Evidences Supporting the Biblical Flood

[Hockeycowboy]

That is hardly an answer. There are no near surface "springs below" that could even come close to flooding the Earth. If you go deep you end up cooking Noah and company. And sources above would not do it if it was the atmosphere. The atmosphere can only hold a limited amount of water. If you go into space you once again cook Noah and family as a result.

"The atmosphere can only hold a limited amount of water. "
Well, that's all we agree on.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

That is because we learned that there are many claims in the Bible that are false. It took an understanding of the sciences to do so. Right now it has gotten to the point that the only possible explanation is that God lied by covering up his dirty work.

I presented evidence for the Flood, nothing else.

As for the Exodus...lack of evidence is not proof. It never is, only to the biased.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Interesting, that that's all you can say.

Why don't you provide a counter argument, other than just saying, "you're wrong"?
Because you can't find any other interpretation of the evidence that meets with scientific consensus.

Only the Global Flood satisfactorily explains the evidence.

But science can't accept that. Oh well....

Let's go over your claims one at a time. You did a Gish Gallop and nothing the chief flaw in it is all that it takes to refute it. I explained why you are not even wrong, which is worse than being wrong. You have no scientific evidence for your beliefs. Did you miss the post on scientific evidence?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I didn't say, I was under attack!

The context was why do you (all) think the bible is under attack?

If it is your faith, and your faith is under attack, why would I not think you are not when you are defending something that the rest of us are not interested in defending.

 

[Subduction Zone]

"The atmosphere can only hold a limited amount of water. "
Well, that's all we agree on.

So then"from above" is eliminated.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

a lot of what the Bible says is simply not true.

Prove it, man.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I presented evidence for the Flood, nothing else.

As for the Exodus...lack of evidence is not proof. It never is, only to the biased.

No, you didn't. You posted claims that were unsubstantiated and probably wrong.

Let's take baby steps. You need to learn what is and what is not evidence before you can post any.

And I did not even bring up Exodus here. But of course you are wrong again in your claim about a lack of evidence. A lack of evidence can prove an event did not happen.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I presented evidence for the Flood, nothing else.

As for the Exodus...lack of evidence is not proof. It never is, only to the biased.

Working backwards, what is the distinct proof from the earth-flood has supernatural causes without referring to the bible?

 

[Hockeycowboy]

So then"from above" is eliminated.

I didn't say that! Grief!

I said limited....but it was enough to provide a greenhouse effect, for Adam and Eve to live naked comfortably.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

No, you didn't. You posted claims that were unsubstantiated and probably wrong.

Let's take baby steps. You need to learn what is and what is not evidence before you can post any.

Lol. You're so arrogant.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Working backwards, what is the distinct proof from the earth-flood has supernatural causes without referring to the bible?

My goodness, read my post. Point Number 1.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I didn't say that! Grief!

I said limited....but it was enough to provide a greenhouse effect, for Adam and Eve to live naked comfortably.

It is obvious. We can calculate the maximum amount of water the atmosphere can hold and it would be nowhere near enough to do the job. And let's try to concentrate on one myth at a time.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Lol. You're so arrogant.

No, I am not. The problem is that you know so little that a genuine offer to help you looks like arrogance. I am not saying that you are not smart enough to learn. I am merely pointing out the obvious, that you do not even understand the concept of evidence. To me you look arrogant for posting nonsense and refusing to even try to learn.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

My goodness, read my post. Point Number 1.

Whats the connection?

I cant read your full post to get the context of point one. It will take me an essay and a half to actually read everything instead of glosing over it. Thats why I make sections when I reply so i can go through each paragraph at a time. I cant do that all in one gump.

That being said, simple question. Without using the bible as a foundation, name an event that prooves distinctly supernatural claims.

You listed natural. What about supernatural?

Without the bible.

I should be able to come to a god-conclusion just by studying science and the abrahamic god at that. I dont.

Without the bible, how can someone see the abrahamic god in a chain of events that existed long before people wrote about their theories and myths on how the earth and life started?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Vast herds, comprising perhaps millions of grazing animals, discovered within

I cut it off intentionally. Again. How does this connect to the supernatural?

Work backwards.

Without the bible (so take out the last half of your post), explain how I can see the abrahamic god in these random earth events?

Outside of syncronicity, build that connection that scientists missed.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Because, for the last 2 centuries, the veracity of the Bible has been under constant attack.

Which is good: IF it was actually from a GOD? This would only STRENGTHEN the bible's claims.

The fact the claims get WEAKER AND WEAKER? Proves the bible is not from any god or godlike being.

Ooops! It appears the god of the bible was kinda dumb...

... and did not even understand where the sun went at night.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Lol. You're so arrogant.

One more response on this. Others too have noted your general lack of education and thought That you were a list cause without thousands of dollars worth of education. I am more optimistic than that. I feel that it you learn the basics that you can go on to understand how and why that you are wrong.

That if anything is the opposite of arrogance.

 

[Woberts]

I think it's a lost cause, @Subduction Zone. Such a shame, too. Most of them at least try to provide evidence.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I think it's a lost cause, @Subduction Zone. Such a shame, too. Most of them at least try to provide evidence.

My way of looking at it is that if I did not try to help them to learn that would be arrogant.

Though you may be right. There have been only a few times where I did get creationists try to learn what is and what is not evidence and when it became obvious to them that my claims about evidence were correct they ran away. Still who knows how that affected them years down the road?

 

[sealchan]

Global Flood evidence:

1.Vast herds, comprising perhaps millions of grazing animals, discovered within the muck fields by gold hunters in the Alaskan and Yukon regions. In the Siberian permafrost, a few have been discovered upright, with food (delicate flowers like buttercups, that only grow in temperate climates) discovered still unchewed in their mouths, like the Berezovka Mammoth. (They died instantly, not from a slow-moving ice age!)

http://www.amendez.com/Noahs Ark Articles/NAS Worldwide Mammal Massacre.pdf

The question is raised — and properly so: “How could a Global Flood cause such freezing temperatures?” Keep in mind, some of the water (not most...most were from the “vast springs” underneath the ground) came from above, from the atmosphere....the troposphere?...the mesosphere?...the stratosphere? The Bible doesn’t say, it is silent. (Maybe from all five.) But the waters above the Earth caused temperatures to be very mild, and pleasantly warm.... similar to a greenhouse effect, worldwide. (That’s why Adam & Eve could go naked, and be very comfortable.) Yes, the Bible indicates there were seasons, but apparently mild ones.

All of that drastically changed, with the break in this canopy! Temperatures would drop suddenly!

2.This project, completed by physics students of the University of Leicester, provides an interesting conclusion:
https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/university-of-leicester-physics-students-says-noahs-ark-would-have-floated-with-two-each-of-35000-species-of-animal/news-story/a7e558bc25fecf8e2865867579f05479.

And this one:
Could Noah’s Ark Float? In Theory, Yes | Science | Smithsonian

Further information:
Noah’s Ark was the focus of a major 1993 scientific study headed by Dr. Seon Hong at the world-class ship research center KRISO, based in Daejeon, South Korea. Dr. Hong’s team compared twelve hulls of different proportions to discover which design was most practical. No hull shape was found to significantly outperform the 4,300-year-old biblical design. In fact, the Ark’s careful balance is easily lost if the proportions are modified, rendering the vessel either unstable, prone to fracture, or dangerously uncomfortable.
The research team found that the proportions of Noah’s Ark carefully balanced the conflicting demands of stability (resistance to capsizing), comfort (“seakeeping”), and strength. In fact, the Ark has the same proportions as a modern cargo ship.


The study also confirmed that the Ark could handle waves as high as 100 ft (30 m). Dr. Hong is now director general of the facility and claims “life came from the sea,” obviously not the words of a creationist on a mission to promote the worldwide Flood. Endorsing the seaworthiness of Noah’s Ark obviously did not damage Dr. Hong’s credibility.

Dr. Seon Won Hong was principal research scientist when he headed up the Noah’s Ark investigation. In May 2005 Dr. Hong was appointed director general of MOERI (formerly KRISO). Dr. Hong earned a B.S. degree in naval architecture from Seoul National University and a Ph.D. degree in applied mechanics from the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor.

3.Coupled with that, the dimensions of the Ark, a 6-to-1 ratio of length to width, and 10-to-1 ratio of length to height, are exactly what is needed for a non-powered vessel of that size to maintain stability! Only in the last 2 centuries have ship builders recognized that this ratio is perfect for non-powered barge-like ships to be seaworthy. This is powerful evidence supporting a literal interpretation: How could Moses have known, in recording the event, that Noah was given such ideal dimensions? Fortunate guessing?

4.The numerous Flood legends (exceeding 250, one anthropologist says near 1,000), that share many similarities, some strikingly so, that indicates a common source.

5.Furthermore, the Bible clearly states, in Psalms 104, that the Flood was the cause of Earth’s mountains reaching such great heights. (Due to the underground waters spewing upward, and the land settling downward.) This would mean the high mountainous ranges we have today, like the Alps, the Himalayas, the Andes, and others, did not exist before the Flood; they are relatively young in formation. Some were even underwater prior to the Flood — see #6. (Not that the rocks are young, but that the features they form, are new, geologically speaking. What do we see? We observe crisp, well-defined features! If these mountains were millions of years old, we would see weathered, rounded features, due to the extreme wind and other erosion forces that they constantly endure. But we don’t! (This evidence is the easiest of all the geological facts to see...yet to me the most overlooked.)

6.[related to #5]The marine creatures discovered on the tops of many mountain ranges, even on Mt. Everest — gigantic clams, some measuring 5 feet or more across, found in the closed position, indicating (again) that these creatures experienced a catastrophic event, leading to their quick death. (Clams in natural death, die w/ their shells open.) All remain exposed....if they’re millions of years old, why aren’t they eroded, also? Because these particular ones died at the Flood!!

7.Where did all the water go? Apparently, it’s still here, at the Earth. If we again take into account what Psalms 104 reveals — that it was the Flood that caused our current topography, the very high mountains and low valleys, then the Earth’s terrain was somewhat smoother than now. (And Genesis tells us, the highest mountain was covered by around 22 ft. of the water.) It’s been determined that if the Earth was smoothed out like a billiard ball, the present water in all the ocean and lake basins would cover the planet to a depth of 2.5 miles! More than enough.....yet, scientists have discovered even more water in the Earth’s mantle, estimated to be almost 10 times as much as exists on our surface! So, that presents no obstacle!

8.The Chinese character for "boat" comprises three radically different symbols: 'vessel', 'mouth' (representing a person), and the number ''8'. Why is this significant? Because there were 8 people who survived the Flood in the Ark. Some ancient Semitic person thought the Flood Event was worthy enough, to incorporate it into their language, helping others to remember the Chinese word for boat. They didn't have a Bible to get the idea from, and I doubt Moses knew any Chinese people, to get his writing from!

Are you of the mindset that, when reading about God causing a global Flood, you don’t think He’d use His power throughout other aspects of the event? Or afterwards? Does Jehovah God have to reveal / explain everything He does?


I’ve presented a lot of evidence. Are you open-minded enough, to consider it now?

It looks like the part of the pdf article about the massive animal extinction event all reference a single book, is that correct?