iniquity
1b) guilt of iniquity, guilt (as great), guilt (of condition)
1c) consequence of or punishment for iniquity

Exodus 20:5 you shall not bow yourself down to them, nor serve them, for I, Yahweh your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity (H5771) of the fathers on the children, on the third and on the fourth generation of those who hate me,

People being 'guilty' is a reason to remove them from reality; yet them being charged with 'iniquity' is a verdict.

In my opinion.
:innocent:
 

wizanda

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2) what your point is. Jesus is God in all four gospels, not just the synoptics.
The point is Yeshua is the Lord (YHVH), and the Lord is the Son of the God Most High (Psalms 89:6, Psalms 29:1).

Yeshua said the Jews two thousand years ago did not know his father (Matthew 11:27), and most people don't today; Yeshua's father is El Elyon (Luke 1:32).

The Gospel of John has a different theological structure, and thus muddies the water in terms of what was stated.
1) what religionists have wrong
Multiple things:
  • Christians think Yeshua is the son of YHVH.
  • Muslims think Yeshua is not the son of Allah (God Most High).
  • Jews think Yeshua isn't throughout the Tanakh.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

rosends

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H5771
עוון / עון
‛âvôn
Total KJV Occurrences: 236
iniquity - 172, iniquities - 49, punishment - 9, fault - 2, punishments - 2, mischief - 1, sin - 1

BDB Definition:
1) perversity, depravity, iniquity, guilt or punishment of iniquity
1a) iniquity
1b) guilt of iniquity, guilt (as great), guilt (of condition)
1c) consequence of or punishment for iniquity

Exodus 20:5 you shall not bow yourself down to them, nor serve them, for I, Yahweh your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity (H5771) of the fathers on the children, on the third and on the fourth generation of those who hate me,

People being 'guilty' is a reason to remove them from reality; yet them being charged with 'iniquity' is a verdict.

In my opinion.
:innocent:
Yes, certainly one of the meanings for avon is "iniquity" (though, clearly, not the only one) but there is no "this". There is a "that land/country".
 

wizanda

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there is no "this". There is a "that land/country".
Used the word 'this' as to be item specific with את־עון as it points at the entity being referenced; thus the stone is being referenced as having the iniquity upon it.

The whole World is cleansed of the iniquity in a Day Isaiah 24, Isaiah 34, etc.

In my opinion.
:innocent:
 
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