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Why death is a must?

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Why we're made to die? why we can't expand our life span to 200 years,
why we can't stay youth? is't just how nature supposed to work?
why nature brought us to this life with the ability to see, to think, to walk,
but it failed to keep us youth for as long as 200 years?
Is't just the work of luck or the work of a plan?
 

WalterTrull

Godfella
Why we're made to die? why we can't expand our life span to 200 years,
why we can't stay youth? is't just how nature supposed to work?
why nature brought us to this life with the ability to see, to think, to walk,
but it failed to keep us youth for as long as 200 years?
Is't just the work of luck or the work of a plan?
Hmmm...
Methuselah 969 yrs
Jared 962 yrs

Noah 950 yrs
Just sayin'
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Why we're made to die? why we can't expand our life span to 200 years,
why we can't stay youth? is't just how nature supposed to work?
why nature brought us to this life with the ability to see, to think, to walk,
but it failed to keep us youth for as long as 200 years?
Is't just the work of luck or the work of a plan?

Interesting article

How We Age
 

allfoak

Alchemist
Why we're made to die? why we can't expand our life span to 200 years,
why we can't stay youth? is't just how nature supposed to work?
why nature brought us to this life with the ability to see, to think, to walk,
but it failed to keep us youth for as long as 200 years?
Is't just the work of luck or the work of a plan?
Death is what we are living to overcome.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Why we're made to die? why we can't expand our life span to 200 years,
why we can't stay youth? is't just how nature supposed to work?
why nature brought us to this life with the ability to see, to think, to walk,
but it failed to keep us youth for as long as 200 years?
Is't just the work of luck or the work of a plan?

Thats just the cycle of life. We learn it from nature as we are a part of nature. We learn it from animals as we are animals* ourselves. We learn to live and we accept death. There is no why. Thats like asking a cat why is he here. The cat does what he does and when he dies he goes back to the earth. I wouldnt say just luck. You make your own purpose. Create more questions and you'll be waiting for answers for the rest of your life.

There are a lot of biological and psychological reasons why we die and how. If spirit exist, Id say that spark of life/spirit is what makes your heart beat. Soul is your personality and emotions. Both do not survive after death; but, what you can do is take care of yourself or your spirit and learn more about your personality, your emotions, your mind or soul.

Why do you want to live on?

I mean, Im scared of death but I am scared of pain too; so, I cant imagine living forever. If there were life without pain, what would you learn?
 

Jumi

Well-Known Member
There's no benefit to human race if we lived longer, as our ability to have children declines with age neither can we defend the younger anymore if we get old. That's why we die of old age. Of course there's other reasons we die as well.
 

osgart

Nothing my eye, Something for sure
There is no existing natural condition where it is desireable to live forever.

If there were some other far superior existence then this one, living forever would be highly desireable. Perhaps a place where there is no need and all is self sufficient and unable to be destroyed.

Death is natural in an everchanging universe, we simply cant last. Why suppose that greater realities exist? What is the cause to reason?

Animals eat other animals by nature to desperately survive. Why would God cause that condition upon us?
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Why we're made to die? why we can't expand our life span to 200 years,
why we can't stay youth? is't just how nature supposed to work?
why nature brought us to this life with the ability to see, to think, to walk,
but it failed to keep us youth for as long as 200 years?
Is't just the work of luck or the work of a plan?
God never intended us to live in a physical body on earth forever. This material existence is just a temporary existence and its primary purpose is preparation for our continued existence in the spiritual world, which is a world without end.

The thing is that many people become attached to the material world and their body and they do not want to relinquish it. Those people will have a difficult time crossing over to the spiritual world, and I cannot say what will happen to them once they cross over, except that they will be in shock when they realize that they are not dead. They might also experience a great deal of regret if they did not live their life as God intended making them wholly unprepared for the spiritual world. Exactly what will happen after that we do not know.

“The nature of the soul after death can never be described, nor is it meet and permissible to reveal its whole character to the eyes of men. The Prophets and Messengers of God have been sent down for the sole purpose of guiding mankind to the straight Path of Truth. The purpose underlying Their revelation hath been to educate all men, that they may, at the hour of death, ascend, in the utmost purity and sanctity and with absolute detachment, to the throne of the Most High.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 156-157
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
If there were some other far superior existence then this one, living forever would be highly desireable. Perhaps a place where there is no need and all is self sufficient and unable to be destroyed.
Indeed there is such a superior existence and a place like you describe... :)
The important thing is that we are prepared to enter it, because it won't be the same for everyone. :(

You are such a purehearted soul, I don't worry about you, but I do worry about others. This is kind of my mission in life, helping people realize that this life is transitory and it is important to prepare for the afterlife. One cannot be over-prepared. The more prepared we are spiritually the easier it will be, and this will affect us for all of eternity.
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Why we're made to die? why we can't expand our life span to 200 years,
why we can't stay youth? is't just how nature supposed to work?
why nature brought us to this life with the ability to see, to think, to walk,
but it failed to keep us youth for as long as 200 years?
Is't just the work of luck or the work of a plan?
I find it is neither luck or the work of a plan.
More than a plan because God has a purpose for us and Earth.
Adam was Not made to, or forced to eat that forbidden fruit.
So, Adam was made to live as long as Adam chose to obey his God.
Since we were ALL born 'after' father Adam sinned is why we die and can't expand our life span.....
Because we can't expand is why we need someone who can do that for us. Jesus can and will - Revelation 1:18.
The majority of mankind can have a resurrection back to life. Heaven for some, Earth for the majority.

As for the people alive on Earth at the soon coming ' time of separation ' on Earth as per Matthew 25:31-33,37,40 they can remain alive, and keep on living right into the start of calendar Day One of Jesus' 1,000-yer governmental rule over Earth begins. During Jesus' millennium-long day of governing over Earth ' enemy death ' will be No more.
- 1 Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8.
This is why we are all invited to pray the invitation of Revelation 22:20 for Jesus to come !
Come and bring the benefits of Revelation 22:2 to Earth for us when mankind will again see the return of the Genesis ' Tree of Life ' for the purpose of the ' healing ' of earth's nations. Healed from enemy death.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
God never intended us to live in a physical body on earth forever. This material existence is just a temporary existence and its primary purpose is preparation for our continued existence in the spiritual world, which is a world without end.

I find the God of the Bible gifted Earth to men as per Psalms 115:16.
I also find at Ecclesiastes 1:4 B that Earth is a world without end because Earth abides forever.
Angelic creation is the creation that God never intended to live in a physical body anywhere.
Whereas, physical creation is offered 'everlasting life on Earth' as long as obeying God.
That is why Jesus promised that humble meek people will inherit the Earth.
At the soon coming ' time of separation ' on Earth as per Matthew 25:31-33,37,40 the figurative humble ' sheep'-like people are spiritual people on Earth. Their spiritually is intact and they can remain alive on Earth, and continue to live on Earth. Live an everlasting life right here on a beautiful paradisical Earth as God originally intended for mankind.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Animals eat other animals by nature to desperately survive. Why would God cause that condition upon us?

I find there are some animals that even eat their young.
Things changed in the animal realm after the Flood of Noah's day.
Things will change back in the animal realm after Jesus begins his coming 1,000-year governmental rule over Earth.
Isaiah 65:25 wrote the wolf and the lamb will feed together, Not on each other.
Isaiah 11:6 says the wolf will dwell with the lamb, etc. and even a small child will lead them.
So, it was man (Adam) that caused that animal-eat-animal condition upon us.
This is why God will have Jesus step in to undo all the damage Satan and Adam brought upon us.
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
We die because our bodies are finite and succumb to time, function and dysfunction. Changes in our body, and our environment and other internal/external factors contribute to our end. I also think death in the sense is a form of population control.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
We die because our bodies are finite and succumb to time, function and dysfunction. Changes in our body, and our environment and other internal/external factors contribute to our end. I also think death in the sense is a form of population control.
All that is true, so what do you have to say to Christians who believe that bodies will rise from graves en masse when Jesus returns and live on earth forever? o_O How could the earth support that many people? o_O Are no new people going to ever be born? o_O So many questions, so few answers.
 
All that is true, so what do you have to say to Christians who believe that bodies will rise from graves en masse when Jesus returns and live on earth forever? o_O How could the earth support that many people? o_O Are no new people going to ever be born? o_O So many questions, so few answers.

There are answers.

Not everyone that rises, rises to live on earth, some rise to be damned. So, that reduces the numbers.

Also, there will be a "new heaven and EARTH." Perhaps bigger.

Plus, look at all that space in the universe God made, surely he has plans for that being used.

Also, i think he will put a cap on babies being born. Except in the case of the thousand year reign. Perhaps the souls of babies that died will reincarnate then to be granted a chance.
 
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Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Why we're made to die? why we can't expand our life span to 200 years,
why we can't stay youth? is't just how nature supposed to work?
why nature brought us to this life with the ability to see, to think, to walk,
but it failed to keep us youth for as long as 200 years?
Is't just the work of luck or the work of a plan?
It's probably a good thing everything is dynamic. I think this is one of those type of questions where nature is what it is. No real rhyme or reason. I don't think there needs to be one anyways and when you think about it, life and death works very well. The cycle of life and death, aging and renewal, it's necessary to keep everything "fresh". I suppose you could apply the term equilibrium here .

If anything was perpetually static, when you really think about it, that would essentially be a type of "death" itself and everything would grind to a halt. Can you imagine if nothing ever died or changed?

We should be happy that we've gotten this far taking things into account that the lifespan of people were not much past the twenties at the dawn of man. We've already extended ourselves considerably. I would think we could extend it quite a bit more as our knowledge and technology increases , yet it's clear It won't be forever.

I kind of like it anyways and I'm sure the eyes would open again to repeat the cycle.

When you really think about it, life and death don't really exist, as we are essentially ageless. Think about how old each atom in your body is.

The composition that makes us up as humans are probably billions of years old already. Our true age. ;0)
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
There are answers.

Not everyone that rises, rises to live on earth, some rise to be damned. So, that reduces the numbers.
So does everyone who has ever lived rise from their physical grave?
Where do the ones go who are damned, hell? But where is that? o_O
Also, there will be a "new heaven and EARTH. Perhaps bigger.
It would have to be very big in order to accommodate everyone who has ever lived.
Maybe they go somewhere else away from earth, like to a spiritual world, which is heaven.
Plus, look at all that space in the universe God made, surely he has plans for that being used.
Indeed, there are many other worlds besides this earth world, and we will see those after we die.

“As to thy question concerning the worlds of God. Know thou of a truth that the worlds of God are countless in their number, and infinite in their range. None can reckon or comprehend them except God, the All-Knowing, the All-Wise…..” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 151-152

“Verily I say, the creation of God embraceth worlds besides this world, and creatures apart from these creatures. In each of these worlds He hath ordained things which none can search except Himself, the All-Searching, the All-Wise. Do thou meditate on that which We have revealed unto thee, that thou mayest discover the purpose of God, thy Lord, and the Lord of all worlds. In these words the mysteries of Divine Wisdom have been treasured.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 152-153
Also, i think he will put a cap on babies being born. Except in the case of the thousand year reign. Perhaps the souls of babies that died will reincarnate then to be granted a chance.
I believe that the souls of all babies and children who have died have gone to the spiritual world (heaven) where they were greatly compensated and they will continue to grow there.
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Unlike Christians, I believe that after we die our physical body dies it never comes back to life. Briefly, I believe our soul separates from our body and goes to the spiritual world. We cannot understand what that is like until after we die. We do get a body there, a form that we are best suited for, and that form is made up of heavenly elements that exist in the heavenly realm. Some spirit communicators have reported that It is the same as the body we have here but it is not physical, because ether is nothing physical in the spiritual realm.
 
So does everyone who has ever lived rise from their physical grave?

Yes sir. Atleast thats the answer i get from da bible.

Where do the ones go who are damned, hell? But where is that? o_O

Yes, hell. Theres 2 kinds of hells mentioned in da bible. Theres hades, which is located in the spirit world. And theres the lake of fire, which is where the resurrected damned will go. That place is a place of annihilation. Its location i speculate is in the core of the earth. This annialation means they will cease to exist, soul and body destroyed.

It would have to be very big in order to accommodate everyone who has ever lived.

Yes, very true, which i dont think it be a problem making it very big, given theres enough space to put it in. Theres planets now that are very big in our solar system, like Jupiter.

Maybe they go somewhere else away from earth, like to a spiritual world, which is heaven.

Yea, but even heaven, would it not be some kind of planet in a dimension within the universe? Perhaps a piece of that space in the universe is located this heaven. Like another "galaxy" with different sets of laws within its nature.

Indeed, there are many other worlds besides this earth world, and we will see those after we die.

“As to thy question concerning the worlds of God. Know thou of a truth that the worlds of God are countless in their number, and infinite in their range. None can reckon or comprehend them except God, the All-Knowing, the All-Wise…..” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 151-152

“Verily I say, the creation of God embraceth worlds besides this world, and creatures apart from these creatures. In each of these worlds He hath ordained things which none can search except Himself, the All-Searching, the All-Wise. Do thou meditate on that which We have revealed unto thee, that thou mayest discover the purpose of God, thy Lord, and the Lord of all worlds. In these words the mysteries of Divine Wisdom have been treasured.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 152-153

That is interesting. Curious, when was those writings dated?

I believe that the souls of all babies and children who have died have gone to the spiritual world (heaven) where they were greatly compensated and they will continue to grow there.

Ok, what about the growing experiences that wer robbed of them in the earth realm? Should they not be reincarnated to be given a chance to experience that part of the journey?

Unlike Christians, I believe that after we die our physical body dies it never comes back to life.

So, what is the purpose of earth life in your view?

Briefly, I believe our soul separates from our body and goes to the spiritual world. We cannot understand what that is like until after we die. We do get a body there, a form that we are best suited for, and that form is made up of heavenly elements that exist in the heavenly realm. Some spirit communicators have reported that It is the same as the body we have here but it is not physical, because ether is nothing physical in the spiritual realm.

I agree with this. A astral body if ya will.
 
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