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Printed 3-D Gun Blueprints Now Unavailable Online

Should 3-D printed gun blueprints be legally available online?

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 25.0%
  • No

    Votes: 9 75.0%

  • Total voters
    12

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
Of course, and assault weapons won't cut it.
Did you know that the Trident submarines carry half of the active strategic thermonuclear warheads
of the USA?
Half, okay? If the citizens can control these Tridents it would give them a share of the nuclear arsenal.
All we need to do is nominate which citizens these should be, and somehow gain control of the
submarines and their nuclear codes.
If the government is too strong and won't allow its own citizens to control nuclear weapons and their
delivery systems then the citizens can bring down the government by triggering a nuclear war with
Russia.

I'm doubtful the government/military would want to nuke its own people/civilians, because government officials/military would themselves suffer too many losses. i.e.-loss of property, loss of family members.
 

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
I'm doubtful the government/military would want to nuke its own people/civilians, because government officials/military would themselves suffer too many losses. i.e.-loss of property, loss of family members.

I know. This is all tongue-in-cheek to those who want guns to protect
themselves from democratically elected governments. I just take the
argument to its logical conclusion, ie how can your assault rifle save
you from a government with tanks, F35's, satellites, mortars and nukes?
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
Okay, you can make a bomb and kill, what, a few dozen people max?
A citizen nuke can kill a few hundred thousand.
The American citizen is not going to fight the government without some
sort of nuclear capability. Defending your freedom with a few AR15's
simply won't cut it. The government ALLOWING you to have assault
rifles could simply be a way for them to lull you into a false sense of
freedom. What will you do with your gun when the government sends
in an armored Apache helicopter?

Good point. We the people then should be allowed Manpads or Stinger missiles.
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
I know. This is all tongue-in-cheek to those who want guns to protect
themselves from democratically elected governments. I just take the
argument to its logical conclusion, ie how can your assault rifle save
you from a government with tanks, F35's, satellites, mortars and nukes?

I'm doubtful anybody wants to destroy everything with nukes, but you bring up a valid point about how the citizenry needs greater weapons than assault rifles. We the people should be allowed to have a more powerful arsenal of weapons such as stinger missiles and anti-tank missiles in order to combat a government who wants to take away our constitutional rights.
 

Woberts

The Perfumed Seneschal
I know. This is all tongue-in-cheek to those who want guns to protect
themselves from democratically elected governments. I just take the
argument to its logical conclusion, ie how can your assault rifle save
you from a government with tanks, F35's, satellites, mortars and nukes?
Oh, good. You fooled me for a hot minute.:eek:
 

Audie

Veteran Member
After 1975 my country was host to thousands of refugees fleeing Communism.
Many didn't make it. Large numbers were executed. Some of my friends spent
years in "Re-education camps."
I think about eight million people died in the Communist takeover of Indochina.
Growing up I used to think that one day South Vietnam would be like South
Korea - after '75 it became like North Korea.

If you are a Marxist then certainly you can make the point that South Korea
lives under Imperial aggressors and the North lives in a Workers Paradise.
But by 1975 most South Vietnamese were no longer fooled by the Communists
of the north - Southerners had a saying "Don't listen to what they say, watch what
they do." And that's pretty sad. It's a lesson we ought to learn in watching what
takes place in American campuses today.

Many tried to find refuge in Hong Kong, and were not well
received. Lots in the USA, generally making model
citizens of themselves

I have nothing good to say for either (any) side in that conflict.

The ethnjc Chinese in S Vietnam behaved in a disgraceful
and ultimately self-destructive way. The Americans hadnt a
clue who was who, or did not care.

The Viets, like Filipinos, Cambodians, Malays etc rightly
resent Chinese in their countries, dominating commerce,
isolating thd,mselves from society at large.

The ethnic Chinese behaved badly in s viet, the Vietnamese
when the wheel came 'round behaved worse.

Current regime just wants power but that smart, energetic
people wont stand by forever watching themselves get
left further and further behind, more at the mercy of their
ageold enemy in China.
 

Jumi

Well-Known Member
Just that. I take the whole war as part of Communist containment.
Pure and simple.
America wasn't fighting just Hanoi, it was fighting Maoist China and
Communist Russia.
I don't understand your argument then about Vietcong losing. They were part of the Vietnamese effort to throw out the US and take South Vietnam for North Vietnam.
 

suncowiam

Well-Known Member
Just that. I take the whole war as part of Communist containment.
Pure and simple.
America wasn't fighting just Hanoi, it was fighting Maoist China and
Communist Russia.
The dominoes fell within days or weeks. Cambodia, Laos and Sth
Vietnam. Communism failed in Indonesia and Malaysia. It's still
at it in the Philippines I think.

Yes they were... Many of the armaments came from China and Russia. Russian AK-47s which were actually the better assault rifles in the war, Chinese anti-aircraft...

VCs was mainly North Vietnamese while China actually was the primary force defending North Vietnam and Hanoi. US didn't want to invade North Vietnam because it was really scared of enabling China and Russia more into the war. So it settled for simply defending South Vietnam.
 

Jumi

Well-Known Member
Many tried to find refuge in Hong Kong, and were not well
received. Lots in the USA, generally making model
citizens of themselves
Same in Fin as USA. They have better employment numbers than the natives here, last time I looked.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
@PruePhillip @Shadow Wolf @Audie

If you're curious about the Vietnam war and why the US lost, then I recommend the following documentary from PBS:
The Vietnam War: A film by Ken Burns & Lynn Novick

It is probably the definitive documentary on the war. I enjoyed it...

@PruePhillip
I'm actually one of the Vietnamese political refugees from the 70s. I fled by boat in 1979 and reached America in 1980. Quite a journy... :)

I am glad you msde it.

All the Vietnamese I have known were fine people,
some just plain extraordinary. Thd USA should have
taken more.

I have been at an airport, recently, observing a Viet
family reunite, after who knows how many years.

They keep their composure in public, somehow.

I cant. I offered to take a group photo, so they
could all be in it one time. An older lady saw
my tears, and gave me a look to cherish for a
lifetime.
 

Jumi

Well-Known Member
That is why (we) Asians are often resented. Work too hard.
People value hard workers here, so it sounds strange that someone would be resented for hard work. Though we're getting lazier by the decade.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Should 3-D printed gun blueprints be legally allowed to get downloaded to American citizens from the internet?

"Defense Distributed is an online, open-source organization that develops digital firearms files, or "wiki weapons", that may be downloaded from the Internet and used in 3D printing or CNC milling applications.Among the organization's goals is to develop and freely publish firearms-related design schematics that can be downloaded and reproduced by anyone with a 3D printer or milling machine, facilitating the popular production of ghost guns.

The company is best known for developing and releasing the files for the Liberator, the world's first completely 3D printed gun. On May 5, 2013, Defense Distributed made these printable STL files public,and within days the United States Department of State demanded they be removed from the Internet, citing a violation of the International Traffic in Arms Regulations.

On May 6, 2015, Defense Distributed, joined by the Second Amendment Foundation (SAF), brought suit against the Department of State in the Western District of Texas, which denied its preliminary injunction request. It subsequently appealed to the Fifth Circuit, which affirmed the denial, and then the Supreme Court, which declined to hear the case.

On July 10, 2018 it was announced that Defense Distributed and Second Amendment Foundation had accepted a settlement offer from the Department of State, effectively winning the case and restarting their work. Western Washington District Court Judge Robert S. Lasnik subsequently issued an order suspending the settlement and the public release of Defense Distributed's files. Multiple lawsuits are currently filed by state governments and Defense Distributed seeking to challenge or uphold this settlement."

Reference: Defense Distributed - Wikipedia

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Aren't printed 3-D gun blueprints an expression of free speech, which is a legal individual right that the U.S. Constitution guarantees?
Technically yes. It should be defended as free speech.

However givin the clear mental and bizzare states a lot of people are expressing today , i can see why such measures are considered so it's a call that imo should be handled on a case by case basis.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
@PruePhillip @Shadow Wolf @Audie

If you're curious about the Vietnam war and why the US lost, then I recommend the following documentary from PBS:
The Vietnam War: A film by Ken Burns & Lynn Novick

It is probably the definitive documentary on the war. I enjoyed it...

@PruePhillip
I'm actually one of the Vietnamese political refugees from the 70s. I fled by boat in 1979 and reached America in 1980. Quite a journy... :)
The real reason we lost the war.
We played chess.
They played go.

For the unfamiliar, in go, one has continually supplied pieces, which are often sacrificed.
 
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