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Pennsylvania predator Priests

Riders

Well-Known Member
1: Just consider the following. Someone wrote the Bible. Maybe the Catholic Church has a little connection with the Bible.
2: The Bible has quite a few quotes implying "sending certain humans [also gay] to hell"
3: Killing is bad. Sending to hell is worse. This I call "emotional blackmail" and personal I categorize it under "Voodoo, black magic"

So in my humble opinion, the Catholic Church is definitely at fault here. Unless you can prove that the Bible has nothing to do with the Catholic Church.
[Remember the saying "tell me your company, I tell you who you are". Company of a gay person in this context is the Catholic Church]


Oh no I agree a hundred percent, this is why i was asking what can the church do about it, why are not they screening priests, and firing them?

I am just saying the rule of the Catholic church which states you have to be going without sex , going without sex has nothing to do with child molestation. Sex has nothing to do with child molestation,

Its not sex, its abuse.Child molesters, and every psychologist ill tell you this, get off on abuse and power and controling the situation.

Molestation, it would be like saying Rape and sex are one in the same, rape is not sex either. Sex is something that is enjoyed by 2 consenting adults period.

So I agree, its the Catholic churches fault, but not their fault by making the Priest go without sex, they also have the choice of not being a Priest and I actually have seen on the news,I think where some Priests are even getting married, I thought I have even heard that the past year.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
So I agree, its the Catholic churches fault, but not their fault by making the Priest go without sex, they also have the choice of not being a Priest

These 2 cannot be separated. The Catholic Church says "Priest should have no sex" + "Gay sex then you go to hell". The CC gives the priest a poisonous package deal.

The priest being homosexual abused as kid by CC priest has no choice anymore. In this case it's the fault of the CC to "make the Priest go without sex", because of CC trauma
 

Jumi

Well-Known Member
Christianity existed long before Catholicism and there are a significant number other Christ variation churches that probably outnumber catholics. Protestant for example.
Actually Catholicism accounts for more than 50% of Christians. Protestants are somewhere around 30-40% I think.
 

Riders

Well-Known Member
These 2 cannot be separated. The Catholic Church says "Priest should have no sex" + "Gay sex then you go to hell". The CC gives the priest a poisonous package deal.

The priest being homosexual abused as kid by CC priest has no choice anymore. In this case it's the fault of the CC to "make the Priest go without sex", because of CC trauma


If you think sex is the same thing as child molestation you need to see a psychiatrist, if you think gay sex is the same as child molestation your sick.

If it were the case which its not it would be way way way way way way way way way way way easier to see a gigolo, or find a an adult partner, so that makes no sense. There's lots of people who never have sex,it is not a big deal.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
If you think sex is the same thing as child molestation you need to see a psychiatrist, if you think gay sex is the same as child molestation your sick.

If it were the case which its not it would be way way way way way way way way way way way easier to see a gigolo, or find a an adult partner, so that makes no sense. There's lots of people who never have sex,it is not a big deal.

You are misinterpreting my reply. You are using "Ad hominem attack"
 

Riders

Well-Known Member
Anyways changing the subject what kind of an affect will this have on Catholic church attendance, and it will it have any affect on church attendance in other denominations?
 

Riders

Well-Known Member
You are misinterpreting my reply. You are using "Ad hominem attack"


I don't know what you mean then, sense making priests go without sex has nothing to do with this thread, I don't know why your talking about it. I am not talking about having to go without sex.What does that have to do with anything? It has nothing to do with child molestation...........
 

Riders

Well-Known Member
These 2 cannot be separated. The Catholic Church says "Priest should have no sex" + "Gay sex then you go to hell". The CC gives the priest a poisonous package deal.

The priest being homosexual abused as kid by CC priest has no choice anymore. In this case it's the fault of the CC to "make the Priest go without sex", because of CC trauma

What does this have to do with child molestation? Nothing.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Teach your kids about personal space, touching is wrong, against the law, and if there is any hint of anybody going too far, call the cops, call the cops, and then call the cops again. Why wasn't this done? Are people that naive? Anyone can call the legal authorities and that includes the pope. These folks need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. People in positions of power like this should never be put in any position whatsoever where the power can be used inappropriately. Totally start from a position of distrust, not one of trust, because he's a man of God.
 

Frog

Cult of Kek.
Sure but there is still many predators a lot in other churches. It has nothing to do with the fact that its Catholic and Catholic Priests can't have sex. Child molestation is not sexual pleasure, if it were it would be actually healthy.

Its about power and control and abuse.
The single strongest desire in humans is sexual gratification. I don't believe power has anything to do with it. I think its weakness.
 

Riders

Well-Known Member
The single strongest desire in humans is sexual gratification. I don't believe power has anything to do with it. I think its weakness.

Child molestation is not sex so what are you talking about?They don't get sexual gratification from it.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
But if its true why not just have an affair with a consenting adult be it man or woman have a sin instead of a crime against children?

Why not sheep, or a lamp post? Child molssters
are attracted to children, not women. Or men.
Or sheep.
 

Riders

Well-Known Member
What indeed. You need to understand this issue
a little better before you pontificate.

Sexual gratification is exactly what it is about.

So child molestation is sex and sexual sexy? OMG every psychologist I have seen says it as nothing to do with sex, its very sick to think it does.

Child molestation is not sex, sex is good touch molestation is bad touch. I was molested its a very very bad thing and I am not debating this thread from the idea that it it equates to sex.

Having to go without sex has nothing to do with this conversation and the next time I hear it I will drop out.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
So child molestation is sex and sexual sexy? OMG every psychologist I have seen says it as nothing to do with sex, its very sick to think it does.

Child molestation is not sex, sex is good touch molestation is bad touch. I was molested its a very very bad thing and I am not debating this thread from the idea that it it equates to sex.

Having to go without sex has nothing to do with this conversation and the next time I hear it I will drop out.


Whatevs. Didnt guess this was such a emotional issue.
 

sealchan

Well-Known Member
Theres over 300 priests going to court for lawsuit or the Catholic church is because they have molested over 1000s of kids.

What has been going on in the Catholic church for this to happen? Is the church taking responsibility for this behavior? What is the Pope going to do about this?

is this contributing to people dropping out of church or the destruction of Christianity?

Yah, I wonder whether those who find themselves preferring children sexually didn't self-select to have a career as a Catholic priest...how many moved to that area? How many had to worry about moving at all? That would make an interesting study...

Did pedophilia in the church produce its own weather? Did the sexual abuse tend to create more people who might then have been molded into abusers and later thought of the church as an initiation as much as a violation?

Was Philadelphia's Catholic Church the capitol for pedophilia within the church or is it just the tip of an iceberg so large we still can't see it?
 

leroy

Well-Known Member
Theres over 300 priests going to court for lawsuit or the Catholic church is because they have molested over 1000s of kids.

What has been going on in the Catholic church for this to happen? Is the church taking responsibility for this behavior? What is the Pope going to do about this?

is this contributing to people dropping out of church or the destruction of Christianity?
Just to be clear. Are you saying that molesting children is objectively wrong? ….Why?
 

sealchan

Well-Known Member
Whatevs. Didnt guess this was such a emotional issue.

How could one not see this as a highly emotional issue?

Human sexuality is deeply tied to ones sense of worth and having an authority figure pressure you into sex and then to remain silent when that person is a representative of God is a most heinous type of rape.
 
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