Adam and Jesus

[Fool]

So does the Spirit create the form and then enters into the temple, or body at birth?

The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.

Genesis 2:7
And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

 

[Kenny]

So does the Spirit create the form and then enters into the temple, or body at birth?

The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.

Genesis 2:7
And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

IMV, we can't use Adam as an example as the first because he was never born in the normal fashion.

But, yes, sometime within the process of conception. One person said it happens when blood is formed because "the life of God is in the blood".

 

[Fool]

IMV, we can't use Adam as an example as the first because he was never born in the normal fashion.

But, yes, sometime within the process of conception. One person said it happens when blood is formed because "the life of God is in the blood".

god formed the earth from water and then formed adam from the earth. isn't that how babies are formed from water, fluid. humans are mostly 75% water, or fluids.


Water properties: The water in you (Water Science School)

 

[Kenny]

god formed the earth from water and then formed adam from the earth. isn't that how babies are formed from water, fluid. humans are mostly 75% water, or fluids.


Water properties: The water in you (Water Science School)

Yes... but babies are formed by the uniting of the sperm and the egg... Adam wasn't. I guess, ultimately, we won't know since the Bible doesn't specify.

There is room for differences of viewpoints IMO.

 

[whirlingmerc]

So does the Spirit create the form and then enters into the temple, or body at birth?

The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.

Genesis 2:7
And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Depends what sense you mean and who you mean

in Jesus case he existed from eternity and was the son from eternity, but declared with power on earth as son at baptism (like a prince who gets coronated) and even more so at his resurrection

In believers case the adoption happens by faith at the new birth

The verse you said about Mary is nether that concerns the incarnation and is about Jesus though he was God took on an additional nature, a human nature, and humbled himself to become a man as Mary's child - son of God and Mary

 

[Fool]

Yes... but babies are formed by the uniting of the sperm and the egg... Adam wasn't. I guess, ultimately, we won't know since the Bible doesn't specify.

There is room for differences of viewpoints IMO.

there is many ways of expressing a point of view. 10 people can experience the same thing and not describe it exactly the same. unfortunately some become hung up on the delivery at the expense of the message, or some become fixated on the exact verbiage and ignore the experience.


100 cultures could display a copy of the mona lisa and most will not describe it in the same exact terms because they don't even speak the same languages.

confusion through language that is babel

 

[Fool]

Depends what sense you mean and who you mean

in Jesus case he existed from eternity and was the son from eternity, but declared with power on earth as son at baptism (like a prince who gets coronated) and even more so at his resurrection

jesus hasn't existed from eternity. jesus wasn't present when the Lord stood before abraham.


when jesus disciples asked john the baptist are you elijah. he said no. elijah didn't exist at that present moment. the personality, ego, john did. jesus told the disciples later that he was elijah. was is past tense.

both told the truth. john is not elijah. john was elijah. the spirit returns to the one it came from

 

[allfoak]

So does the Spirit create the form and then enters into the templ

The decision to be born when and where happens long before conception.
The Soul nor the Spirit are able to enter into a 3 dimensional space.
We are thought forms with a completely separate consciousness.
We are connected to our Soul by a cord similar to that of an umbilical cord but it is made of a much finer material that cannot be seen by the average person.

 

[Fool]

The decision to be born when and where happens long before conception.
The Soul nor the Spirit are able to enter into a 3 dimensional space.
We are thought forms with a completely separate consciousness.
We are connected to our Soul by a cord similar to that of an umbilical cord but it is made of a much finer material that cannot be seen by the average person.

you're creating a confusion in your post.

you state the soul, nor the spirit, are able to enter into 3 dimensional space. you then contradict yourself and state that we are connected by a "much finer material"

matter, spirit, and mind are all three in one.

it is what the thrice great hermes is.

the all father/mother, the all son, the all spirit. all in all

 

[Thief]

IMV, we can't use Adam as an example as the first because he was never born in the normal fashion.

nay.....Adam is a chosen son of God

he was born of woman

it is Eve that was not born of woman
no navel

 

[Kenny]

nay.....Adam is a chosen son of God

he was born of woman

it is Eve that was not born of woman
no navel

hmmmmmmmmm.......... no

 

[The Anointed]

God created mankind on the sixth day. On the seventh day the earth was barren, no life had survived only seeds from the previous plants that were in the earth, which seeds Jahel [Jah=Lord to the glory of EL=the creator]
Planted in Eden as a garden in which Adam, who he had formed from the earth, was placed as a caretaker to that garden.

Which came first, the seeds or the plants that produce seeds?

 

[allfoak]

you're creating a confusion in your post.

you state the soul, nor the spirit, are able to enter into 3 dimensional space. you then contradict yourself and state that we are connected by a "much finer material"

matter, spirit, and mind are all three in one.

it is what the thrice great hermes is.

the all father/mother, the all son, the all spirit. all in all

It is just a misunderstanding. Connected does not mean entered into.
An eternal being cannot enter into a 3 dimensional space.

 

[Fool]

It is just a misunderstanding. Connected does not mean entered into.
An eternal being cannot enter into a 3 dimensional space.

finer and coarser doesn't make it non-material, or not matter. you're implying that matter is the effect of something. its form is the effect. matter is eternal. its form isn't. there is the formless, the heavenly form and the earthly form.


there is the causal body, the subtle body, and the gross body in hinduism.

the causal body is It is nirvikalpa rupam, "undifferentiated form"


Her. Matter both has been born, O son, and it has been [before it came into existence]; for Matter is the vase of genesis, 1 and genesis, the mode of energy of God, who’s free from all necessity of genesis, and pre-exists.

The unborn state 1 of Matter, then, was formlessness 2; its genesis is its being brought into activity.


footnote:

27:2 ἀμορφία. Compare this with the Christian Gnostic commentator of the Naassene Document, quoted by Hippolytus (Philos. v. 7), and the comment of Hippolytus on him: “Their first and Blessed Formless Essence (ἀσχημάτιστος οὐσία), the cause of all forms” (“Myth of Man,” § 7).

 

[Fool]

God created mankind on the sixth day. On the seventh day the earth was barren, no life had survived only seeds from the previous plants that were in the earth, which seeds Jahel [Jah=Lord to the glory of EL=the creator]
Planted in Eden as a garden in which Adam, who he had formed from the earth, was placed as a caretaker to that garden.

Which came first, the seeds or the plants that produce seeds?

and the seeds/stars of the kingdom were cast out into darkness where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

the harvest has begun the rent has come due.. the seventh day is risen time to take into account those who destroy the earth.

Rev 8:1 KJV And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was rest/silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

The Fifth Root Race - In Ascendancy

Studies in Occult Philosophy, Purucker, Q & A (#6)

And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which tricks the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Blue Star Kachina
And this is the Ninth and Last Sign: You will hear of a dwelling-place in the heavens, above the earth, that shall fall with a great crash. It will appear as a blue star. Very soon after this, the ceremonies of my people will cease.

The late Robert Ghost Wolf, of mixed Hopi, Iroquois, and Lakota descent, speaks about star prophecy in relation to the conclusion of GaiaÃs current cycle:

"The story of the Blue Kachina is an old story, very old. I have been aware of the story of the Blue Kachina since I was very young. I was told this story by grandfathers who are now between 80 and 108 years of age. It was told to me that the first Blue Kachina would be seen at the dances, and would make his appearance known to the children in the plaza during the night dance. The event would tell us that the end times are very near. The Blue Star Kachina would physically appear in our heavens which would mean that we are in the end times."
[http://www.wolflodge.org/bluestar/bluestar.htm]

According to Dr. Ghost Wolf, this katsina is also known as Nanga Sohu, or Chasing Star Katsina. The Hopi word nanga means "to pursue" and sohu means "star." Sometimes this katsina refers to Venus because its morning and evening appearances seem to chase each other.

 

[The Anointed]

Many Native American, Mayan, and Hopi prophecies speak of a great comet heralding the end of this age and the beginning of the time when "star beings" will return to set things right on this world.

In 2005, a large object beyond Pluto was observed in the Kuiper belt.

A few astronomers think that there might be another planet or companion star orbiting the Sun far beyond the orbit of Pluto. This distant planet/companion star may or may not exist. The hypothesized origin of this hypothetical object is that a celestial object, perhaps a hard-to-detect cool, brown dwarf star (called Nemesis), was captured by the Sun's gravitational field. This planet is hypothesized to exist because of the unexplained clumping of some long-period comet's orbits. The orbits of these far-reaching comets seem to be affected by the gravitational pull of a distant, Sun-orbiting object.

After the seventh day, the Great Sabbath of one thousand years, The Lord's Day, which is the future reality of the weekly Sabbath, fire will come down from heaven and incinerate all physical life forms on this planet and like Mars, the Land of Nod, there will be no more oceans on this earth.

Zephaniah 1: 2-3; The Lord said, “I am going to destroy everything on earth. All human beings and animals, birds, and fish. I will bring about the down fall of the wicked. I will destroy all mankind, and no survivors will be left. I, the Lord, have spoken.

!8; “On the day when the Lord shows his fury, not even all their silver and gold will save them. The whole earth will be destroyed by the fire of his anger. He will put an end---a sudden end---to everyone who live on earth.

Enoch was the only man ever to have ascended to the very throne of the MOST HIGH in the creation, where he was anointed as his heir and successor, and translated in order that he should never have to experience death.

From the Book of Enoch the prophet 108: 11-13; “And now I will summons the spirits of the good who belong to the generation of light, and I will transform those who were born in darkness, who, in the flesh were not recompensed with such honour as their faithfulness deserved. And I will bring forth in shining light those who have loved My holy name and I will seat each one on the throne of his honour. And they shall be resplendent for times without number.”

We shall not all fall asleep in death said Paul, but at the sound of the last trumpet we shall be changed in a moment in the twinkling of an eye, from bodies of corruptible matter into Glorious and incorruptible bodies of brilliant and blinding light.
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Dictionary of all Scriptures and Myths.
The Kabbala decribes four Adams, the two highest of which, are celestial and spiritual. “The third Adam is the terrestrial Adam made of dust, and placed in the Garden of Eden. This Adam is also an androgene—it had, when first created, a glorious simulacrum or light body, and answers to the Yetzecratic World.” Ibid., p. 418. The fourth Adam was the third Adam as he was after the Fall, when he was clothed with skin, flesh, nerves etc. This answers to the lower Nephesh and Guff, i.e. body, united. He has the animal power of reproduction and continuance of species, and also answers to the Aseeyatic World, but in him is some of the light of all the preceding Adams.” Ibid., p. 418.

 

[Thief]

hmmmmmmmmm.......... no

oh yeah

as written

 

[Fool]

i was sleeping. the storm woke me up. now to silence the tempest.

Many Native American, Mayan, and Hopi prophecies speak of a great comet heralding the end of this age and the beginning of the time when "star beings" will return to set things right on this world.

In 2005, a large object beyond Pluto was observed in the Kuiper belt.

A few astronomers think that there might be another planet or companion star orbiting the Sun far beyond the orbit of Pluto. This distant planet/companion star may or may not exist. The hypothesized origin of this hypothetical object is that a celestial object, perhaps a hard-to-detect cool, brown dwarf star (called Nemesis), was captured by the Sun's gravitational field. This planet is hypothesized to exist because of the unexplained clumping of some long-period comet's orbits. The orbits of these far-reaching comets seem to be affected by the gravitational pull of a distant, Sun-orbiting object.

After the seventh day, the Great Sabbath of one thousand years, The Lord's Day, which is the future reality of the weekly Sabbath, fire will come down from heaven and incinerate all physical life forms on this planet and like Mars, the Land of Nod, there will be no more oceans on this earth.

Zephaniah 1: 2-3; The Lord said, “I am going to destroy everything on earth. All human beings and animals, birds, and fish. I will bring about the down fall of the wicked. I will destroy all mankind, and no survivors will be left. I, the Lord, have spoken.

!8; “On the day when the Lord shows his fury, not even all their silver and gold will save them. The whole earth will be destroyed by the fire of his anger. He will put an end---a sudden end---to everyone who live on earth.

Enoch was the only man ever to have ascended to the very throne of the MOST HIGH in the creation, where he was anointed as his heir and successor, and translated in order that he should never have to experience death.

From the Book of Enoch the prophet 108: 11-13; “And now I will summons the spirits of the good who belong to the generation of light, and I will transform those who were born in darkness, who, in the flesh were not recompensed with such honour as their faithfulness deserved. And I will bring forth in shining light those who have loved My holy name and I will seat each one on the throne of his honour. And they shall be resplendent for times without number.”

We shall not all fall asleep in death said Paul, but at the sound of the last trumpet we shall be changed in a moment in the twinkling of an eye, from bodies of corruptible matter into Glorious and incorruptible bodies of brilliant and blinding light.
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Dictionary of all Scriptures and Myths.
The Kabbala decribes four Adams, the two highest of which, are celestial and spiritual. “The third Adam is the terrestrial Adam made of dust, and placed in the Garden of Eden. This Adam is also an androgene—it had, when first created, a glorious simulacrum or light body, and answers to the Yetzecratic World.” Ibid., p. 418. The fourth Adam was the third Adam as he was after the Fall, when he was clothed with skin, flesh, nerves etc. This answers to the lower Nephesh and Guff, i.e. body, united. He has the animal power of reproduction and continuance of species, and also answers to the Aseeyatic World, but in him is some of the light of all the preceding Adams.” Ibid., p. 418.

i saw the destroying angel fall like lightening

Rev 12:12 KJV Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the Lord is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

 

[Sleeppy]

e=mc²..

Major clue.

 

[allfoak]

finer and coarser doesn't make it non-material, or not matter. you're implying that matter is the effect of something. its form is the effect. matter is eternal. its form isn't. there is the formless, the heavenly form and the earthly form.


there is the causal body, the subtle body, and the gross body in hinduism.

the causal body is It is nirvikalpa rupam, "undifferentiated form"


Her. Matter both has been born, O son, and it has been [before it came into existence]; for Matter is the vase of genesis, 1 and genesis, the mode of energy of God, who’s free from all necessity of genesis, and pre-exists.

The unborn state 1 of Matter, then, was formlessness 2; its genesis is its being brought into activity.


footnote:

27:2 ἀμορφία. Compare this with the Christian Gnostic commentator of the Naassene Document, quoted by Hippolytus (Philos. v. 7), and the comment of Hippolytus on him: “Their first and Blessed Formless Essence (ἀσχημάτιστος οὐσία), the cause of all forms” (“Myth of Man,” § 7).

Its fine.
Its just a misunderstanding.
Difficult subject.
Sometimes one's experience can be difficult to convey.