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Who are the real Children of Israel?

Tazarah

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a quick question about those curses (and by the way, the Jerusalem Talmud answers about the yoke thing though I don't see reference to ships in that section) -- if you believe that any group has undergone what is literally listed there then by definition, that group no longer exists because the curse says that it will happen "until He has wiped you out." So what group did you have in mind which has been wiped out but still exists, or do you not understand that phrase literally?

When it says destroyed it means destroyed mentally, and as a nation. Obviously they are not destroyed as in “wiped out” because God says that the Israelites will never cease to exist. Do you mean to tell me that the Israelites were wiped out and no longer exist? According to your logic, the Israelites no longer exist and were completely eradicated. Perhaps you are the one who does not understand the phrase?

Also, Deuteronomy 28:45-46 says that the curses will be upon the Israelites and their seed forever as punishment. How can the curses be upon them and their seed forever if they were wiped out?
 

rosends

Well-Known Member
When it says destroyed it means destroyed mentally, and as a nation. Obviously they are not destroyed as in “wiped out” because God says that the Israelites will never cease to exist. Do you mean to tell me that the Israelites were wiped out and no longer exist? According to your logic, the Israelites no longer exist and were completely eradicated. Perhaps you are the one who does not understand the phrase?
No, I'm not the one who keeps asking about the application of the phrases literally. You keep asking about when something very literal actually happened and yet for this phrase, you look at it metaphorically. That seems selectively convenient of you. But whatever floats your nonexistent ship...
 

Tazarah

Well-Known Member
No, I'm not the one who keeps asking about the application of the phrases literally. You keep asking about when something very literal actually happened and yet for this phrase, you look at it metaphorically. That seems selectively convenient of you. But whatever floats your nonexistent ship...

OK well let’s play it your way, and let’s say it actually means they were destroyed and wiped out. When in history have the people in israel who are claiming to be jews ever had yokes of iron upon their necks, and been destroyed/wiped out?

See how your logic makes zero sense? You lose either way. People like you would rather play games and BS with nonsense than accept the truth and facts for what they are. Regardless, I don’t have a problem with it, the scriptures speak for themselves and nobody except for negroes fit the prophetic curses of deuteronomy 28 word for word.
 

rosends

Well-Known Member
OK well let’s play it your way, and let’s say it actually means they were destroyed and wiped out. When in history have the people in israel who are claiming to be jews ever had yokes of iron upon their necks, and been destroyed/wiped out?

See how your logic makes zero sense? You lose either way. People like you would rather play games and BS with nonsense than accept the truth and facts for what they are. Regardless, I don’t have a problem with it, the scriptures speak for themselves and nobody except for negroes fit the prophetic curses of deuteronomy 28 word for word.
Let's play it your way -- the text is metaphorical. Well, in that case, the "all countries" is metaphorical. The yoke is metaphorical. Any part that I want to say is metaphorical is metaphorical, so it can apply to other groups because there is no expectation of literal application. You lose. Either no one fits the prophecies, or more than one group does. You should really consider the end result of your logical line of thinking. You would rather selectively apply things to get to the result you want than think clearly about things. Your choice. I'm going to sleep. Write more -- I'll giggle about it in the morning.
 

Tazarah

Well-Known Member
Let's play it your way -- the text is metaphorical. Well, in that case, the "all countries" is metaphorical. The yoke is metaphorical. Any part that I want to say is metaphorical is metaphorical, so it can apply to other groups because there is no expectation of literal application. You lose. Either no one fits the prophecies, or more than one group does. You should really consider the end result of your logical line of thinking. You would rather selectively apply things to get to the result you want than think clearly about things. Your choice. I'm going to sleep. Write more -- I'll giggle about it in the morning.

OK, so all of this is metaphorical too, right?

“Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee:
And they shall be upon thee for a SIGN and for a wonder, and upon thy seed FOR EVER.” [Deuteronomy 28:45-46]

“And thou shalt grope at noonday, as the blind gropeth in darkness, and thou shalt not prosper in thy ways: and thou shalt be only OPPRESSED and spoiled EVERMORE, and no man shall save thee.” [Deuteronomy 28:29]

“Thou shalt betroth a wife, and another man shall lie with her: thou shalt build an house, and thou shalt not dwell therein: thou shalt plant a vineyard, and shalt not gather the grapes thereof.” [Deuteronomy 28:30]

“Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, and thine eyes shall look, and fail with longing for them all the day long: and there shall be no might in thine hand:” [Deuteronomy 28:32]

“The fruit of thy land, and all thy labours, shall a nation which thou knowest not eat up; and thou shalt be only OPPRESSED and crushed ALWAY:” [Deuteronomy 28:33]

“And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among all nations whither the LORD shall lead thee.” [Deuteronomy 28:37]

“Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity.” [Deuteronomy 28:41]

^ those are all metaphorical, right? LMAO. It’s sooo hilarious how literally all of you run off to “sleep” once you get cut with the truth.

Is this also a metaphorical prophecy?

And thou, even thyself, shalt discontinue from thine heritage that I gave thee; and I will cause thee to serve thine enemies in the land which thou knowest not: for ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn FOR EVER.” [Jeremiah 17:4]

Let me guess, Luke 21:24 metaphorical too, right?

“And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away CAPTIVE into ALL nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.” [Luke 21:24]

^ is that metaphorical too? Hahahaha.

Who else, if not negroes, do each of these prophetic curses apply to? What nation of people other than negroes are forever OPPRESSED and crushed ALWAYS like the scriptures say? What group of people other than negroes have been led captive into ALL nations?

Metaphorical or not, WHO can relate to these “metaphorical”, prophetic curses of DEUTERONOMY 28???

You know that you’re full of it and that’s why you pathetically claim that it’s all “metaphorical”.

LOL.

Goodnight “sleepyhead”! Trust me when I say that you won’t be giggling anywhere near as hard as I am right now!
 
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Tumah

Veteran Member
You have an excuse for everything.
These are not excuses, they are answers for why you are wrong.

Genesis and Acts is not talking about egypt — the Israelites were not strangers in egypt.
Have you seen Deut. 10:19?

I have shown you in deuteronomy where it says that the Israelites would be scattered among ALL people, to one end of the earth even unto the other.
This is, I believe, the first time you are mentioning being scattered. However it is common knowledge that Jews of the diaspora can be found in countries all over the world.

For some reason you keep lying and saying that Luke 21:24 doesn’t say ALL nations when it clearly does.


“And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.” [Luke 21:24]

^ anybody with two eyes and a working brain can see that it says they will be led captive into ALL nations...
I have not even one time said that it didn't say "all nations". In fact, before I even responded to you last, I looked it up in the Aramaic Pe****ta to verify and I agree, it definitely does say it. I only said that this was not a prophecy.

So you say the book of Luke isn’t God’s word? Then you say that it isn’t prophecy, but that it’s “supposed to be prophecy”?
Yes, that's right. The book of Luke isn't G-d's word. The author was a liar and fabricated prophecies by writing about things that had already happened and ret-conning them into the mouths of people who had lived before the events.

Where are you getting all of this nonsense from? You’re like a little child trying to convince grown adults to believe in lies that make absolutely zero sense.
Hey! Don't blame me if you're not smart enough to understand such simple ideas!

Regardless of whatever nonsense you come up with, The “jews” in israel have not fulfilled ANY israelite prophecy. And the facts remain the same, so get over it.
You have not come even close to proving that as I've already disproved all the verses you've brought to the table. You're wrong and it's time to accept that.

First you come to this thread trying to fit the fake jews into prophecy, but then once you get shut down in every direction that you come from,
Shut down from every direction? I've knocked out every proof you've brought. You have nothing and you're trying to make up for it with bluster. Bluster doesn't win any arguments.

you then start to lie and claim that the bible isn’t God’s word or that prophecy isn’t prophecy.
Let me broaden your horizons: Jews don't believe in the NT. That's a feature of the Jewish people. You can see that even in the NT - the Pharisees never accepted Jesus and we certainly didn't accept the authors who wrote the NT as can be clearly seen from the NT itself. Let me teach you some history. The early Christian Jews eventually split off from the wider Jewish community and were subsumed by the much larger gentile population. After the destruction of the Temple, the Saducees who were the largest sect after the Pharisees basically disappeared as they were mostly Priests and Priests without a Temple don't have a lot going on. The Hellenized Jews naturally either completely assimilated into Greek/Roman culture or switched allegiances. The Pharisees were the only Jewish sect to survive and thrive. And like all other non-Christian Jewish sects, we don't believe in the Christian NT.

The reason why you do believe in it, is because about 100 years ago some Chrristian pastor woke up one morning and decided to teach his congregation that Black people are really Hebrew people. Since he was originally a Christian, he didn't give up on his Christian faith and just changed the subject of the Christian Bible from "them Jews" to "us Jews". But there is literally no historical continuity with such a claim.

LMAO!

Luke 21:24 is Jesus himself, speaking and prophesying.
No it isn't. By the time the book of Luke was written, he was long dead.

Your problem is that you can’t come up with any BS as to why they don’t fulfill any of the prophecy so your next tactic is to lie and say that scripture isn’t God’s word or that scripture isn’t prophecy.
That's not what happened. First I proved that any real prophecies can easily be understood to be about the Jews. Then I explained that prophecies from the NT aren't real prophecies because the NT is a book of lies.

What hyprocritical joke you are. You even have a photo of a bible as your display icon, yet you have somehow come to the conclusion that the bible is not God’s word, and that bible prophecy is not prophecy. I guess the bible is not God’s word and prophecy is not prophecy only when it fails further your narrative, right?
I do not think you know what a hypocrite or a Jew is.
Jews don't believe in the Christian NT. We believe in the Tanach. The particular scroll you see in my avatar is a Scribe writing a Torah scroll. Jews believe in the Jewish Bible. We don't believe in the Christian one. I don't even get how you can come to this forum without even that bit of knowledge.

I smell a fake jew!
I smell an ignorant fool.

The bible does call you guys the synagogue of satan, thank you for exposing yourself as what you truly are.
The Christian Bible also says that we sit in Moses' seat and you should practice what we say.

“I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.” [Revelation 2:9]
As I mentioned before, I think you will have some contradictions between your books if you claim that the passage here is meant to be taken literally. I'm pretty sure the rest of your books talk about Jesus being sent to the Jews and those Jews were not accepting him. But I'll leave that for the Christian scholars here as I have very little familiarity with the NT.
 

Tazarah

Well-Known Member
These are not excuses, they are answers for why you are wrong.


Have you seen Deut. 10:19?


This is, I believe, the first time you are mentioning being scattered. However it is common knowledge that Jews of the diaspora can be found in countries all over the world.


I have not even one time said that it didn't say "all nations". In fact, before I even responded to you last, I looked it up in the Aramaic Pe****ta to verify and I agree, it definitely does say it. I only said that this was not a prophecy.


Yes, that's right. The book of Luke isn't G-d's word. The author was a liar and fabricated prophecies by writing about things that had already happened and ret-conning them into the mouths of people who had lived before the events.


Hey! Don't blame me if you're not smart enough to understand such simple ideas!


You have not come even close to proving that as I've already disproved all the verses you've brought to the table. You're wrong and it's time to accept that.


Shut down from every direction? I've knocked out every proof you've brought. You have nothing and you're trying to make up for it with bluster. Bluster doesn't win any arguments.


Let me broaden your horizons: Jews don't believe in the NT. That's a feature of the Jewish people. You can see that even in the NT - the Pharisees never accepted Jesus and we certainly didn't accept the authors who wrote the NT as can be clearly seen from the NT itself. Let me teach you some history. The early Christian Jews eventually split off from the wider Jewish community and were subsumed by the much larger gentile population. After the destruction of the Temple, the Saducees who were the largest sect after the Pharisees basically disappeared as they were mostly Priests and Priests without a Temple don't have a lot going on. The Hellenized Jews naturally either completely assimilated into Greek/Roman culture or switched allegiances. The Pharisees were the only Jewish sect to survive and thrive. And like all other non-Christian Jewish sects, we don't believe in the Christian NT.

The reason why you do believe in it, is because about 100 years ago some Chrristian pastor woke up one morning and decided to teach his congregation that Black people are really Hebrew people. Since he was originally a Christian, he didn't give up on his Christian faith and just changed the subject of the Christian Bible from "them Jews" to "us Jews". But there is literally no historical continuity with such a claim.


No it isn't. By the time the book of Luke was written, he was long dead.


That's not what happened. First I proved that any real prophecies can easily be understood to be about the Jews. Then I explained that prophecies from the NT aren't real prophecies because the NT is a book of lies.


I do not think you know what a hypocrite or a Jew is.
Jews don't believe in the Christian NT. We believe in the Tanach. The particular scroll you see in my avatar is a Scribe writing a Torah scroll. Jews believe in the Jewish Bible. We don't believe in the Christian one. I don't even get how you can come to this forum without even that bit of knowledge.


I smell an ignorant fool.


The Christian Bible also says that we sit in Moses' seat and you should practice what we say.


As I mentioned before, I think you will have some contradictions between your books if you claim that the passage here is meant to be taken literally. I'm pretty sure the rest of your books talk about Jesus being sent to the Jews and those Jews were not accepting him. But I'll leave that for the Christian scholars here as I have very little familiarity with the NT.

OK, I see how you are trying to play. If I would have known that you were a “jew” from the get-go then I would have started off with the haymakers. I have dealt with many of your kind. I’m going to quit with the small talk and get straight to the point — the points/facts that you have been trying your absolute best to slither away from.

I already told you that the 400 years in Genesis 15:13 is not referring to egypt because the Israelites were in egypt for 430 years, have you seen Exodus 12:40-41? It clearly says 430 years, not 400. But I guess God made a mistake and got his numbers mixed up, right? That’s basically what you are saying.

Deuteronomy 28 is the OT. Why have none of your people fulfilled the prophetic curses that are supposed to be on the Israelites as a sign, for ever? Have you read all of deuteronomy 28, Deuteronomy 28:15-68 specifically?

It says the Israelites would be crushed and oppressed FOR EVER (Deuteronomy 28:45-46) that they would be sent into Egypt (bondage) again on ships (Deuteronomy 28:68), that they would have yokes of iron put around their necks and that they would serve their enemies in an unknown land (Deuteronomy 28:48). Jeremiah 17:4 also says that the Israelites would be forced to serve their enemies in a land that they DO NOT KNOW (this eliminates egypt because the egyptian captivity had already happened), and that they would also be discontinued from their heritage. When has any of this ever happened to your people?

And oh, how could I forget this one, you are going to love this one — the bible also says that God HIMSELF is going to place the jews in Israel when he returns, and that once the real jews are back in their land there will be peace and no more war (Isaiah 2:1-4).

^ Why is there no peace in Jerusalem and why is there still war? When did God return and judge the nations? When did ANY of what Isaiah 2:1-4 talks about happen?

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Tumah

Veteran Member
OK, I see how you are trying to play. If I would have known that you were a “jew” from the get-go
You mean if you would have read the area where it says "religion" in the box on the top right of everyone's comments boxes?

then I would have started off with the haymakers.
If this post is the best you can do, hay is probably the best you can make.

I have dealt with many of your kind. I’m going to quit with the small talk and get straight to the point — the points/facts that you have been trying your absolute best to slither away from.
I'm not sure you're as in touch with reality as you think you are...

I already told you that the 400 years in Genesis 15:13 is not referring to egypt because the Israelites were in egypt for 430 years, have you seen Exodus 12:40-41? It clearly says 430 years, not 400. But I guess God made a mistake and got his numbers mixed up, right? That’s basically what you are saying.
Nope. If you actually read Exodus 12:40-41 you'll notice that it doesn't say "four hundred and thirty years" what it literally says is "four hundred years and thirty years" as though it is counting two sets of times.

Deuteronomy 28 is the OT. Why have none of your people fulfilled the prophetic curses that are supposed to be on the Israelites as a sign, for ever? Have you read all of deuteronomy 28, Deuteronomy 28:15-68 specifically?
You have to be joking, right? We've been discussing this chapter, this entire time.

It says the Israelites would be crushed and oppressed FOR EVER (Deuteronomy 28:45-46)
No it doesn't. It says that these would be a sign forever. The sign is, if we don't listen to G-d, we will get cursed. That means if we do listen to G-d, we won't be cursed. It's situation dependent, not a permanent state.

that they would be sent into Egypt (bondage) again on ships (Deuteronomy 28:68),
It doesn't say that they will be sent to Egypt into bondage. It says that they will be sent to Egypt and there we will sell ourselves in servitude. There was a huge diaspora of Jews in Egypt. Eventually they were all killed during the Kitos war in 115 CE.

that they would have yokes of iron put around their necks and that they would serve their enemies in an unknown land (Deuteronomy 28:48).
Yes, this happened for about 500 years after the Second Temple was destroyed.

Jeremiah 17:4 also says that the Israelites would be forced to serve their enemies in a land that they DO NOT KNOW (this eliminates egypt because the egyptian captivity had already happened), and that they would also be discontinued from their heritage. When has any of this ever happened to your people?
This is from Jeremiah and earlier in the chapter he mentions the kingdom of Judah, so that would place this prophecy as occurring after the destruction of the First Temple when we were exiled out of the land of our inheritance (see ie. Num. 34:2) to Babylon.

And oh, how could I forget this one, you are going to love this one — the bible also says that God HIMSELF is going to place the jews in Israel when he returns, and that once the real jews are back in their land there will be peace and no more war (Isaiah 2:1-4).
Isaiah 2:1-4 does not say any of that.

^ Why is there no peace in Jerusalem and why is there still war?
Because the redemption has not yet occured.

When did God return and judge the nations? When did ANY of what Isaiah 2:1-4 talks about happen?
None of it happened yet, because this is a Messianic prophecy and the Messiah has not yet appeared.[/quote]
 

Tazarah

Well-Known Member
You mean if you would have read the area where it says "religion" in the box on the top right of everyone's comments boxes?


If this post is the best you can do, hay is probably the best you can make.


I'm not sure you're as in touch with reality as you think you are...


Nope. If you actually read Exodus 12:40-41 you'll notice that it doesn't say "four hundred and thirty years" what it literally says is "four hundred years and thirty years" as though it is counting two sets of times.


You have to be joking, right? We've been discussing this chapter, this entire time.


No it doesn't. It says that these would be a sign forever. The sign is, if we don't listen to G-d, we will get cursed. That means if we do listen to G-d, we won't be cursed. It's situation dependent, not a permanent state.


It doesn't say that they will be sent to Egypt into bondage. It says that they will be sent to Egypt and there we will sell ourselves in servitude. There was a huge diaspora of Jews in Egypt. Eventually they were all killed during the Kitos war in 115 CE.


Yes, this happened for about 500 years after the Second Temple was destroyed.


This is from Jeremiah and earlier in the chapter he mentions the kingdom of Judah, so that would place this prophecy as occurring after the destruction of the First Temple when we were exiled out of the land of our inheritance (see ie. Num. 34:2) to Babylon.


Isaiah 2:1-4 does not say any of that.


Because the redemption has not yet occured.


None of it happened yet, because this is a Messianic prophecy and the Messiah has not yet appeared.
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It says 430 years. Four hundred and thirty is how you spell 430. When you write a check to somebody, you write “four hundred and thirty”, not four hundred thirty.

You are so full of it.

Egypt means bondage, buddy.

Exodus 20:2 and Deuteronomy 5:6 prove this.

You people were never slaves on ships. You can twist scripture all you want but when were your people ever slaves on ships??? You keep ignoring that question. WHEN in documented history have YOUR people (european converted jews) ever been slaves on ships or had yokes of iron around their necks? Show me that in history. You can’t. You people are liars.

You are not an israelite, even your own people admit it.

“The 1973 Jewish Encyclopedia documents that approximately 90% of the world’s so-called Jews are Khazar.

A. N. Poliak, Professor of Medieval Jewish History at Tel Aviv University, says that the majority of Eastern European Jews are Khazar and Japhetic in origin, not Semitic. Immigration statistics indicate approximately 90% of the world’s so-called or self-styled ‘Jews’ living in 42 countries of the world are emigrants of Eastern European Khazar Jews.”

You mean to tell me that you people went and blended in with the black african ancient egyptians? And Moses was white but pharoah thought he was an egyptian?

LMAO!!!!!!

The lies no longer work, accept who you truly are. The world is waking up. None of your people match bible prophecy.

The curses in Deuteronomy 28:15-68 say that the Israelites would be crushed and oppressed forever — you people are neither. You don’t relate to any of the curses.

You are nothing more than a descendant of converted eastern europeans.

You are not and never will be an Israelite.

God knows who his people are and what they look like.

“Are ye not as children of the ETHIOPIANS unto me, O children of Israel? saith the LORD. Have not I brought up Israel out of the land of Egypt? and the Philistines from Caphtor, and the Syrians from Kir?” [Amos 9:7]
 
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Tumah

Veteran Member

It says 430 years. Four hundred and thiry is how you spell 430.
Yes, "four hundred and thirty" is how you spell 430. "Four hundred years and thirty years" is how you spell 400 years and 30 years and that's what the verse actually says. Glad we cleared that up.

Egypt means bondage, buddy.
No, Egypt is the name of a country.

Your people were never slaves on ships.
There is no verse in Deuteronomy that says anyone would be slaves on ships.

You can twist scripture all you want but when were your people ever slaves on ships??? Show me that in history. Lmfao. Don’t worry, I’ll wait.
I mean, slaves were generally shipped by ship, in chains. Especially when we're talking about Rome which is across the Mediterranean Sea. It seems pretty obvious that ship would be the method of transport in that case. Actually the Talmud has a story about 400 kids that were captured and shipped to Rome, but chose to jump ship rather than be forced to perform immoral acts by the Romans. But of course I'm only humoring you because as mentioned previously, there are no verses in Deut. 28 that say anything about being slaves on ships.
 

Tazarah

Well-Known Member
Yes, "four hundred and thirty" is how you spell 430. "Four hundred years and thirty years" is how you spell 400 years and 30 years and that's what the verse actually says. Glad we cleared that up.


No, Egypt is the name of a country.


There is no verse in Deuteronomy that says anyone would be slaves on ships.


I mean, slaves were generally shipped by ship, in chains. Especially when we're talking about Rome which is across the Mediterranean Sea. It seems pretty obvious that ship would be the method of transport in that case. Actually the Talmud has a story about 400 kids that were captured and shipped to Rome, but chose to jump ship rather than be forced to perform immoral acts by the Romans. But of course I'm only humoring you because as mentioned previously, there are no verses in Deut. 28 that say anything about being slaves on ships.
The talmud LOL!!!!!!!!!

Deuteronomy 28:48 — you people never had yokes of iron around your necks, and you people were never sent anywhere on ships. This is a fact. Show me in history. Documented history. When did it happen to european converted jews? Never.

Deuteronomy 28:68 — you people were never sent anywhere on ships, this is a fact. Show me in documented history. You can’t, because it never happened to european converts.

You people have NEVER served enemies in an unknown land.

Even your own people admit that you are fakes. Quit with the lies.


“The 1973 Jewish Encyclopedia documents that approximately 90% of the world’s so-called Jews are Khazar.

A. N. Poliak, Professor of Medieval Jewish History at Tel Aviv University, says that the majority of Eastern European Jews are Khazar and Japhetic in origin, not Semitic. Immigration statistics indicate approximately 90% of the world’s so-called or self-styled ‘Jews’ living in 42 countries of the world are emigrants of Eastern European Khazar Jews.”

The jig is up. The ancient egyptians and the ancient israelites were nearly identical. Paul was mistaken as being an egyptian, Moses was raised by pharoah and pharoah’s daughter, God always sent the israelites into egypt to hide whenever their enemies were after them. It is a known fact that the ancient egyptians were BLACK africans. The ancient hebrews were also black.

Anybody who reads the bible knows that the jews fled into africa before being dispersed. Your people did NOT come out of africa — they came out of europe.

The lies no longer work, the world is waking up. Accept who you truly are.
 

Tumah

Veteran Member
The talmud LOL!!!!!!!!!
Yes?

Deuteronomy 28:48 — you people never had yokes of iron around your necks, and you people were never sent anywhere on ships. This is a fact. Show me in history. Documented history. When did it happen to european converted jews? Never.

Deuteronomy 28:68 — you people were never sent anywhere on ships, this is a fact. Show me in documented history. You can’t, because it never happened to european converts.

You people have NEVER served enemies in an unknown land.

Even your own people admit that you are fakes. Quit with the lies.
In order to understand the legal aspects of the expulsions of Jews from Rome during the first century C.E. we need to know something about the civic status of those Jews. Philo says that the Jews of Rome were mostly slaves who had become Roman citizens after manumission.[10]

This seems to be fairly close to the truth. Jews may have reached Rome as early as the middle of the second century B.C.E.[11]

Whether they arrived there as free peregrini or whether they descended from manumitted slaves who had first reached Rome through the slave markets of the eastern Mediterranean (such as Delos) it is impossible to tell.[12]

After Pompey’s victories of 63 B.C.E. in Syria and Palestine, new Jewish slaves were brought in, this time directly from Palestine. We do not know how many of these prisoners of war actually reached Italy or what percentage of them ended up as slaves in the city of Rome.[13] What is clear, however, is that by the time of their arrival, a Jewish community was already well established in Rome. It must have counted free immigrants among its members as well as the many who were slaves or freedmen.

That a not inconsiderable number of Jews in Rome had become cives Romani by the time of Augustus can be inferred from their participation in the monthly doles;[14] exact figures, however, cannot be given. Not every slave of Jewish origin automatically became a Roman citizen upon manumission, since not all manumissions were formally carried out, that is testamento, vindicta, or censu. Informal manumission led, at least after 19 C.E., to a status inferior to that of the Roman citizen, namely to that of the Junian Latin.[15] Of course, such Latini luniani could become cives Romani, for example by serving in the police or by supplying Rome with corn for a period of time, but once more, it is not clear whether this was common or even whether achieving the status of Roman citizen was considered desirable[16]. Cicero remarks that prisoners of war should be freed after six years of slavery, but this cannot be taken to mean that Jewish (or non-Jewish) slaves were always quick to acquire their freedom.[17]

Roman Policy Towards the Jews | Printed_Matter


“The 1973 Jewish Encyclopedia documents that approximately 90% of the world’s so-called Jews are Khazar.
Can I get a link to that web page? When I google it, the only hits I get are from antisemitic websites. So would you just mind putting your money where your mouth is and getting me a link to that?

Not of course that I would accuse you of antisemitism.

A. N. Poliak, Professor of Medieval Jewish History at Tel Aviv University, says that the majority of Eastern European Jews are Khazar and Japhetic in origin, not Semitic. Immigration statistics indicate approximately 90% of the world’s so-called or self-styled ‘Jews’ living in 42 countries of the world are emigrants of Eastern European Khazar Jews.”
The problem is, European Jews only make up about 50% of the entire Jewish population. And we share genetic similarities with Jews from all other regions as well. So theory of that one guy aside, the genetics say otherwise.

The jig is up. The ancient egyptians and the ancient israelites were nearly identical. Paul was mistaken as being an egyptian, Moses was raised by pharoah and pharoah’s daughter, God always sent the israelites into egypt to hide whenever their enemies were after them. It is a known fact that the ancient egyptians were BLACK africans. The ancient hebrews were also black.
Wait, who told you that Egyptians were black like sub-Saharan Africans?

Ancient Egyptian race controversy - Wikipedia

Anybody who reads the bible knows that the jews fled into africa before being dispersed. Your people did NOT come out of africa — they came out of europe.
I don't know of anywhere where it says in the Bible that the Jews fled to Africa before being dispersed. We have historical evidence of Jews living in the country after the Romans had already ransacked it. We have historical evidence of the Jews being kept as slaves. We have historical evidence of the Jews still living in Israel. We have historical evidence of Jews in neighboring countries. We have genetic evidence of Jews the world over, whether from European lands, Middle Eastern lands or Far-Eastern lands, being related.

The thing we don't have, is any evidence that black people were ever the "real" nation of Israel. Because that was just a dream that some pastor woke up from about 100 years ago. It's not based on reality or history.

The lies no longer work, the world is waking up. Accept who you truly are.
We do see more antisemitism in the world today, that's true. But I haven't noticed that more people believe that black people were originally Jews. The only people that ever come around here with that are BHI's. If anything, we're seeing that people are moving away from accepting race as a viable marker for anything.
 

Tazarah

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Yes?


In order to understand the legal aspects of the expulsions of Jews from Rome during the first century C.E. we need to know something about the civic status of those Jews. Philo says that the Jews of Rome were mostly slaves who had become Roman citizens after manumission.[10]

This seems to be fairly close to the truth. Jews may have reached Rome as early as the middle of the second century B.C.E.[11]

Whether they arrived there as free peregrini or whether they descended from manumitted slaves who had first reached Rome through the slave markets of the eastern Mediterranean (such as Delos) it is impossible to tell.[12]

After Pompey’s victories of 63 B.C.E. in Syria and Palestine, new Jewish slaves were brought in, this time directly from Palestine. We do not know how many of these prisoners of war actually reached Italy or what percentage of them ended up as slaves in the city of Rome.[13] What is clear, however, is that by the time of their arrival, a Jewish community was already well established in Rome. It must have counted free immigrants among its members as well as the many who were slaves or freedmen.

That a not inconsiderable number of Jews in Rome had become cives Romani by the time of Augustus can be inferred from their participation in the monthly doles;[14] exact figures, however, cannot be given. Not every slave of Jewish origin automatically became a Roman citizen upon manumission, since not all manumissions were formally carried out, that is testamento, vindicta, or censu. Informal manumission led, at least after 19 C.E., to a status inferior to that of the Roman citizen, namely to that of the Junian Latin.[15] Of course, such Latini luniani could become cives Romani, for example by serving in the police or by supplying Rome with corn for a period of time, but once more, it is not clear whether this was common or even whether achieving the status of Roman citizen was considered desirable[16]. Cicero remarks that prisoners of war should be freed after six years of slavery, but this cannot be taken to mean that Jewish (or non-Jewish) slaves were always quick to acquire their freedom.[17]

Roman Policy Towards the Jews | Printed_Matter



Can I get a link to that web page? When I google it, the only hits I get are from antisemitic websites. So would you just mind putting your money where your mouth is and getting me a link to that?

Not of course that I would accuse you of antisemitism.


The problem is, European Jews only make up about 50% of the entire Jewish population. And we share genetic similarities with Jews from all other regions as well. So theory of that one guy aside, the genetics say otherwise.


Wait, who told you that Egyptians were black like sub-Saharan Africans?

Ancient Egyptian race controversy - Wikipedia


I don't know of anywhere where it says in the Bible that the Jews fled to Africa before being dispersed. We have historical evidence of Jews living in the country after the Romans had already ransacked it. We have historical evidence of the Jews being kept as slaves. We have historical evidence of the Jews still living in Israel. We have historical evidence of Jews in neighboring countries. We have genetic evidence of Jews the world over, whether from European lands, Middle Eastern lands or Far-Eastern lands, being related.

The thing we don't have, is any evidence that black people were ever the "real" nation of Israel. Because that was just a dream that some pastor woke up from about 100 years ago. It's not based on reality or history.


We do see more antisemitism in the world today, that's true. But I haven't noticed that more people believe that black people were originally Jews. The only people that ever come around here with that are BHI's. If anything, we're seeing that people are moving away from accepting race as a viable marker for anything.


Who told me that the ancient egyptians were black? Google “King Tut’s throne”. I’ll attach some photos of it too.

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^ that’s king tut’s golden throne that was found in his tomb and is now on display, you can google it yourself. Looks like a black sub saharan african to me, LMAO.

Everything you are saying is BS. The bible says that the jews went into africa, this is a known fact. It says that they fled into africa and were captured by their enemies then sent as captives into all nations. LOL!

I love this!

And yes, your own people admit the truth! You fakes do NOT fit Israelite prophecy, you are a fool if you think that you have anybody other than the brainwashed christians who don’t read the bible deceived with your blasphemy, LOL.

And sure, here is the link to the webpage:

Who are Jews?

It’s all over the internet! Surely you don’t honestly believe that people STILL think that you european khazars who mass converted to judaism are the actual children of Israel!

Your own jewish encyclopedias tell the truth about your people’s origins. Like I said, NONE of you match bible prophecy, and that’s because you all descend from european khazars. This is fact! In your own books and encyclopedias! Enjoy!

LMAOOOOOOO.


DNA research science from Dr. Eran Elhaik (a Jew) and associates at the McKusick-Nathans Institute of Genetic Medicine, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, have confirmed that, “97% of the 17 million of the world’s Jews ARE NOT descendants of Abraham.”

Dr. Dan Graur, a world-famous Jewish geneticist who served on the faculty of Tel Aviv University for 22 years and is now at the University of Houston, smiles at the distress of the Zionists. Dr. Elhaik’s research is, he said, “very honest.” Graur is the recipient of the prestigious Humboldt Award, given to the world’s top biological scientist.

In 2001, genetics research by Dr. Ariella Oppenheim of Hebrew University in Tel Aviv, produced basically the same results as Dr. Elhaik. Oppenheim’s study also found that the Jews origins are in Khazaria, and that they are of Turkic bloodline. She also reported that some Palestinians have the chromosome in their blood indicating they are Cohanim and Israelite.

In 1867, the great Jewish scholar Abraham Harkavy, in “The Jews and Languages of the Slavs,” said that the Jewish Yiddish language came from the Khazars, not the Hebrews.

The 1905 Jewish Encyclopedia Vol. XI p 533, stated that ‘probably 95% of the persons included in these estimates of Jewish populations are Ashkenazim‘.

The Encyclopedia Judaica (1972) records, “Khazars, a national group of general Turkic type, indendendent and sovereign in Eastern Europe between the seventh and tenth centuries C.E. During part of this time the leading Khazaras professed Judaism… In spite of the negligible information of an archaeologica nature, the presence of Jewish groups and the impact of Jewish ideas in Eastern Europe are considerable during the Middle Ages. Groups have been mentioned as migrating to Central Europe from the East often have been referred to as Khazars, thus making it impossible to overlook the possibility that they originated from with the former Khazar Empire.”

The 1973 Jewish Encyclopedia documents that approximately 90% of the world’s so-called Jews are Khazar.

A. N. Poliak, Professor of Medieval Jewish History at Tel Aviv University, says that the majority of Eastern European Jews are Khazar and Japhetic in origin, not Semitic. Immigration statistics indicate approximately 90% of the world’s so-called or self-styled ‘Jews’ living in 42 countries of the world are emigrants of Eastern European Khazar Jews.

In 1976, a prominent Jew named Arthur Koestler published a book called “The Thirteenth Tribe: The Kazar Empire and Its Heritage.” He wrote: “The large majority of Jews after World War II in the world, were of Eastern origin-and thus perhaps mainly of Khazar origin. If so, this would mean that their ancestors came not from the Jordan, but from the Volga; not from the Canaan but from the Caucausus, once believed to be the cradle of the Aryan race. Genetically, they are more closely related to the Hun, Uigur and Magyar tribes than to the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.”

In 2007, University of Tel Aviv history teacher, Schlomo Sand, verified their Turkish-Mongol heritage in his book called “Invention of the Jewish People.” He says that the “Jews are not a race and have no Israelite connection.”

Rabbinical Torah Jews protest the Zionist state of Israel and say that is illegitimate in the eyes of God and that it DOES NOT represent Jews or Judaism. They believe that the Ashkenazi Jews have illegitimately seized the name “Israel” and have no right to speak in the name of the Jewish people!

So how can there be millions of people called Jews in a state called Israel?

Let’s start with the understanding that a person can convert to the religion of Judaism and call themselves a ‘Jew’, even though they’re not an actual descendent of Abraham.

With that in mind, you will be shocked to learn that the newest DNA research science from Dr. Eran Elhaik and associates at the McKusick-Nathans Institute of Genetic Medicine, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, have confirmed that:

97% of the 17 million of the world’s Jews ARE NOT descendants of Abraham.
 

rosends

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OK, so all of this is metaphorical too, right?
Well, I don't know -- you are the one being inconsistent and deciding arbitrarily that certain lines are metaphorical and some are literal. You are the one with the logical problem, not I.
^ those are all metaphorical, right? LMAO. It’s sooo hilarious how literally all of you run off to “sleep” once you get cut with the truth.
Well, in my defense, it was near 11 pm and I had just gotten home from the Mets game and had to be up in the morning. I didn't run, though. I sauntered, while laughing at your logical inconsistency.
Is this also a metaphorical prophecy?

And thou, even thyself, shalt discontinue from thine heritage that I gave thee; and I will cause thee to serve thine enemies in the land which thou knowest not: for ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn FOR EVER.” [Jeremiah 17:4]
I don't know what YOUR position is. You would probably say that since the fire hasn't burned FOR EVER against the Jews, it is literal and excludes them from being the subject of the prophecy. Then, you will apply it to another group and decide it is metaphorical. That seems to be your MO.
Let me guess, Luke 21:24 metaphorical too, right?
No, just useless. Why would you quote the Gospels? If I quoted the book of Mormon to you, would you care? Same thing.
Who else, if not negroes, do each of these prophetic curses apply to? What nation of people other than negroes are forever OPPRESSED and crushed ALWAYS like the scriptures say? What group of people other than negroes have been led captive into ALL nations?
Really? Literally "all nations"? What about, let's say, Lichtenstein. Were "negroes" led as captives into Luxembourg and Monte Carlo? Or does "nations" mean something metaphorical? Or maybe it is "all" which doesn't include principalities. OK, what about The Nation of Ulysses, the Nation of Astria and the Nation of Lights? You did demand "all" nations. Or maybe you mean that less than literally, at least as it applies to "negroes."
Metaphorical or not, WHO can relate to these “metaphorical”, prophetic curses of DEUTERONOMY 28???
I can. Thanks for asking.
You know that you’re full of it and that’s why you pathetically claim that it’s all “metaphorical”.
You know that you have been caught in a logical inconsistency (along with the whole "ships" thing you made up, and the problem with quoting the gospels to people who don't acknowledge their utility) so that's why you keep reposting the same quotes without confronting your error.
Goodnight “sleepyhead”! Trust me when I say that you won’t be giggling anywhere near as hard as I am right now!
Good morning and you are right - I'm not giggling. I'm laughing outright at you.[/QUOTE]
 

Tazarah

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Well, I don't know -- you are the one being inconsistent and deciding arbitrarily that certain lines are metaphorical and some are literal. You are the one with the logical problem, not I.

Well, in my defense, it was near 11 pm and I had just gotten home from the Mets game and had to be up in the morning. I didn't run, though. I sauntered, while laughing at your logical inconsistency.

I don't know what YOUR position is. You would probably say that since the fire hasn't burned FOR EVER against the Jews, it is literal and excludes them from being the subject of the prophecy. Then, you will apply it to another group and decide it is metaphorical. That seems to be your MO.

No, just useless. Why would you quote the Gospels? If I quoted the book of Mormon to you, would you care? Same thing.

Really? Literally "all nations"? What about, let's say, Lichtenstein. Were "negroes" led as captives into Luxembourg and Monte Carlo? Or does "nations" mean something metaphorical? Or maybe it is "all" which doesn't include principalities. OK, what about The Nation of Ulysses, the Nation of Astria and the Nation of Lights? You did demand "all" nations. Or maybe you mean that less than literally, at least as it applies to "negroes."

I can. Thanks for asking.

You know that you have been caught in a logical inconsistency (along with the whole "ships" thing you made up, and the problem with quoting the gospels to people who don't acknowledge their utility) so that's why you keep reposting the same quotes without confronting your error.

Good morning and you are right - I'm not giggling. I'm laughing outright at you.
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Trust me, I’m laughing way harder. Bottom line is nobody except for negroes have fulfilled and can relate to the prophetic curses of deuteronomy 28. It says that the descendants of the Israelites would be oppressed forever, and crushed always. Until the second coming, that is. And it says they would be sent back to egypt (bondage) on ships, and that they would serve their enemies in an unknown land and have yokes of iron put upon their necks. Luke 21:24 specifically is prophecy. And yes, negroes were sent as slaves into ALL nations, look at the picture I am attaching. Show me ANY time in documented history where any nation of people was taken anywhere on ships, served enemies in an unknown land, had their heritage taken from them, had yokes of iron put upon their necks, ETC. You can’t.

Nobody in documented history except for negroes have been led captive into ALL nations.

You say that you can relate to these prophetic curses? Go back to bed, you’re still dreaming.
 

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Tazarah

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Nice to see this devolve in a Khazar argument. It makes clear the agenda and the underlying ignorance. This just turns into another supersessionism argument. Are Russian Jews Descended from the Khazars? Analyzing the Khazar Theory you can read the arguments and the conclusion if you want.

Hey, don’t get mad at me. Their own jewish encyclopedias document them as being khazar in origin and so do their own scholars. All of their own people and sources. Don’t blame me, I’m just a messenger providing the facts. The truth certainly is a hard pill to swallow. I’m not against or trying to be offensive to anybody here — the only thing that I am here to do is dicuss facts and so far that is all I have done. Of course feelings may get hurt during the process, but it is what it is. The truth is the truth.
 

rosends

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Trust me, I’m laughing way harder. Bottom line is nobody except for negroes have fulfilled and can relate to the prophetic curses of deuteronomy 28.
Says you and yet were the "negroes" completely wiped out? Oh, no, that's metaphorical...
It says that the descendants of the Israelites would be oppressed forever, and crushed always.
Yup. Still happening.
Until the second coming, that is.
No such thing
And it says they would be sent back to egypt (bondage) on ships,
I'm still looking for "ships". Where does it say that?
Luke 21:24 specifically is prophecy.
You mean "fiction". YW
And yes, negroes were sent as slaves into ALL nations,
So you are including Luxembourg. Got it.
Sorry that logic defeats your bluster.
 

rosends

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Hey, don’t get mad at me. Their own jewish encyclopedias document them as being khazar in origin and so do their own scholars. All of their own people and sources. Don’t blame me, I’m just a messenger providing the facts. The truth certainly is a hard pill to swallow. I’m not against or trying to be offensive to anybody here — the only thing that I am here to do is dicuss facts and so far that is all I have done. Of course feelings may get hurt during the process, but it is what it is. The truth is the truth.
So I guess you didn't read what the khazaria website says. Sorry it undermines everything you believe, but the truth is the truth.
 

Tazarah

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So I guess you didn't read what the khazaria website says. Sorry it undermines everything you believe, but the truth is the truth.

You are obviously hurt and not wanting to accept the truth, I understand. But all of the facts and scripture are against you. No matter how much you try to twist it and play word games with your facetious rhetoric, the facts remain the same. Usually when people come to the realizitation that they cannot refute the truth, they resort to the same antics that you are currently using. I’m no stranger to this. The facts still remain that only negroes have fulfilled the prophetic curses of deuteronomy 28. They match negroes word for word, past and present. Anybody who denies these irrefutable facts have some personal issues that they need to deal with, because regardless of what you say or how you feel, the facts remain the same.

If you honestly in your heart felt like what I am saying is BS and did not have any truth to it, you would simply blow me off and go on about your business. But no, you are here going back and forth with a simple negro who supposedly has no idea what he is talking about, right? And for what?

Like I said, the truth is not for everybody.
 
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