What happens after Death?

[OrtaYol]

Personally, I'd ask why one should expect everyone to have the same fate after this life? As Tom Paine wrote, I'm content to wait and see, trusting that whatever happens to me will be for the best.

In the words of 'Pac, "We all gonna die, we bleed through similar veins."

 

[Trailblazer]

Personally I believe we are a combination of body and soul, neither can operate without the other. When our body dies, our soul remains, but without a body it cannot interact with reality, so cannot detect the passing of time etc.

So my belief goes, we die and will be resurrected on judgement day when we are given new bodies. In between nothing happens, we are like software without any hardware to run on.

So do you believe like Christians that the physical body will be resurrected after we die?
Where will the body go then?
When is judgement day?

I won't explain what I believe again because I have explained it to several people on this thread and I am tired of typing it.

I will just say what I did not say... I agree with you that the soul needs a body to express itself in this world, but the soul will express itself in the spiritual world with a new body that will be a spiritual body.

 

[OrtaYol]

Welcome to the forum.
I do not believe that hell is a place but rather it is a state of the soul that is distant from God, so sometimes I worry about the afterlife because I do not feel that close to God.

If your religion is Islam and you abide by the Qur'an you should have nothing to worry about. The fact that you are worried shows that you have humility.

Thanks for the welcome!

Whether it is a place or a state, if it exists I'm sure it's gonna suck

The times I have felt closest to God is when I talk to Him, not praying but just sharing like a friend.

I do try to abide by the Quran, however this has not always been the case and I do not always succeed, plus I might have a totally wrong interpretation of the Quran as my views are not mainstream. Basically I'll feel safe once I'm over the line

Yes I have humility, I am the most humble man in the world!

 

[OrtaYol]

So do you believe like Christians that the physical body will be resurrected after we die?
Where will the body go then?
When is judgement day?

I won't explain what I believe again because I have explained it to several people on this thread and I am tired of typing it.

I will just say what I did not say... I agree with you that the soul needs a body to express itself in this world, but the soul will express itself in the spiritual world with a new body that will be a spiritual body.

My views on this are not solid but I think it will be a physical body, I think heaven will be similar to Earth just without the negatives and a bunch of bonuses added in. Whether the body is the same as we have now or some new matter... I don't know. Is there some reason it would even matter?

As for when is judgement day? Only God knows that.

 

[Trailblazer]

I do not understand why so many people think the subject of death is so funny. It is not funny at all to me where I am going to be spending my eternity. I take it very seriously. Of course maybe some of you are younger than I am. I did not think about it as much when I was younger although I have known there is an afterlife since I was 17. But now I want to know as much as possible about where I am going because I need to start packing what I will need. It is like you know you are going to move but you do not start packing until the time to move approaches. I still have time but in reality nobody really knows how much time they have, since it is not all age-based.

31: O SON OF BEING! Bring thyself to account each day ere thou art summoned to a reckoning; for death, unheralded, shall come upon thee and thou shalt be called to give account for thy deeds. The Hidden Words of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 11

 

[OrtaYol]

I don't know if I find it funny(well sometimes it is definitely funny but speaking in general), but I do find it fun. Will taking death so seriously make it a more pleasant experience? Will I gain more from life worrying about it?

 

[Trailblazer]

Thanks for the welcome!

Whether it is a place or a state, if it exists I'm sure it's gonna suck

The times I have felt closest to God is when I talk to Him, not praying but just sharing like a friend.

I do try to abide by the Quran, however this has not always been the case and I do not always succeed, plus I might have a totally wrong interpretation of the Quran as my views are not mainstream. Basically I'll feel safe once I'm over the line

Yes I have humility, I am the most humble man in the world!

You are a man right after my own heart. So now I have three Muslim friends on this forum.

I also feel closest to God when I talk to Him, but usually by then I am pretty angry. God seems to listen when I am angry, like He knows I have had enough.....

I feel the same way you do about the afterlife, that it is going to suck..... My poor husband is tired of listening to me complain.... I have no good reason to feel this way given all the "promises" of Baha'u'llah about how glorious the afterlife is going to be, but it's not as if He gave us a lot to go on....

So we are just supposed to have faith... Sorry but that is not good enough for me so I am doing some research and I am turning up some information that correlates with my religious beliefs but goes into much more detail about the afterlife. We Baha'is are advised not to delve into the spiritual realm but I am not a mainstream Baha'i so I do my own thing.

Basically I will feel safe when I am over the line, but I am going to do my darnedest to be prepared before I get to that line. I do not like surprises.

 

[Trailblazer]

My views on this are not solid but I think it will be a physical body, I think heaven will be similar to Earth just without the negatives and a bunch of bonuses added in. Whether the body is the same as we have now or some new matter... I don't know. Is there some reason it would even matter?

I think heaven is a lot different from earth because it is not a physical world. It matters that we know that ahead of time because if people are expecting physical things and then there are none they could be very disappointed, even panicked.

As for when is judgement day? Only God knows that.

I believe that judgment day has already come: The Day of Judgment

 

[Aupmanyav]

.. it is made up of minerals, flowers tree trunks, lion's tail, etc. The atoms of my body have had a long journey which continues even today and must have been part of billions of things, living and non-living.

Yesterday, my wife added rock-salt with all its constituent minerals to a snack, so that is also a part of our bodies now.

My views on this are not solid .. but the soul will express itself in the spiritual world with a new body that will be a spiritual body.

Why? Read some more of Bahaullah and Abdul Baha. Is there anything that they have left unexplained? Good luck with your spiritual body.

.. as my views are not mainstream. Basically I'll feel safe once I'm over the line

That is the problem. You should not be over the line. That is not appreciated in Islam. Your views should be mainstream. Then you would not have any problem.

.. I need to start packing what I will need.
.. So we are just supposed to have faith .. Sorry but that is not good enough for me

You don't need any packing. Your deeds pack you. Just take your tooth-brush along.

lā ḥawla wa lā quwwata illā billāh. You have the latest progressive revelation and yet you have doubts.

 

[Trailblazer]

I don't know if I find it funny(well sometimes it is definitely funny but speaking in general), but I do find it fun. Will taking death so seriously make it a more pleasant experience? Will I gain more from life worrying about it?

I do not think we should worry about death, but I think we should consider it a serious subject, not a joke. IF we take it seriously there will be nothing to worry about.

 

[ChristineM]

You must take necessary steps to avoid that. No incorruptible
bone, no ticket to heaven.

You did see what I am sayibg, re death and instant soul departure?

I will avoid it at all costs, and you must avoid it too.

But thinking about it, an quick and painless way to go

I did see... The concept of soul is alien to me. When brain function ceases, end of conscious story.

 

[Trailblazer]

Read some more of Bahaullah and Abdul Baha. Is there anything that they have left unexplained?

Yes, there is a lot they did not explain, like where we are going and what we will be doing for all of eternity... What do you think, that they gave us a travel brochure? They do owe us one though, given all we are expected to endure in this mortal life.

You don't need any packing. Your deeds pack you. Just take your tooth-brush along.

I will need to pack a lot more deeds in my suitcase before I leave but I won't need a toothbrush.

You have the latest progressive revelation and yet you have doubts.

I have doubts about myself, not about the Revelation of Baha'u'llah.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Yes, there is a lot they did not explain, ..

Not they, He, Bahaullah. Abdul Baha was not a manifestation. Allah is strange. Never does a complete job. That is why he has to send manifestations all the time. Only he knows what pleasure he gets out of this - keeping people ill-informed. Oh, no. It is not Allah who sends the manifestations. It is Bahaullah who does that.

 

[james blunt]

AFTER this physical life.

Physical life disperses, never ends.....consciousness is just a voice...

 

[Audie]

Yes, I'd imagine they would, probably not the same as ours as I don't believe they are up for judgement.

By operate I mean function in reality. Without the access to our 5 senses that having a body gives us the soul has no way of interacting with anything. It can't see, hear, smell, touch, think.

You do know that single cell organisms detrct light, touch, are chrmoreceptive,
and react accordingly.

 

[Trailblazer]

Not they, He, Bahaullah. Abdul Baha was not a manifestation. Allah is strange. Never does a complete job. That is why he has to send manifestations all the time. Only he knows what pleasure he gets out of this - keeping people ill-informed. Oh, no. It is not Allah who sends the manifestations. It is Bahaullah who does that.

It is God (Allah) who sends Manifestations... Baha'u'llah was one such Manifestation. Baha'u'llah was not God so He did not send Himself.

It is obvious why God has to send Manifestations in every age... Time does not stand still... The world and the people who live in it change drastically over time, so there needs to be a "new" Manifestation with a :new" message and "new" social teachings and laws in every "new" age.

“The Prophets of God should be regarded as physicians whose task is to foster the well-being of the world and its peoples, that, through the spirit of oneness, they may heal the sickness of a divided humanity. To none is given the right to question their words or disparage their conduct, for they are the only ones who can claim to have understood the patient and to have correctly diagnosed its ailments. No man, however acute his perception, can ever hope to reach the heights which the wisdom and understanding of the Divine Physician have attained. Little wonder, then, if the treatment prescribed by the physician in this day should not be found to be identical with that which he prescribed before. How could it be otherwise when the ills affecting the sufferer necessitate at every stage of his sickness a special remedy?”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 80​

“The All-Knowing Physician hath His finger on the pulse of mankind. He perceiveth the disease, and prescribeth, in His unerring wisdom, the remedy. Every age hath its own problem, and every soul its particular aspiration. The remedy the world needeth in its present-day afflictions can never be the same as that which a subsequent age may require. Be anxiously concerned with the needs of the age ye live in, and center your deliberations on its exigencies and requirements.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 213​

The "new" Manifestation is how we get informed in every "new" age. Humanity does not have the same problems it had thousands of years ago. The older revelations from God have been abrogated by the Revelation of Baha'u'llah... He brought the remedy we need in this "new age."

Progressive Revelation makes logical sense so I often wonder why it perplexes so many people.

 

[lukethethird]

All kinds of **** happens after we are dead but we won't know because we would be dead, kind of a no brainer.

 

[Dave Watchman]

So we get a new spiritual body but we retain the same personality we had in this life and we pick up where we left off in this life. The only difference is that nothing is physical, not our body or our surroundings.

I agree that we will be able to pick up where we left off in this life, but that our bodies and surroundings will be physical. So i should be able to finish the work on my shed and then maybe build a pole barn and get some horses. And i'll have unlimited time to get good on my guitar. There's lots of evidence in the Bible pointing to a physical afterlife.

The Christian Bible went to some lengths to describe a physical building that we will live in for a time. Streets made of pure gold, gates of pearl and walls of precious stone. Fifteen hundred miles square. The Father's house has many rooms. They seemed to go to some lengths to let us know that we wouldn't just be wispy spirits floating around in a disembodied world.

When Jesus was about to cast out some demons, they would rather be put into a heard of swine than to go back to the disembodied spirit world.

And when Jesus ate His last meal with his disciples, He told them that He wouldn't drink of the fruit of the vine until He drank it new with them in His Father's kingdom. Spirits don't drink physical wine right?

And when Jesus was resurrected, He spent 40 days with the disciples. He ate and drank and invited them to touch Him and feel His wounds.

So i don't know what we're going to be, but i bet it's going to be awesome. I'd bet you any money.

“Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
Nor have entered into the heart of man
The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.” - 1 Corinthians 2:9

 

[Trailblazer]

I agree that we will be able to pick up where we left off in this life, but that our bodies and surroundings will be physical. So i should be able to finish the work on my shed and then maybe build a pole barn and get some horses. And i'll have unlimited time to get good on my guitar. There's lots of evidence in the Bible pointing to a physical afterlife.

The Christian Bible went to some lengths to describe a physical building that we will live in for a time. Streets made of pure gold, gates of pearl and walls of precious stone. Fifteen hundred miles square. The Father's house has many rooms. They seemed to go to some lengths to let us know that we wouldn't just be wispy spirits floating around in a disembodied world.

When Jesus was about to cast out some demons, they would rather be put into a heard of swine than to go back to the disembodied spirit world.

And when Jesus ate His last meal with his disciples, He told them that He wouldn't drink of the fruit of the vine until He drank it new with them in His Father's kingdom. Spirits don't drink physical wine right?

And when Jesus was resurrected, He spent 40 days with the disciples. He ate and drank and invited them to touch Him and feel His wounds.

So i don't know what we're going to be, but i bet it's going to be awesome. I'd bet you any money.

“Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
Nor have entered into the heart of man
The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.” - 1 Corinthians 2:9

The afterlife is not going to be physical world, it is a purely spiritual world. Exactly what that means or what it will be like we cannot understand until we get there. It is so different from this material world that we can no more understand what it will be like than a child in the womb of its mother can understand what it will be like when it is born into the material world. It is a whole new world when that baby opens his eyes just as it will be a whole new world when we die and wake up in the spiritual world.

The fact that it will not be physical is a belief of my religion, the Baha'i Faith but it is also confirmed by many spirit communicators who have spoken with those who have died and crossed over... Two books that explain what the spiritual world is like are entitled The Afterlife Revealed and Private Dowding. You can read Private Dowding online.

One man who communicated with spirits was Swedenborg. He was a Christian and he wrote this book entitled Heaven and Hell in 1758... I think that everyone should read this book so they will know what to expect. He quotes Bible scriptures and explains what they refer to. He describes what the Many Mansions will be like and who will reside in them.

Aside from all that, why anyone would want to live in a physical body in a physical world for all of eternity is beyond my comprehension. The spiritual world will be so much better than anything we can imagine in this material world. I say that with caveats because it will only be better for those who go to heaven, not for those who go to hell. There is no guarantee of heaven for anyone and it will depend upon a lot more than what you believed about Jesus. Please read those books for your own sake.

 

[OrtaYol]

You do know that single cell organisms detrct light, touch, are chrmoreceptive,
and react accordingly.

Sure. I don't see how that affects my position?