What John 10:34 really means... Jesus isn't calling anyone, 'gods'.

[Deeje]

Then why do you use the name, God.

"God" isn't a name. You seem stuck on this word. It is a title describing a position or status....deserved or not.

Gods have names...even false ones. The true God also has a name identifying him and separating him from false gods and those to whom it applies in a descriptive sense, like the judges in Israel who had divine authority.

You just said that that word, in Hebrew, isn't exclusive, in meaning.

Apparently you have problems understanding simple terminology.
The word "god" can be used of those who are not the true God because it isn't an exclusive word that describes Jehovah in any language.

In Greek, "theos" simply means one who is divinely powerful or given authority by one greater in divine power. Why is that concept difficult for you?

...what? You just used the word (hebrew word, presumably, that you are associating with non specificity, that you are claiming isn't specific, then went to a specific, [supposedly, title. So, which is it? The general word, or the title?

I believe that you need to alter your perception of the word. Some research may help you to move past your current mindset perhaps.....

 

[Faithofchristian]

The problem, there, is that Jesus said the very same people, were of Satan.

So, is Jesus, contradicting Himself?

So you say, where is that written at.

 

[Fool]

John 10:33
John 10:34
Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
[KJV]

Jesus isn't calling anyone, 'gods', as many teach.
Jesus is showing, their hypocrisy, because, they didn't care, when they were 'called' 'gods'.


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jesus is quoting asaph from psalms. 82:6. asaph was a former incarnation

obviously they didn't believe/think they were gods.

 

[Neuropteron]

John 10:33
John 10:34
Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
[KJV]

Jesus isn't calling anyone, 'gods', as many teach.
Jesus is showing, their hypocrisy, because, they didn't care, when they were 'called' 'gods'.


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Jesus was quoting from Psalm 82:6 which states: I myself have said "you are Gods" and all of you are sons of the most high.
So yes he was saying since men are called "Gods" and he was asking why are you saying I am blaspheming by saying I am God's son, if even men are called God's ?

We have to keep in mind that the word God is a title meaning "powerful one" and can be applied to anyone.

 

[Faithofchristian]

John 10:34--"Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods"

What Jesus is doing, is quoting
Psalms 82:6--" I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High"

There are many people who seem to have trouble with this.

Let's for say, your father's name is Rick,
So if I say to you, you are Rick's,
What is that telling you.

It's telling you, you belong to Rick, your Rick's children.
Quite easy and simple.

 

[Desert Snake]

jesus is quoting asaph from psalms. 82:6. asaph was a former incarnation

obviously they didn't believe/think they were gods.

Actually, you don't know that. However, really has nothing to do with the premise, anyway.

 

[Desert Snake]

We have to keep in mind that the word God is a title meaning "powerful one" and can be applied to anyone.

So far, no good verses to actually support that argument.
False gods
The god Thor
As a god
Godlike
Other gods

None of those are 'God'.

 

[Fool]

Actually, you don't know that. However, really has nothing to do with the premise, anyway.

i know what psalms 82 states.

the first line speaks of gods standing in the assembly of the almighty, or el.

the second verse speaks of the persons of that assembly.

the third and fourth verses speaks of defending the disenfranchised and victimized.

the fifth verse talks about them wandering in darkness like lost souls.

the 6th verse tells them that they are god and the offspring of the most high.

the 7th verse tells them that they will die like humans.

the 8th and final verse tells you how they will be judged by their love.


god is realized at the 8th octave, rev 8:1


And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

 

[Fool]

So, Jesus had the verse right, and it has been misinterpreted, by others?

jesus quoted the verse as it is written.


I said, "You are angelic creatures, and all of you are angels of the Most High."

Jesus had the verse wrong?

quoting a verse doesn't make the quoter right/wrong.

Jesus had the verse right, and the Pharisees had the verse wrong?

the pharisees believed he was wrong, blasphemed, to claim he was the son of god. but malachi had done the same; so had many others.

In other words, you are assuming, that everyone had your interpretation?

au contraire

So, you don't really know, if they thought they were gods.

i know what the verse states and that the pharisees claimed their inheritance through the flesh and lineage of "their" fathers. flesh is born of flesh.

 

[iam1me]

You are trying to do mental gymnastics to get away from the fact that the Jewish People are called gods - and it sounds like you are having a muscle spasm Always stretch!

 

[Deeje]

Then why are you using it, as a name.

Then why aren't you using that name, whatever the name of your entity, is, to describe your entity.

Then why are you using the name God, to exclusively refer to JHVH.

You aren't following your own usage of the words. Concerning the word, theos, that is entirely your problem.


Since you have so many problems with the 'word', god, you probably shouldn't be using it at all.

I give up.....

 

[12jtartar]

John 10:33
John 10:34
Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
[KJV]

Jesus isn't calling anyone, 'gods', as many teach.
Jesus is showing, their hypocrisy, because, they didn't care, when they were 'called' 'gods'.


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Disciple of Jesus,
In the days that the Israelites were in the wilderness, and for some time after that, the people who were put in charge of ruling over the people, were, at times called gods, because they actually had the people’s lives in their hands, because they could judge a person worthy of death, Psalms 82:1,6,7. This is why Jesus could say, in John 10:34, is it not written in your law, I said you are gods.
Jesus was trying to point out how illogical it was to claim the Jesus said that he was God’s son, and that made him claim to be God. Jesus was pointing out that the leaders in the past were actually called gods, then why was he wrong when saying that he was God’s son.
Another point showing that to claim that we are God’s sons was accepted, Acts 17:28,29.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Disciple of Jesus,
In the days that the Israelites were in the wilderness, and for some time after that, the people who were put in charge of ruling over the people, were, at times called gods, because they actually had the people’s lives in their hands, because they could judge a person worthy of death, Psalms 82:1,6,7. This is why Jesus could say, in John 10:34, is it not written in your law, I said you are gods.
Jesus was trying to point out how illogical it was to claim the Jesus said that he was God’s son, and that made him claim to be God. Jesus was pointing out that the leaders in the past were actually called gods, then why was he wrong when saying that he was God’s son.
Another point showing that to claim that we are God’s sons was accepted, Acts 17:28,29.

Wrong, that is not what Jesus is saying or in reference to.

John 10:34--"Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, You are gods"

Psalms 82:2--"I have said, You are gods; and all of you are children of the most High"

Let's for say your father's name is John,
And I say, you are John's, that being you are the child of John's.

Therefore when Jesus said, you are God's
Being we are the children of God's.

 

[Desert Snake]

Wrong, that is not what Jesus is saying or in reference to.

John 10:34--"Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, You are gods"

Psalms 82:2--"I have said, You are gods; and all of you are children of the most High"

Let's for say your father's name is John,
And I say, you are John's, that being you are the child of John's.

Therefore when Jesus said, you are God's
Being we are the children of God's.

That's true, that one could say that, in some context. But does it make sense, in this context.

 

[Desert Snake]

Jesus was pointing out that the leaders in the past were actually called gods, then why was he wrong when saying that he was God’s son.
Another point showing that to claim that we are God’s sons was accepted, Acts 17:28,29.

Saying that someone may have been called 'g-ds', Psalms, is different from directly stating that the people that Jesus was talking to, are 'gods'.

 

[Fool]

Saying that someone may have been called 'g-ds', Psalms, is different from directly stating that the people that Jesus was talking to, are 'gods'.

the word "may" is not used and furthermore we know he did quote psalms 82:6; unless your insinuating the bible is errant.

the verse 10:33, before it states:

33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

he obviously didn't deny that he was god; in fact, he reinforced it with the verse. otherwise it would nullify the word that the jews lived by. that is why verse 10:35 is next and states

35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

 

[Desert Snake]

the word "may" is not used and furthermore we know he did quote psalms 82:6; unless your insinuating the bible is errant.

the verse 10:33, before it states:

33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

he obviously didn't deny that he was god; in fact, he reinforced it with the verse. otherwise it would nullify the word that the jews lived by. that is why verse 10:35 is next and states

35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

Have you changed your argument? Read the tea leaves? Because, you said earlier, it wasn't people, who were called gods, right? Or, you didn't mean that?

 

[Fool]

Have you changed your argument? Read the tea leaves? Because, you said earlier, it wasn't people, who were called gods, right? Or, you didn't mean that?

no, i said the opposite. people are gods. the people were incensed that jesus was calling himself a god, or spiritual offspring of god. malachi had done as much.

spiritual offspring:
Malachi 2:
10 Do we not all have one Father? Did not one God create us?

fleshly offspring
Why do we profane the covenant of our ancestors by being unfaithful to one another?

 

[Desert Snake]

obviously they didn't believe/think they were gods.

You understand how saying this,

no, i said the opposite. people are gods. the people were incensed that jesus was calling himself a god, or spiritual offspring of god. malachi had done as much.

spiritual offspring:
Malachi 2:
10 Do we not all have one Father? Did not one God create us?

fleshly offspring
Why do we profane the covenant of our ancestors by being unfaithful to one another?

Makes your argument, not very clear. But, ok.

 

[Fool]

You understand how saying this,

they were stoning him for the claim about himself; which implied everyone was when he used the quote and the name.

the name from exodus 3:14 implies that it will be as in genesis 1, god said let there be and I AM