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Number of times the word "homosexuality" appears in Baha'i scriptures

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
I did that for awhile too, until the mods mentioned it as inappropriate. It is. So although I do find extreme fundamentalism funny in a sense, it's more just plain sad.
Do what I do.
Rate things "rainbow", as in "Eww, that is sooo gay!".
The staff haven't caught on to that abuse of the ratings yet. Have fun while you can.
Tom
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
I did that for awhile too, until the mods mentioned it as inappropriate. It is. So although I do find extreme fundamentalism funny in a sense, it's more just plain sad.
Ah! You've saved me a trip to the mods. :)
But I tell you, every 'tablet' that gets posted up in future is going to get my precis for correction..... you can bet on that.

This flowery waffle hides daggers in its petals.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Do what I do.
Rate things "rainbow", as in "Eww, that is sooo gay!".
The staff haven't caught on to that abuse of the ratings yet. Have fun while you can.
Tom

Good one.
I will use it more often from now on.

I didn't know that the ticky symbols could be modded...... oh well.....
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Good one.
I will use it more often from now on.
Be careful.
According to the political correctness rules, certain words are limited to certain people. The RF staff are nothing if not PC. You may not be allowed to use it the way a card carrying member of the queer community does.

didn't know that the ticky symbols could be modded...... oh well.....
Any other questions about the human situation you need me to explain?
Tom
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
This flowery waffle hides daggers in its petals.

It's hard to see. You've been directly around it for a long time, so you've seen it. The unaware won't. That's why this and other evangelising groups out to change the world (into puppets of themselves) where the unsuspecting are. Places with no internet, isolated, less likely to run into people like you and me, etc. Here in Canada they go to the native reserves, where the culture is totally wrecked from years of history and abuse mostly perpetrated by the Catholic Church. Angry but susceptible people looking for someone to befriend them, and tell them it's all okay, we're different that those evil Catholics. But it's meant to be I guess. How can we learn other than by making our own mistakes?
 

Jim

Nets of Wonder
@adrian009 After my distracting posts, I want to review what I've been saying. I'm still trying to explain why I think it's better not to use the word "homosexuality" in public discussions, to tell people what kinds of behavior we think are prohibited by God. That might raise the question of how else to say it. I gave an example of how to say what I see you saying that you think about it: "I think that in my scriptures God prohibits sexual acts between two women or two men." That's just one possible example of how to say everything you want to say about it, more clearly and directly, than saying "The Baha'i Faith has a prohibition against homosexuality." Even if you say "homosexual acts," that's still less direct and clear than saying "sexual acts between two men or two women," and still sure to be misunderstood in the same way by some people, with the same damaging psychological effects, as I will be trying to explain to you.

Actually I still think that this might be an exercise in futility, but as usual, I might learn something from it, even if no one else does, so I hope you'll continue this with me. That brings me back to the question of whether you believe the stories about people despising themselves, and feeling despised by others and by God, because of their romantic and sexual feelings and impulses towards people of the same sex, even if they obey the sexual prohibitions better than most straight people do? It's okay if you don't believe those stories, but if you don't, it might make a difference in how I try to explain what I'm thinking.
 

Jim

Nets of Wonder
This may or may not be a useful link for some. Full of personal testimony, which I like.

Baha'i meeting on homosexuality - Discussion - LGBTQ Baha'i Story Project
Right on target. Thanks. Not that I'm endorsing all the blaming and shaming of other people, in those stories. The value in those stories for me is for people to see what it does to people to continually hear false messages of condemnation of their romantic and sexual feelings and impulses, even from people with the best intentions, and to think that those condemnations are coming from their scriptures.
 
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oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Be careful.
According to the political correctness rules, certain words are limited to certain people. The RF staff are nothing if not PC. You may not be allowed to use it the way a card carrying member of the queer community does.


Any other questions about the human situation you need me to explain?
Tom

Yeah....... but you're talking bull there, because nobody actually knows who is what.
And by suggesting that groups of folks can do what the general population cannot you would be betraying the very equality that most reasonable people desire.
So..... no....... won't be taking your advice on board there.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
It's hard to see. You've been directly around it for a long time, so you've seen it. The unaware won't. That's why this and other evangelising groups out to change the world (into puppets of themselves) where the unsuspecting are. Places with no internet, isolated, less likely to run into people like you and me, etc. Here in Canada they go to the native reserves, where the culture is totally wrecked from years of history and abuse mostly perpetrated by the Catholic Church. Angry but susceptible people looking for someone to befriend them, and tell them it's all okay, we're different that those evil Catholics. But it's meant to be I guess. How can we learn other than by making our own mistakes?

Please don't remind me of my mistakes. :)
So many hideous, stupid, dumb decisions and actions for so many years. If mistakes were medals I'd be covered in gongs.

But that's the point...... maybe we need to have fallen in order to be able to stand various conditions and situations.

Next time you see a 'tablet' or letter link, try breaking it down sentence by sentence, and quite often you'll find Scotch Mist, or just one sentiment that really did need diplomatic icing.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Seriously?
You don't know that I am queer? @Epic Beard Man is black? @Shadow Wolf is trans?
@Ellen Brown is female?

You know all of this. Stop acting like you haven't noticed. You are not that cishet male. I have noticed.
Tom

Better for you to brush up on your comprehension.

It's that you suggested that because you belong in a minority group that you can do stuff that the general public cannot, and that is rubbish, and an insult to what reasonable folks support.

There's no point in minorities pushing for equality if they then try to build exclusive rights for themselves.

You can stuff that advice.........
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
It's that you suggested that because you belong in a minority group that you can do stuff that the general public cannot, and that is rubbish, and an insult to what reasonable folks support.
Where are these "reasonable folks"?
On a day to day basis, I don't see many of them.
Maybe it's because I live in the USA.
Tom
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Where are these "reasonable folks"?
On a day to day basis, I don't see many of them.
Maybe it's because I live in the USA.
Tom

Maybe.......
But first of all you have to try and be reasonable yourself, or how else can you set any example?

What did you call yourself earlier..... queer?
And you thought that I would automatically know that and how that title relates to you? You've lost the plot. Really.

And you thought that I would know that another member is 'trans'........ don't you know that 'trans' is as individual as each person's finger prints?

Whatever you think, each person's sexuality is individual, and none the exact same.

And to suggest that any groups can in any way have exclusive rights or powers is exactly what reasonable folks who support Equality are trying to reduce.

Amazing........
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
That story describes attempted same-sex gang rape. It takes a pretty twisted sense of morality to say that the problem was the “same-sex” part and not the “gang rape” part.

Yeah...gang raping sodomites. Depravity at its worst. Makes you proud to be a human, doesn't it?

Is sodomy acceptable to the Creator of sex? Was the sacred seed of life that was designed by God to transmit life within his sanctioned arrangement of marriage, to be deposited in a sewer?

All immoral sex is unacceptable to the God who designed us. Sex is a privilege...not a right, and to abuse it to the extent that humans have, IMO deserves any retribution that he decides is appropriate.

Immoral people don't have to answer to us....but they will ultimately answer to their Maker. I believe that...you may choose not to.
 
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