Works aren't necessary for salvation, in fact, you are not supposed to be doing "works", at all

[metis]

If they aren't separate things, then how do works, save ?

By themselves, they don't. But if one has faith, then one should very much want to do what their faith entails, and in the case of Christianity, if it's not a lifestyle then maybe the faith ain't there or is very weak.

IOW, it's a lot more than walking into a building on Sunday, singing a few songs, saying a few prayers, and then going home as if one just went through some type of washing machine. As one of the priests at our church used to say, "Joe thought he was going to heaven for what he did on Sunday, but he went to hell for what he did on Monday".

 

[Faithofchristian]

Same word used, 'works'.

So, what are you saying?

Your calling yourself "Disciple of Jesus"
And your asking me what I am saying.
I think you need to rethink that one.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Works means the previous law, that was revised and changed, sometimes abolished, altogether.

Works, are what you are not supposed to be doing, not what you should be doing.

Good luck.

Regards Tony

 

[Desert Snake]

Your calling yourself "Disciple of Jesus"
And your asking me what I am saying.
I think you need to rethink that one.

The word is the same. 'Works'. There is no reason to follow your peculiar interpretation, of what that might mean, verse by verse.

 

[lukethethird]

Works means the previous law, that was revised and changed, sometimes abolished, altogether.

Works, are what you are not supposed to be doing, not what you should be doing.

I'm all for that, I think.

 

[Faithofchristian]

The word is the same. 'Works'. There is no reason to follow your peculiar interpretation, of what that might mean, verse by verse.

It might be the same word, but it has two different meaning.You don't know this and you call yourself a "disciple of Jesus"
Now what's wrong with that picture.

 

[Desert Snake]

It might be the same word, but it has two different meaning.You don't know this and you call yourself a "disciple of Jesus"
Now what's wrong with that picture.

That's vague, If it was clear, you would just answer the question.

 

[Faithofchristian]

That's vague, If it was clear, you would just answer the question.

You call yourself( a disciple of Jesus) but yet you don't know the simplest things in the Bible. Why ask me, your a disciple of Jesus.
I laid it all out, if you didn't read it, that's no one's fault but your own.

 

[Milton Platt]

Works means the previous law, that was revised and changed, sometimes abolished, altogether.

Works, are what you are not supposed to be doing, not what you should be doing.

I'm not a Christian, but the tag line caught my attention.
If you aren't supposed to do any works, then why does the Bible say "faith without works is dead"?

 

[Faithofchristian]

I'm not a Christian, but the tag line caught my attention.
If you aren't supposed to do any works, then why does the Bible say "faith without works is dead"?

Now that's Amazing, that you know more about the Bible than those who call themselves Christians do.

 

[Milton Platt]

Now that's Amazing, that you know more about the Bible than those who call themselves Christians do.

Thank you, but not only is in not amazing, it is downright easy.

 

[Desert Snake]

Romans 4:2
Justified not from works
Romans 4:4
Works not reckoned of grace
Romans 4:5
No works required [very clear

 

[Desert Snake]

You call yourself( a disciple of Jesus) but yet you don't know the simplest things in the Bible. Why ask me, your a disciple of Jesus.
I laid it all out, if you didn't read it, that's no one's fault but your own.

You're practicing a different religion. It's called Christianity, but there is no 'obligation', that comes with belief.
Romans 4:6
Righteousness without works
Romans 5:15
Free gift[understand what that means?
Romans 4:9-10
Romans 3:27
Not by works, or law, [that's pretty plain

 

[Desert Snake]

I'm not a Christian,

Neither am I.

but the tag line caught my attention.
If you aren't supposed to do any works, then why does the Bible say "faith without works is dead"?

It's wrong? Added epistle? Why are you asking me?

 

[Milton Platt]

Neither am I.


It's wrong? Added epistle? Why are you asking me?

Because you said that works was not needed?

What is your evidence that the passage is in error?

Isn't your screen name "Disciple of Jesus"?

 

[Desert Snake]

Because you said that works was not needed?

What is your evidence that the passage is in error?

Isn't your screen name "Disciple of Jesus"?

Jesus compiled the standardized Bible?

Ok, using the whole Bible, you either have a contradiction, or, the passages in the book of James, don't mean what you think they mean. However, if we are going off of Bible standards, the inference would be, that works do not save.

So, I guess you can ignore the other text, that's up to you.

Belief=saves

Works without belief=doesn't save

So, going by what you have to presume, belief saves, and the works part, varies.
Because the works part, varies, [even has different meanings,
Then belief saves, works do not, the rest is variable.

 

[Milton Platt]

Jesus compiled the standardized Bible?

Ok, using the whole Bible, you either have a contradiction, or, the passages in the book of James, don't mean what you think they mean. However, if we are going off of Bible standards, the inference would be, that works do not save.

So, I guess you can ignore the other text, that's up to you.

I was asking a simple question about a particular passage. The stories in the Bible were compiled by Englishmen from the then known manuscripts for their own purposes. What I want to know is how you can determine that the phrase "faith without works is dead" is incorrect?

 

[Desert Snake]

I was asking a simple question about a particular passage. The stories in the Bible were compiled by Englishmen from the then known manuscripts for their own purposes. What I want to know is how you can determine that the phrase "faith without works is dead" is incorrect?

Presuming the meaning there, is works, not inherent, to belief. [That's sketchy, however, whatever...
Because John 3:36
No works mentioned
Romans 3:27
Pretty clear
•in other words, aside from the fact that obligation with beliefs[bizarre, subjective, weird
Not a free gift, etc
The other text says otherwise.

The James text, verses are contextual, anyway, it seems

In other words salvation , not the same thing, as pertaining to works.

 

[Milton Platt]

Presuming the meaning there, is works, not inherent, to belief. [That's sketchy, however, whatever...
Because John 3:36
No works mentioned
Romans 3:27
Pretty clear
•in other words, aside from the fact that obligation with beliefs[bizarre, subjective, weird
Not a free gift, etc
The other text says otherwise.

The James text, verses are contextual, anyway, it seems

These are just all independent stories written by different people. What I am looking for is a way to determine that the person who wrote those words is not the person who wrote the story. Otherwise, you are just choosing to believe the stuff you choose to believe.
Listen, I don't care if there isn't a scrap of truth to the whole Bible. I'm just wondering how you decided the person did not write those words.

 

[Desert Snake]

Note that my thread, "The Sacrifice is conditional", isn't about works.