God's will is clear in the Bible?

[Spiderman]

Do you get thoroughly annoyed when Christians tell you things like "God's will for you is clear and everything you need to know is in the Bible."

No where does the bible say that about itself.

That's ridiculous! The Bible, God, and "Men of God", lead completely opposite examples.

God both broke some of the Commandments in the Ten Commandments and ordered his people to break the rules as well.

One of these Commandments was "thou shalt not kill " (which people say means Thou shalt not murder) and then God goes out murdering people including babies and asking Israelites to do the same thing.

God said "thou shall not make a Graven image", and then later commanded the Israelites to make graven images.

Scripture says God doesn't change in some places, and then says God changed his mind or felt sorry in others

God preaches love, including love your enemies, at one point in scripture, and then commits genocide in another part of scripture.

How can you people say that God's will is clear in the Bible?
In a book that has so many scripture verses that are opposite of other scripture verses, saying "God's will is clear in the Bible" is not even a topic of rational discussion.

Since men of God where sometimes mass murderers in scripture, should we try imitating them?

Should we imitate a god who destroys cities with fire and brimstone and drowns over 99. 9% of people?

If you hear a voice that tells you to kill people, that voice could be God after all. That was one of the examples God left.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Do you get thoroughly annoyed when Christians tell you things like "God's will for you is clear and everything you need to know is in the Bible."

No where does the bible say that about itself.

That's ridiculous! The Bible, God, and "Men of God", lead completely opposite examples.

God both broke some of the Commandments in the Ten Commandments and ordered his people to break the rules as well.

One of these Commandments was "thou shalt not kill " (which people say means Thou shalt not murder) and then God goes out murdering people including babies and asking Israelites to do the same thing.

God said "thou shall not make a Graven image", and then later commanded the Israelites to make graven images.

Scripture says God doesn't change in some places, and then says God changed his mind or felt sorry in others

God preaches love, including love your enemies, at one point in scripture, and then commits genocide in another part of scripture.

How can you people say that God's will is clear in the Bible?
In a book that has so many scripture verses that are opposite of other scripture verses, saying "God's will is clear in the Bible" is not even a topic of rational discussion.

Since men of God where sometimes mass murderers in scripture, should we try imitating them?

Should we imitate a god who destroys cities with fire and brimstone and drowns over 99. 9% of people?

If you hear a voice that tells you to kill people, that voice could be God after all. That was one of the examples God left.

Actually have a difficult time telling Christians that it's not actually God's will, it's actually what somebody wrote about it being God's will.

 

[Spiderman]

And don't argue that God killed innocent children to put them out of their misery and prevent them from having a worse fate. God could give them healthy minds and hearts and provide for them.

God didn't kill figures like Adolf Hitler when they were babies. If all those people were put to death for the greater good, God could have prevented them from being born in the first place.

God could continue killing all those wicked people in our present age and he's not doing it.

It sounds to me like the authors who wrote much of scripture were simply using God as an excuse to commit some of the worst atrocities.

They appear to have decided that their God was better than other gods and used their God as an excuse for going forth and destroying other cultures and the spirituality that others cherished.

Interesting that once we live in an age where such behavior is frowned upon, God no longer raises up miraculous Prophets to justify such behavior.

It was not considered mental illness or crimes against humanity back then, so it was easier for people to commit such acts and claim God said to do it.

 

[Cooky]

It's best for most people to stay clear of the old testament. It was translated during an age when people were different.

 

[`mud]

hey Landon,
Some of us grew up !

 

[`mud]

This thread is getting so close to non-theist, isn't it ?
Where'd I put that `A`

 

[Spiderman]

This thread is getting so close to non-theist, isn't it ?
Where'd I put that `A`

With your help, I seem to be growing

 

[Cooky]

hey Landon,
Some of us grew up !

You mean you've been trained extensively. Sounds intriguing.

 

[houseofcantor]

What are you even on about?
In Job, sure - god says "yer ****ed"
In Ecclesiastes, sure - i"t's all eat, drink,and be merry; for tomorrow you die"
The rest of the Bible ain't worth a **** so...
Can one swear here, btw?

 

[`mud]

Yaaa...the cross on my forehead fell off years ago !
And I quit smoking also, now beer ?

 

[`mud]

One can get away with crap and pi$$, but any more ???

 

[Spiderman]

What are you even on about?
In Job, sure - god says "yer ****ed"
In Ecclesiastes, sure - i"t's all eat, drink,and be merry; for tomorrow you die"
The rest of the Bible ain't worth a **** so...
Can one swear here, btw?

Christian's on average don't seem to get it. They use the Bible to condemn behaviors they don't like, while none of them actually follow the Bible.

They pick and choose what they want.

 

[74x12]

Do you get thoroughly annoyed when Christians tell you things like "God's will for you is clear and everything you need to know is in the Bible."

Jesus spoke in parables and expounded them to His closest disciples. If people want to understand the scriptures they can but only with God's help.

 

[Cooky]

Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.

 

[houseofcantor]

Jesus spoke in parables and expounded them to His closest disciples. If people want to understand the scriptures they can but only with God's help.

It's one of those "careful what you wish for" things. I'm a prophet, but to be a prophet one must be insane. Who wants to go there?

 

[stvdv]

Thou shalt not murder) and then God goes out murdering people including babies

You should use your discrimination a bit more here IMO. Don't believe blind what the Bible says here about "God killing"

The Church wanted control, from the very start (Roman Empire was all about Control)

If you know this, then 1+1 = 2

God never killed anyone. People killed. It was just a simple power game IMO

AND the Church found the perfect way to instill fear in the people by telling "God will kill you if you don't follow the rules of the Church"
[A good trick indeed. After 2000 years the Church it's power game is obvious, but you still fall for it, and believe God did the killings]

 

[lioncub1503]

@stvdv that’s why I’m not part of the main “Christianity” To be honest, what some of the Churches do with fear and hell, saying that people will be punished forever in toument, is makes me sad because God is loving, and the wage sin pays is death not everlasting fire.


“And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations” -Matthew 24:14

God’s will?

Also, personally, I don’t see any opposites in the bible, infact I think the harmony quite amazing for over 40 different writers at different times, not contradicting each other at all. If you were genuinely interested, I would be happy to explain my views of any scriptures if you say specific ones. They must be looked at in context.

Other points have been mentioned, but about making the graven images, I don’t recall the Israelites being commanded to do this. They did make a golden calf and worship it, but were very severely punished in this instance. On the other hand, God told them to create two arc angels for the tabernacle, if this is what you are meaning? Definition of graven image: “a carved idol or representation of a god used as an object of worship.” -dictionary. The angels are clearly not God, and are not even just an interpretation or representation of God, and were not worshiped at any point. The point of an idol is something that someone treat someone like a God, therefore viewing it like or representing a God with worship. Were you referring to another senareo?

 

[Cooky]

@stvdv that’s why I’m not part of the main “Christianity” To be honest, what some of the Churches do with fear and hell, saying that people will be punished forever in toument, is makes me sad because God is loving, and the wage sin pays is death not everlasting fire.


“And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations” -Matthew 24:14

God’s will?

Also, personally, I don’t see any opposites in the bible, infact I think the harmony quite amazing for over 40 different writers at different times, not contradicting each other at all. If you were genuinely interested, I would be happy to explain my views of any scriptures if you say specific ones. They must be looked at in context.

Other points have been mentioned, but about making the graven images, I don’t recall the Israelites being commanded to do this. They did make a golden calf and worship it, but were very severely punished in this instance. On the other hand, God told them to create two arc angels for the tabernacle, if this is what you are meaning? Definition of graven image: “a carved idol or representation of a god used as an object of worship.” -dictionary. The angels are clearly not God, and are not even just an interpretation or representation of God, and were not worshiped at any point. The point of an idol is something that someone treat someone like a God, therefore viewing it like or representing a God with worship. Were you referring to another senareo?

Oooh, come on. If hell was that bad, how do you figure Jesus and the OT Saints were all down there.

Just the deepest pits of hell, for the most evil of evil is absolute torture.

 

[lioncub1503]

Oooh, come on. If hell was that bad, how do you figure Jesus and the OT Saints were all down there.

Just the deepest pits of hell, for the most evil of evil is absolute torture.

Oh uh ok, I don’t really get you. We don’t believe in Hell, so we don’t think that anyone was there. We also don’t believe in saints
Well, in a way we do, it mentions Jacob and others being in Sheol, I.e. Hell, meaning the common grave of mankind. They were good though, and only bad people go to Hell, isn’t that what you believe? How come Jesus went to Hell then? He was perfect, and never sinned, therefore couldn’t have gone there. The wage sin pays is death, and he didn’t sin, and even it he did, it mentions death not eternal torment in Hell. Also, don’t you believe that he is God? How can God go to hell? That is something I am actually quite curious about.

Anyhow, are you saying that you believe that there is different degrees of hell? I haven’t heard that before, unless I misunderstood, but that’s quite interesting.

 

[Spiderman]

Oh uh ok, I don’t really get you. We don’t believe in Hell, so we don’t think that anyone was there. We also don’t believe in saints
Well, in a way we do, it mentions Jacob and others being in Sheol, I.e. Hell, meaning the common grave of mankind. They were good though, and only bad people go to Hell, isn’t that what you believe? How come Jesus went to Hell then? He was perfect, and never sinned, therefore couldn’t have gone there. The wage sin pays is death, and he didn’t sin, and even it he did, it mentions death not eternal torment in Hell. Also, don’t you believe that he is God? How can God go to hell? That is something I am actually quite curious about.

Anyhow, are you saying that you believe that there is different degrees of hell? I haven’t heard that before, unless I misunderstood, but that’s quite interesting.

If hell does indeed exist, God can go there because he can go anywhere that he creates. God is omnipresent which would mean he's present in hell as well.