Riders
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I always get into talking about Christians in 12 Step philosophy while talking about any of this but I would like to look at theology.
Free will teaches that we have the free will and are sinners as everyone have free will to accept Jesus. Those do not believe behavior or good deeds affect it say you can be a murderer or a child molester and its only free will and only choosing Jesus can get you to heaven.
You go to hell if you don't.But the problem is people addicted to sins who come to Jesus are forgiven and the church says their life is new and perfect over night so, hey go out and preach the word . So of you have 2 days of sobriety from gambling sex and alcoholic praise God your life is new!
So I am at AA and one of my child hood friends came to me 3 years ago who had a week of sobriety needed a ride to AA. So i talked to my sponsor about it he said it was ok but don't hang with her because she does not have sobriety,
The next day were at a meeting and shes talking about celebrate recovery the Christian church version of AA and her friends are there and she was telling them God had sent her there to preach and minster to me sense shes getting a ministry and they all agreed and told me to listen to her. I have her ride home and she asked for a donation I said no.
But here she i totally messed up in the head barely sober and telling me I needed to follow her and be ministered to by her why because she has been set free praise God! Her sins are forgiven forget about the fact that she still has the addiction in her system and shell probably be drunk next week oh well!
The church teaches your a new creature as soon as you get saved, work can not save you so if your on heroin forget it get saved get well and preach the gospel even if you still have heroin in you! The whole thing to me says that you can be messed up addicted to sins and leading a bad lifestyle and be saved!
But I say to Christians I expect y'all to lead a good or Godly lifestyle and they say we are not perfect, why expect us to be perfect. Eve jesus was tempted.
But if your telling me I am going to hell by not being a member of you religion it means your religion is pretty much perfect and has all the answers so, yea I expect Christians to be leading a good healthy life style and I do not see it.
Here's another example. A woman who weighed over 500 pounds on facebook in my sisters group of friends had fungus on her legs something dangerous that could make her loose her leg, I never heard from her again and I wonder about that,
She decided to go health and eat mostly vegetarian and mostly vegetables.She wrote her diet down on facebook and made a point to say God had given her directions of the exact perfect healthy natural way he wanted her to live by eating natural stuff and that she would be healed naturally by God and had decided not to get surgery like the Dr told her too.
She further said God told her she had a ministry for Jesus and was there on facebook to witness to people like me the good news of Jesus and to teach people about health and a ministry for Jesus and how to live.
she wanted m to talk to her and read her stuff she rote down her menu and after a couple of months actually gained weight. I could see her weight gain in her plan, she ate nuts smoothies with fruit juice, fruit,whole wheat breads honey yikes she bragged about raw honey, that'll make you gain a ton of weight!
At her weight she should probably be on a stricter diet then me, I can not eat honey or smoothies or fruit juice and only 2 fruits a day. If you weigh 500 pounds wild honey fruit juice and smoothies will kill you let alone the nuts and peanuts she ate.
Anyways point is she was messed up telling me she needed to minster to me when I was what 150 to 200 pounds lighter then her? I should be ministering to her. That was 2 years ago I have lost more weight.
Its just an example,my sisters saw her as a converted born again Christian and that's the credentials a lot of Christians require for any ministry like that and its bs.
They teach and believe that's all you need to be a witness be Christian and be saved!The bible says anyone who confesses Christ is a new born creature in Christ!Its a magic pill become Christian and your problems disappear over night.
Therefore a person can be completely messed up like that 500 pound woman and trying to instruct people on how to live! It doesn't work for me if anyone fro any religion at all not just the Christian religion but anyone from any religion wants to be a witness to me they need to have a clean disciplined lifestyle!
Free will teaches that we have the free will and are sinners as everyone have free will to accept Jesus. Those do not believe behavior or good deeds affect it say you can be a murderer or a child molester and its only free will and only choosing Jesus can get you to heaven.
You go to hell if you don't.But the problem is people addicted to sins who come to Jesus are forgiven and the church says their life is new and perfect over night so, hey go out and preach the word . So of you have 2 days of sobriety from gambling sex and alcoholic praise God your life is new!
So I am at AA and one of my child hood friends came to me 3 years ago who had a week of sobriety needed a ride to AA. So i talked to my sponsor about it he said it was ok but don't hang with her because she does not have sobriety,
The next day were at a meeting and shes talking about celebrate recovery the Christian church version of AA and her friends are there and she was telling them God had sent her there to preach and minster to me sense shes getting a ministry and they all agreed and told me to listen to her. I have her ride home and she asked for a donation I said no.
But here she i totally messed up in the head barely sober and telling me I needed to follow her and be ministered to by her why because she has been set free praise God! Her sins are forgiven forget about the fact that she still has the addiction in her system and shell probably be drunk next week oh well!
The church teaches your a new creature as soon as you get saved, work can not save you so if your on heroin forget it get saved get well and preach the gospel even if you still have heroin in you! The whole thing to me says that you can be messed up addicted to sins and leading a bad lifestyle and be saved!
But I say to Christians I expect y'all to lead a good or Godly lifestyle and they say we are not perfect, why expect us to be perfect. Eve jesus was tempted.
But if your telling me I am going to hell by not being a member of you religion it means your religion is pretty much perfect and has all the answers so, yea I expect Christians to be leading a good healthy life style and I do not see it.
Here's another example. A woman who weighed over 500 pounds on facebook in my sisters group of friends had fungus on her legs something dangerous that could make her loose her leg, I never heard from her again and I wonder about that,
She decided to go health and eat mostly vegetarian and mostly vegetables.She wrote her diet down on facebook and made a point to say God had given her directions of the exact perfect healthy natural way he wanted her to live by eating natural stuff and that she would be healed naturally by God and had decided not to get surgery like the Dr told her too.
She further said God told her she had a ministry for Jesus and was there on facebook to witness to people like me the good news of Jesus and to teach people about health and a ministry for Jesus and how to live.
she wanted m to talk to her and read her stuff she rote down her menu and after a couple of months actually gained weight. I could see her weight gain in her plan, she ate nuts smoothies with fruit juice, fruit,whole wheat breads honey yikes she bragged about raw honey, that'll make you gain a ton of weight!
At her weight she should probably be on a stricter diet then me, I can not eat honey or smoothies or fruit juice and only 2 fruits a day. If you weigh 500 pounds wild honey fruit juice and smoothies will kill you let alone the nuts and peanuts she ate.
Anyways point is she was messed up telling me she needed to minster to me when I was what 150 to 200 pounds lighter then her? I should be ministering to her. That was 2 years ago I have lost more weight.
Its just an example,my sisters saw her as a converted born again Christian and that's the credentials a lot of Christians require for any ministry like that and its bs.
They teach and believe that's all you need to be a witness be Christian and be saved!The bible says anyone who confesses Christ is a new born creature in Christ!Its a magic pill become Christian and your problems disappear over night.
Therefore a person can be completely messed up like that 500 pound woman and trying to instruct people on how to live! It doesn't work for me if anyone fro any religion at all not just the Christian religion but anyone from any religion wants to be a witness to me they need to have a clean disciplined lifestyle!